Which Independents Are You Watching?

[_speedmaster_]

Originally Posted by unknown

Haldimann is indeed great but unfortunately they come at a price

I was surprised at the value initially. The H11 was around $31k in steel a couple of years ago, which is a steal imho for a single watchmaker building you a watch without the use of CNC. However, seems he raised his prices and now his cheapest watch is $55k….which is a harder pill to swallow given what else that price range can yield.

[edhahn44]

Originally Posted by _speedmaster_

I was surprised at the value initially. The H11 was around $31k in steel a couple of years ago, which is a steal imho for a single watchmaker building you a watch without the use of CNC. However, seems he raised his prices and now his cheapest watch is $55k….which is a harder pill to swallow given what else that price range can yield.

Does anybody have ownership experience with a Haldimann? Really like the new H12 steel.
How to buy them? Just drop him an email?


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[RoscoPico]

Originally Posted by unknown

Just wondering ...

For me a lot changed when talking about independents. I mean ... Journe is still my favorite brand and that will probably not change. But When buying a Journe today you don't get a piece he made. He works with dozens of watchmakers.
And so do Voutilainen and almost all the others. Even RW Smith has quite some watchmakers working for him.

All great watches but isn't it even better when the watch you get is the watch made by the man who's name is on the dial ?

This is why I love Florent Lecomte, Pascal Coyon, Chritian Lass.


So I would like to see more go these in this thread instead of the Parmiginani, Journe, Voutilainen, Grossman, Czapek, Greubel, Forsey ...
They are independent because the do not belong to a big group ... but they are so different from these individuals.

Maybe we need another name than 'independent'

How do the call the ultra small brands where the watchmaker himself makes YOUR watch.

great point. I took my first leaps away from the usual suspects with my GS, ALS, and Moser. I have yet to venture further out but I am very interested

[Becweb]

Rolex, Patek and AP

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Becweb

Rolex, Patek and AP

Please forgive me and don’t take it personal.... but I think it’s impossible to give a more boring answer

[Swearengen]

Studio Underdog
Habring2
Konstantin Chaykin

[_speedmaster_]

Originally Posted by Becweb

Rolex, Patek and AP

I mean, technically you are right.

[WatchEater666]

Filipe Pikullik lately - this is only ~$1000. Pretty cool.

[kunlun]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

Filipe Pikullik lately - this is only ~$1000. Pretty cool.

There's a live shot on watchprosite that gives a less flattering, maybe more real look at it. It's good for the price for sure.

[WatchEater666]

Originally Posted by kunlun

There's a live shot on watchprosite that gives a less flattering, maybe more real look at it. It's good for the price for sure.

Live shot?

[kunlun]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

Filipe Pikullik lately - this is only ~$1000. Pretty cool.

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

Live shot?

By a living human!
Yeah, the movement looks much less well finished.

[harrison_cheng]

Krayon-anywhere and everywhere. A talented youny watchmaker.
watch out his debut- only watch- such an artistic watch I have not seen for a long time.

[hankae]

L & H is on par with anything super high end but for a fraction of the price.

[RoscoPico]

I love that watches are in right now and there is so much going on with independents.
Too bad though that many come along with a hefty price tag.
Can you imagine if we were all just chasing the "usual" brands, puke

[kunlun]

Anyone know what Pascal Coyon is charging for a new watch nowadays?

[Costa Rakaro]

Given this level of excellence and performance standards, the price of the Calibre Chronomètre 19 is well above that of the Calibre Chronomètre 1900. The prices are 30,500 euros excluding VAT for the versions in white or pink gold and 39,500 euros without tax in platinum. Of course, these prices are revised if specific requests are made like an enamel dial. When I discovered the watches and the 19 calibre, I had no doubt about the relevance of this price level. The watches are perfectly crafted and animated by an exceptional calibre that I consider one of the most beautiful hand-wound movements available today.

[Costa Rakaro]

Originally Posted by Costa Rakaro

Given this level of excellence and performance standards, the price of the Calibre Chronomètre 19 is well above that of the Calibre Chronomètre 1900. The prices are 30,500 euros excluding VAT for the versions in white or pink gold and 39,500 euros without tax in platinum. Of course, these prices are revised if specific requests are made like an enamel dial. When I discovered the watches and the 19 calibre, I had no doubt about the relevance of this price level. The watches are perfectly crafted and animated by an exceptional calibre that I consider one of the most beautiful hand-wound movements available today.

credit FX Whatchprosite

[Costa Rakaro]

Caliber 1900 , just went crazy on chrono 24 : 33 403 €

[WatchEater666]

Originally Posted by Costa Rakaro

Caliber 1900 , just went crazy on chrono 24 : 33 403 €

Makes zero sense given his new watch is less than that and objectively better.

[kunlun]

Originally Posted by Costa Rakaro

Given this level of excellence and performance standards, the price of the Calibre Chronomètre 19 is well above that of the Calibre Chronomètre 1900. The prices are 30,500 euros excluding VAT for the versions in white or pink gold and 39,500 euros without tax in platinum today.

Gracias!

[mongrelnomoad]

Originally Posted by Costa Rakaro

Given this level of excellence and performance standards, the price of the Calibre Chronomètre 19 is well above that of the Calibre Chronomètre 1900. The prices are 30,500 euros excluding VAT for the versions in white or pink gold and 39,500 euros without tax in platinum. Of course, these prices are revised if specific requests are made like an enamel dial. When I discovered the watches and the 19 calibre, I had no doubt about the relevance of this price level. The watches are perfectly crafted and animated by an exceptional calibre that I consider one of the most beautiful hand-wound movements available today.

That's pretty reasonable considering the amount of work put in. His watches are sensational.

[harrison_cheng]

Roger W. Smith

[WatchEater666]

Bump

[Longhorn]

Interested in seeing the next MAD creation from Max Busser next year. Along that line are there any other indie watchmakers that are re-tooling how time can be displayed? MB&F, Urwerk are of course the high-end spectrum, anything more mid tier?

[goog53]

Petermann Bédat

[WatchEater666]

Ttt

[beshannon]

Czapek, Gronefeld, Laine, Dornbluth

[kunlun]

This is turning out to be an expensive thread for me.

I've been in touch with Pascal Coyon and he has been very nice to work with.

[mongrelnomoad]

I've been keeping an eye on Atelier de Chronométre in Barcelona. Seem to be really stretching themselves constantly, and producing absolutely gorgeous and unusual watches.

[_speedmaster_]

Originally Posted by mongrelnomoad

I've been keeping an eye on Atelier de Chronométre in Barcelona. Seem to be really stretching themselves

I love them as well. They’re very responsive and accommodating. Note, though, that their prices are now about EUR 55k. That said, they have something special coming so I would contact them if you are interested.