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Old 18 March 2021, 02:43 AM   #61
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I agree. It makes no sense to spend 40K on something you may want or like, hopefully, when you can buy the watch you want for 19K today and be done with it.
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Old 18 March 2021, 02:50 AM   #62
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Bundle the DD and BLRO on a both or nothing basis from AD, or buy a gray Pepsi.
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Old 18 March 2021, 02:54 AM   #63
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The idea of paying an AD for a watch you don't really want, just to build a relationship with said AD for a watch you may never get from the same aforementioned AD is ridiculous on its face.

Pay the gray for what you want, you'll be thousands $$ ahead.
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Old 18 March 2021, 03:20 AM   #64
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I notice the champagne YG DD40's are offered at prices less than other dials. I think the suggestion of pricing the sale of a new champagne DD40 to one the Trusted Sellers is the best way to quantify the imbedded option premium, by selling the DD40 at a loss, on the hope of getting a Pepsi. There is a lot of risk assessing when and if you will get a Pepsi. What if higher priority clients want one in the meantime? What if the AD looses their Rolex franchise. In looking at 126710 Pepsi offer prices, you would have to pay ~9 to 10K over MSRP.
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Old 18 March 2021, 03:44 AM   #65
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You’ll lose on that with maybe a chance to break even. Greys are selling new for 36-37k and your watch would be used. Maybe you get 33-34k but then you are down 8-9k. If you get the Pepsi net probably even. You’d have to really like it IMO to do this and it sounds like you don’t.
The OP seems to say that the price from the AD is $34.5k. 85% would put him at $29K and change. That doesn't seem out of the question for a private sale.
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Old 18 March 2021, 03:54 AM   #66
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Your thinking appears to be upside down. Or maybe I'm not reading it right.

Bottom line, if you love it, buy it. If you don't, don't. I love the DD but don't like Romans. But that's me. I'm not you. I can't tell you what you like.
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Old 18 March 2021, 04:07 AM   #67
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I would buy the DD40 and the SS Pepsi together, in bulk. If your AD can't do that, I'd pass.
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Old 18 March 2021, 05:38 AM   #68
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The OP seems to say that the price from the AD is $34.5k. 85% would put him at $29K and change. That doesn't seem out of the question for a private sale.
Yeah he edited it after I commented to 34.5k with no tax. Makes it easier to digest then although still not a lot of sense.
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Old 18 March 2021, 06:13 AM   #69
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ok, I am going against the grain here, why doesn't his plan make sense? especially, if he wants to get other watches afterwards in years to come. of course if it's just supposed to be the Pepsi then go grey by all means BUT if there are other watches he likes in the future definitely build that relationship.
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Old 18 March 2021, 06:49 AM   #70
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Bundle the DD and BLRO on a both or nothing basis from AD, or buy a gray Pepsi.
Pretty much this. Without a bundle you have no guarantee of ever getting what you want.
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Old 18 March 2021, 07:00 AM   #71
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No tax where I am. :-) After conversion - it's about $USD34,500~.

I’ve been looking for one. If you pass on it I’ll buy it and you can use me as a referral to your AD.


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Old 18 March 2021, 07:10 AM   #72
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Here's a basic rule of thumb - Don't buy what you don't want; ever... not worth it. I think this shortage is driving people almost crazy. Buy grey if you want to pay too much for a watch, otherwise wait a bit.
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Old 18 March 2021, 08:10 AM   #73
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Unlike others I don't even think you'd lose 5% or whatever, I think it would be much, much, more. Reach out to some of the grey dealers and ask what "their buy price" is for the watch, and you'll see how parasitic they are.
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Old 18 March 2021, 10:34 AM   #74
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Oh no. Don’t get a watch you don’t even want to get a watch you might not even get.


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Old 18 March 2021, 10:47 AM   #75
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Forget about "relationships". That's absurd when discussing retail transactions. If you want a BLRO, save yourself time and money in the long run and buy a new unworn one with stickers. I did and have zero regrets about that choice and am in fact "up" over $4k from where I started. I don't care though because as you already said watches are not investments. If you have money for a DD...buy the BLRO from a trusted seller and then put the remaining funds in crypto or some other market. Forget this "relationship" you speak of.

Agreed!! These AD relationships are waaaaay overrated. Everyone claims to have a relationship still its the scarcity of the watches not the lack of relationships, especially if they’re gonna sell to whomever they want.


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Old 18 March 2021, 10:49 AM   #76
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Forget about "relationships". That's absurd when discussing retail transactions. If you want a BLRO, save yourself time and money in the long run and buy a new unworn one with stickers. I did and have zero regrets about that choice and am in fact "up" over $4k from where I started. I don't care though because as you already said watches are not investments. If you have money for a DD...buy the BLRO from a trusted seller and then put the remaining funds in crypto or some other market. Forget this "relationship" you speak of.

Any recommendations for best seller to get a new BLRO from?


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Old 18 March 2021, 11:03 AM   #77
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Get the DD 40...do you even need a Pepsi?
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Old 18 March 2021, 11:18 AM   #78
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Just to build a relationship......HECK NO!!!!!
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Old 18 March 2021, 01:35 PM   #79
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Unlike others I don't even think you'd lose 5% or whatever, I think it would be much, much, more. Reach out to some of the grey dealers and ask what "their buy price" is for the watch, and you'll see how parasitic they are.
That's what I'm saying. And experienced. AGREE!!
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Old 18 March 2021, 01:45 PM   #80
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Because for every individual watch priced at MSRP (not reference number, but literal watch) there are dozens of customers waiting for it, and the ADs know.

Because the general public doesn't realize that the new dealer discount is the chance to buy at MSRP and not 20% off, like in the old days.

We the public have no leverage. It's why buying jewelry from one of these places goes a mile.
IF every model Rolex is at MSRP, then there would be no need for the AD to offer as a "bundle". They will sell the "weaker" watch of the two at a discount on its own.
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Old 18 March 2021, 08:32 PM   #81
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I'm thinking about getting this watch to build a relationship with the AD
I stopped reading at this point....
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