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chicken · 12 March 2009, 07:13 PM

Hello everyone. I'm new to the forum so apologies if this has already been covered elsewhere.

I'm saving up for my first Rolex and keep changing my mind between the GMT IIc, Yacht Master, or Explorer II. There's elements of all of them that I like and my prioritisation of them changes almost daily.

I've read that the newer Explorer II has the better mechanism (parachrome?) than the old one but is there going to be an update to the model this year? If so, what changes do you think this would entail?

Ta very muchly.

Chicken

Singslinger · 12 March 2009, 07:17 PM

Most of the rumours about a new model to be unveiled at Basel later this month are focused on the Submariner (ceramic bezel, updated bracelet, larger size) and not the Exp 2.

Still, I for one would like to see the Exp 2 updated and revamped; also, after last year's Deepsea (shockingly large and thick), I think anything's possible.

PS Welcome aboard!

Psmith · 12 March 2009, 09:48 PM

Hi and welcome...

The Exp II has the 3186 movement (with Parachrom hairspring) as also found in the GMT IIc

If & when the Exp II is changed, it will keep the same movement regardless of what else Rolex do to it (which will of course entail a hefty price hike)

Good luck

Cheers

train-time · 12 March 2009, 10:02 PM

Welcome! Everybody is right, the Sub seems to be the next candidate. They generally do one at a time, so its turn will come! When that happens, just as it did with all the other models, you can rest assured with the updates to the model comes a big update to its price!

arkwhaler · 12 March 2009, 10:04 PM

My only wish would be to update the bezel. It's been about 20 years since any cosmetic explorer I update and probably even longer for explorer ii.

The GMT Master · 12 March 2009, 10:20 PM

Although it's been expected for the past few years, no-one will know for certain whether the Explorer and Explorer II will be updated until 26 March. If there are updates, my money would be on the GMT IIc-style bracelet (possibly with PCLs), maxi dial and hands, and, as arkwhaler said, some kind of update to the bezel on the Explorer II. As much as I love it, I'm not sure we'll be seeing the Glidelock on the Explorers.

chicken · 12 March 2009, 10:53 PM

Thanks all. If the Explorer II came with a maxi dial and hands then I think my decision would be made for me.

SadikP · 12 March 2009, 11:07 PM

My guess that if /when the the Explorer II gets an update, it will be a GMT IIc clone with a SS bezel.

To be honest, the only updates I would like to see on the Explorer II are solid centre links & an updated clasp.

Psmith · 12 March 2009, 11:25 PM

The Exp II is pretty much spot on as it is. However, I can see the attraction of the GMT IIc clasp, with its EasyLink extension. That said, I've never felt the need to adjust a bracelet 'on the fly' and the Fliplock is very 'fixable' i.e. not a complex, expensive device. Pros & cons...

Hollow centre links are there for a reason, on tool watches, to keep dirt and grit (esp water-bourne) from grinding between links.

Cheers

arkwhaler · 12 March 2009, 11:54 PM

i like the overall design of expii. i just think the font needs to be updated on the bezel. i guess a new clasp would be nice as well.

pcl on explorer? i would hate that. hope it doesn't happen. lume on 3-6-9 would be nice though.

vapalux · 13 March 2009, 12:12 AM

From a local AD where I had a bluesy in one hand and a TT GMTIIc in the other the manager , who is a big sub fan with a good collection , told me the sub was going up to GMTIIc size this year.

Si

DSJ · 13 March 2009, 12:58 AM

I've got mine on today, and while I WOULD like to have solid center links and a newer style clasp, the Explorer II, AS IS, is near perfection to me!

And the longer I'm around, the more I am inclined to eventaully get a 16170 or earlier, rather than a 116710. So I'm guessing I would not prefer a "116570" over my current Explorer II.

boa2 · 13 March 2009, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vapalux

From a local AD where I had a bluesy in one hand and a TT GMTIIc in the other the manager , who is a big sub fan with a good collection , told me the sub was going up to GMTIIc size this year.

Si

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They're both 40mm.

DSJ · 13 March 2009, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boa2

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They're both 40mm.

Technically, it's 39mm

The GMT Master · 13 March 2009, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boa2

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They're both 40mm.

I think he's referring to the increased depth of the case

vapalux · 13 March 2009, 06:28 AM

Yep. Sorry all . Nipped away for a long time!

The TT GMTIIc is a lot bigger case than the sub. You can see the difference rather than measure it to check. The TT GMT IIc was also a lot heavier. Mind you there was a heck of a bracelet on it!

Si

Ed Rooney · 13 March 2009, 06:38 AM

I could see them doing supercase and maxi-dial, along with the 3186, and also the upgraded clasp and bracelet. It will probably be a nice looking watch and a strong candidate for my next.

12 March 2009, 07:13 PM	#1
chicken "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: London + New York Watch: Eterna KonTiki Posts: 43	Is there a new Explorer II coming out? Hello everyone. I'm new to the forum so apologies if this has already been covered elsewhere. I'm saving up for my first Rolex and keep changing my mind between the GMT IIc, Yacht Master, or Explorer II. There's elements of all of them that I like and my prioritisation of them changes almost daily. I've read that the newer Explorer II has the better mechanism (parachrome?) than the old one but is there going to be an update to the model this year? If so, what changes do you think this would entail? Ta very muchly. Chicken

12 March 2009, 09:48 PM	#3
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	Hi and welcome... The Exp II has the 3186 movement (with Parachrom hairspring) as also found in the GMT IIc If & when the Exp II is changed, it will keep the same movement regardless of what else Rolex do to it (which will of course entail a hefty price hike) Good luck Cheers __________________

12 March 2009, 11:25 PM	#9
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	The Exp II is pretty much spot on as it is. However, I can see the attraction of the GMT IIc clasp, with its EasyLink extension. That said, I've never felt the need to adjust a bracelet 'on the fly' and the Fliplock is very 'fixable' i.e. not a complex, expensive device. Pros & cons... Hollow centre links are there for a reason, on tool watches, to keep dirt and grit (esp water-bourne) from grinding between links. Cheers __________________

13 March 2009, 12:58 AM	#12
DSJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: David Location: USA Watch: your step! Posts: 7,882	I've got mine on today, and while I WOULD like to have solid center links and a newer style clasp, the Explorer II, AS IS, is near perfection to me! And the longer I'm around, the more I am inclined to eventaully get a 16170 or earlier, rather than a 116710. So I'm guessing I would not prefer a "116570" over my current Explorer II. __________________ Rolex. The Rolex of watches. 16570 Expy2 Noir, 116710 GMT Master II, 2552.80 SMP

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12 March 2009, 07:17 PM	#2
Singslinger "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: singapore Posts: 6,424	Most of the rumours about a new model to be unveiled at Basel later this month are focused on the Submariner (ceramic bezel, updated bracelet, larger size) and not the Exp 2. Still, I for one would like to see the Exp 2 updated and revamped; also, after last year's Deepsea (shockingly large and thick), I think anything's possible. PS Welcome aboard!

12 March 2009, 10:02 PM	#4
train-time 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Plankton Location: US Watch: less Posts: 4,161	Welcome! Everybody is right, the Sub seems to be the next candidate. They generally do one at a time, so its turn will come! When that happens, just as it did with all the other models, you can rest assured with the updates to the model comes a big update to its price!

12 March 2009, 10:04 PM	#5
arkwhaler Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: flyover america Watch: 114270 Posts: 236	My only wish would be to update the bezel. It's been about 20 years since any cosmetic explorer I update and probably even longer for explorer ii.

12 March 2009, 10:20 PM	#6
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,150	Although it's been expected for the past few years, no-one will know for certain whether the Explorer and Explorer II will be updated until 26 March. If there are updates, my money would be on the GMT IIc-style bracelet (possibly with PCLs), maxi dial and hands, and, as arkwhaler said, some kind of update to the bezel on the Explorer II. As much as I love it, I'm not sure we'll be seeing the Glidelock on the Explorers.

12 March 2009, 10:53 PM	#7
chicken "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: London + New York Watch: Eterna KonTiki Posts: 43	Thanks all. If the Explorer II came with a maxi dial and hands then I think my decision would be made for me.

12 March 2009, 11:07 PM	#8
SadikP Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: London-UK Posts: 27	My guess that if /when the the Explorer II gets an update, it will be a GMT IIc clone with a SS bezel. To be honest, the only updates I would like to see on the Explorer II are solid centre links & an updated clasp.

12 March 2009, 11:54 PM	#10
arkwhaler Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: flyover america Watch: 114270 Posts: 236	i like the overall design of expii. i just think the font needs to be updated on the bezel. i guess a new clasp would be nice as well. pcl on explorer? i would hate that. hope it doesn't happen. lume on 3-6-9 would be nice though.

13 March 2009, 12:12 AM	#11
vapalux "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Si Location: united kingdom Posts: 1,655	From a local AD where I had a bluesy in one hand and a TT GMTIIc in the other the manager , who is a big sub fan with a good collection , told me the sub was going up to GMTIIc size this year. Si

13 March 2009, 06:28 AM	#16
vapalux "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Si Location: united kingdom Posts: 1,655	Yep. Sorry all . Nipped away for a long time! The TT GMTIIc is a lot bigger case than the sub. You can see the difference rather than measure it to check. The TT GMT IIc was also a lot heavier. Mind you there was a heck of a bracelet on it! Si

13 March 2009, 06:38 AM	#17
Ed Rooney "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Annapolis, MD Watch: Sea-Dweller 16600 Posts: 5,081	I could see them doing supercase and maxi-dial, along with the 3186, and also the upgraded clasp and bracelet. It will probably be a nice looking watch and a strong candidate for my next.

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