Breitling Movements

[kourier]

Is Breitling moving away from the ETA movements entirely and replacing them with BR01-type movements? Thank you for the information in advance.

[Tools]

Breitling has entered into an agreement with Tudor, along with Cartier now, as a co-op to build their own movements.

This is likely because Swatch has decided to no longer provide ETA ebauchs to non-Swatch manufacturers.

[GST15]

Originally Posted by Tools

Breitling has entered into an agreement with Tudor, along with Cartier now, as a co-op to build their own movements.

This is likely because Swatch has decided to no longer provide ETA ebauchs to non-Swatch manufacturers.

Yes, and its a bit sad, as I feel that the ETA 2824 movements are excellent, and a value that kept the price down a bit. Both of mine run consistently at +1 to +2 spd. JMHO

[Guppydriver]

Didn't the new Chronomat just launch a few days ago with an ETA?

Between the new SO and this caller GMT, Breitlng sure is charging a pretty penny for cheap off the shelf movements.

[RolexUwe]

The Breitling Chronomat GMT contains the B32 movement; the ETA 2893-2. The Breitling Chronomat Chronograph, however, contains the venerable B01 movement. I attended the launch of the new GMT watches and they're nice. I tested the anthracite and green versions and they fit nicely. I'm not a GMT guy so they're not for me, but they're nice.

[Driver8]

Originally Posted by Guppydriver

Didn't the new Chronomat just launch a few days ago with an ETA?

Yes, and....

Originally Posted by Guppydriver

Between the new SO and this caller GMT, Breitlng sure is charging a pretty penny for cheap off the shelf movements.

...they certainly are!

I'm a big Breitling fan, but here in the UK the new Chronomat GMT comes in at £4,700 and it's running a Sellita/ETA movement, whereas for £3,170 you can get the Tudor Black Bay Pro with a "true" GMT, manufacture movement with 70 hours of PR. If ever the phrase "no brainer" needed an example, this would be it.

It's a shame because the Breitling is a great size and a nice looking piece: it's just double (maybe even triple) the price it should be!

[SOG DIVER]

Originally Posted by Driver8

Yes, and....


...they certainly are!

I'm a big Breitling fan, but here in the UK the new Chronomat GMT comes in at £4,700 and it's running a Sellita/ETA movement, whereas for £3,170 you can get the Tudor Black Bay Pro with a "true" GMT, manufacture movement with 70 hours of PR. If ever the phrase "no brainer" needed an example, this would be it.

It's a shame because the Breitling is a great size and a nice looking piece: it's just double (maybe even triple) the price it should be!

Interesting observations.
From German Steinhart: an Explorer 39 reference is a homage resemblance to the Rolex 5512/5513 Explorer rare dial, complete with ETA 2824 Elabore
workhorse movement. This attractive dive watch is possibly a tenth of the cost of the Breitlings, with the same movement. Breitling may be trading off its name, though it is a good watch.

[DJ2020]

Actually, NO ETA's are used in Breitling as of approximately 5 years ago. The manufacture movements B01, B04 and B20(Kenisissi) etc. are the ONLY in house movements Breitling currently uses. The B13 is now a SW500, B17 is now a SW200-1. B35 and B45 are based now on the SW300 Sellita's.

ETA currently supplies Swatch and associates only as per a trade agreement. And I agree, The ETA version were tanks and ran very well. I have a newer SO42 with the Sellita and seems to be running very well so far (about +1.5spd). Breitling does "tune" the base movements pretty well. I have no worries. Keep in mind that ALL Breitling movements are COSC certified chronometers.

I am a HUGE fan of Breitling, and will remain so.

[sgt2460]

Originally Posted by DJ2020

Actually, NO ETA's are used in Breitling as of approximately 5 years ago. The manufacture movements B01, B04 and B20(Kenisissi) etc. are the ONLY in house movements Breitling currently uses. The B13 is now a SW500, B17 is now a SW200-1. B35 and B45 are based now on the SW300 Sellita's.

ETA currently supplies Swatch and associates only as per a trade agreement. And I agree, The ETA version were tanks and ran very well. I have a newer SO42 with the Sellita and seems to be running very well so far (about +1.5spd). Breitling does "tune" the base movements pretty well. I have no worries. Keep in mind that ALL Breitling movements are COSC certified chronometers.

I am a HUGE fan of Breitling, and will remain so.

Personally I don’t have anything against ETA movements. They generally should be easier to find someone that can service them if you don’t want to send it back to the manufacturer. That said I’m pretty sure the Breitling B-17 being used in the new Super Oceans are just an ETA 2824-2 with a Breitling branded rotor.


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[fooey]

Didn't know all this!
Wow!

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[philhendrix]

Originally Posted by DJ2020

Actually, NO ETA's are used in Breitling as of approximately 5 years ago. The manufacture movements B01, B04 and B20(Kenisissi) etc. are the ONLY in house movements Breitling currently uses. The B13 is now a SW500, B17 is now a SW200-1. B35 and B45 are based now on the SW300 Sellita's.

I am a HUGE fan of Breitling, and will remain so.

The Breitling B20 is a self-winding movement with date based on Tudor's caliber MT5612. Does that still make it in-house?

Me too, huge fan of Breitling. Though I have to admit, I did have issues with my SOH42 which had to be sent back twice due to some irregularities with the movement. I would nevertheless recommend the watch to anyone if they like a chunkier yet beautiful watch.

[GST15]

Originally Posted by DJ2020

Actually, NO ETA's are used in Breitling as of approximately 5 years ago. The manufacture movements B01, B04 and B20(Kenisissi) etc. are the ONLY in house movements Breitling currently uses. The B13 is now a SW500, B17 is now a SW200-1. B35 and B45 are based now on the SW300 Sellita's.

ETA currently supplies Swatch and associates only as per a trade agreement. And I agree, The ETA version were tanks and ran very well. I have a newer SO42 with the Sellita and seems to be running very well so far (about +1.5spd). Breitling does "tune" the base movements pretty well. I have no worries. Keep in mind that ALL Breitling movements are COSC certified chronometers.

I am a HUGE fan of Breitling, and will remain so.

This is not true! I purchased a 2020 SO 42 as well as an Avenger of the same year. Both have ETA 2824-2 movements. They may have changed later, but as of 2020, ETA’s were still being used. I do know that the new SO’s no longer use the ETA movements.

[michaelmclees]

Is it really "in-house" if Tudor is producing them?

[Tools]

Originally Posted by michaelmclees

Is it really "in-house" if Tudor is producing them?

Interesting discussion perhaps.

Breitling and Cartier have "bought into" the manufacturing plant that Tudor built, just so they can be said to be partners in the manufacture. They are not receiving stripped ebauches, the plant makes specific end-movements for the brand.

This is just as in-house as Omega movements that are, technically/arguably, made by the ETA processes of the mother-Swatch group, or many others in that family.

[michaelmclees]

Originally Posted by Tools

Breitling and Cartier have "bought into" the manufacturing plant that Tudor built, just so they can be said to be partners in the manufacture. They are not receiving stripped ebauches, the plant makes specific end-movements for the brand.

That's interesting. It just doesn't seem in-house unless the name on the movement is the same as the one on the dial. If ETA cased up their watches, those would be in-house movements. Once you go out of house, you're no in-house.

[DJ2020]

Originally Posted by GST15

This is not true! I purchased a 2020 SO 42 as well as an Avenger of the same year. Both have ETA 2824-2 movements. They may have changed later, but as of 2020, ETA’s were still being used. I do know that the new SO’s no longer use the ETA movements.

This took place around 2010. So after this date it is true.

[GST15]

Originally Posted by DJ2020

This took place around 2010. So after this date it is true.

Well mine was opened and verified, not that it matters, as I feel a Sellita SW 200 is fine.
My Breitling AD said that the 2010 agreement was modified, and ETA continued to supply movements to Breitling until approx 2021.

[DJ2020]

The last 3 SO 42's I purchased in 2021 all had sellita movements. 26 jewel. You got lucky somehow to get one with the ETA. Congratulations.

I purchased them all at the same time. White, Black and Blue versions. When a Breitling rep told me they had changed movements I had the case backs removed to verify.

Below the balance wheel was " SW200-1". On the movement it self was stamped 26 jewels. FWIW.