1971 Tudor 7021

[HarveyMushman]

Hi


Long time lurker first time posted. I am looking at a black dial 1971 Tudor 7021 to buy but a few there are a few things standing out I am not overly sure on, hoping some one here may be able to assist.

The bracelet is stamped 9315, I have read it that could be a legitimate code for the year?

The clasp has a Tudor stamp not Rolex is that period correct?

The owner has swapped out the plexiglass with a domed one but doesn't have the original. Is it going to be difficult to rectify that?

The bezel looks quite clean in particular the 12 o clock pip has not discoloured as the dial markers have.....I understand a lot of the later Rolex Subs are interchangeable but if that is the case how much would it devalue the watch by?

I had been looking for a 9411 but this came up and appears on the face of it a good price but the above has me pondering the reasons for that.

Couple of pics added.

Any advice, opinions very much appreciated.

Cheers

[HarveyMushman]

I need more points to post the images so I will come back with the images shortly :)

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by HarveyMushman

Hi


Long time lurker first time posted. I am looking at a black dial 1971 Tudor 7021 to buy but a few there are a few things standing out I am not overly sure on, hoping some one here may be able to assist.

The bracelet is stamped 9315, I have read it that could be a legitimate code for the year?

The clasp has a Tudor stamp not Rolex is that period correct?

The owner has swapped out the plexiglass with a domed one but doesn't have the original. Is it going to be difficult to rectify that?

The bezel looks quite clean in particular the 12 o clock pip has not discoloured as the dial markers have.....I understand a lot of the later Rolex Subs are interchangeable but if that is the case how much would it devalue the watch by?

I had been looking for a 9411 but this came up and appears on the face of it a good price but the above has me pondering the reasons for that.

Couple of pics added.

Any advice, opinions very much appreciated.

Cheers

Hi there, welcome.

You could simply upload pictures to a third party site and then just link them to this thread.

9315 bracelet code makes sense to me (Tudor would have used Rolex bracelets in the earlier days). If the Clasp is stamped Tudor - likely the whole bracelet has been replaced in a recent service. What does the end links say? 380B?

Bezel insert for Tudor interchangeable with Rolex of the same era.

I think I know which watch you're referring to. if so, price is okay but acknowledging:

1) dial is service replacement and likely hands too
2) bezel also service replacement
3) bracelet also service replacement

None of these are fatal issues but just something to consider.

[HarveyMushman]

Thanks for the response, having a few issues with the image links but working on that.

As you're in Australia you probably have seen the one I am referring too, I have emailed for more info but no response as yet.

From what I can see the end link is 380B. With all that being replaced which was my suspicion I think I would prefer to spend more and try to find an original somewhere. I actually prefer it in blue anyway but this seemed a good price...for a reason I suppose.

Thanks again for your info, much appreciated.

[HarveyMushman]

Also need to proof read my posts before submitting, glad you could make sense of all that

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by HarveyMushman

Thanks for the response, having a few issues with the image links but working on that.

As you're in Australia you probably have seen the one I am referring too, I have emailed for more info but no response as yet.

From what I can see the end link is 380B. With all that being replaced which was my suspicion I think I would prefer to spend more and try to find an original somewhere. I actually prefer it in blue anyway but this seemed a good price...for a reason I suppose.

Thanks again for your info, much appreciated.

No worries, I think the asking price isn't outrageous. Obviously an all original 7021 would fetch for more.

One thing to consider is many of the 9411 (especially black dial) were prone to "pimpling". Some people call it patina and love it but I dislike it and frankly think its a time bomb waiting for those areas to eventually flaked off completely. So a service dial is actually not a bad outcome as they were manufactured by a different supplier and holds up much better.

Just something to think about as you go on your adventure for the right one!

[mineral]

The “period correct” dial or insert are more important than period correct bracelet in my view. Most of the bracelet may had been replaced due to wear and tear.

FYI the correct bracelet should be 7836 with Rolex clasp logo for 1971 Tudor sub. However it is not deal breaker if you have newer bracelet and if the price is right certainly worth to consider.

One more thing to look out is the date wheel should be roulette date (red and black font) for 7021/0.


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[zapokee]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

Bezel insert for Tudor interchangeable with Rolex of the same era.

In theory, yes, but in practice, often not.

I've found that trying to swap these 50-year-old inserts/bezels from watch to watch often doesn't work due to changes in tolerance/wear/shape over the years.

They're often either so loose that they fall off or are too tight to fit.

[HarveyMushman]

Thanks for the info, I'll get some pics up soon it's priced a fraction over $10k AUD which is about $7k USD.

I have since found out the bezel insert has been replaced (the pip glows and obviously shouldn't) It does have roulette date and the code on the clasp is P10.

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by HarveyMushman

Thanks for the info, I'll get some pics up soon it's priced a fraction over $10k AUD which is about $7k USD.

I have since found out the bezel insert has been replaced (the pip glows and obviously shouldn't) It does have roulette date and the code on the clasp is P10.

As I said, the dial, bezel, hands and bracelet are all service replaced parts. None are period correct.

It’s listed on their website btw… assuming we’re talking about the same one

[HarveyMushman]

I think we are :) I'm probably going to leave this one....it feels a bit like Triggers broom.

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by HarveyMushman

I think we are :) I'm probably going to leave this one....it feels a bit like Triggers broom.

see if the dealer can move a bit on price.

The reality is it's probably hard to find a snowflake for under A$10K - unless i have missed the market movement somewhere.

[MrChamfers]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

As I said, the dial, bezel, hands and bracelet are all service replaced parts. None are period correct.

It’s listed on their website btw… assuming we’re talking about the same one

How do the service dials differ from the original dials?


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[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

How do the service dials differ from the original dials?


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submariner text font

[MrChamfers]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

submariner text font

Thanks, I see what you mean.