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Lol-x · 6 January 2010, 08:33 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/O-ROLEX-Oyste...ht_5324wt_1167

I haven't seen a 1002 model casing vintage Explorer before, especially with COSC. However it does have a 1570 movement.

The caseback says II69 but the seller is putting the watch as having been made in the late 1980's to early 1990's

It's pretty screwed up if you ask me, but what do I know.

I thought the 5500 model was a non-cosc Explorer and that was the only one apart from the 1016.

Lol-x · 6 January 2010, 09:05 PM

I think there might have been an Air-King Explorer (Ref: 1002) in the 1960's but the auction of this watch seems to be very different to say the least

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idk01 · 6 January 2010, 09:32 PM

Where is buddy Stan :-) I'll do a bit of research and see what I can come up with on this one Steve :-) lets see how I go

tudorman8276 · 7 January 2010, 01:32 PM

springer · 7 January 2010, 03:38 PM

The Rolex reference 1002 is a Rolex Oyster Perpetual (non-date) men's watch circa 1960's and not an Explorer as noted by the seller and the dial on the watch. Looks like someone placed an Explorer dial on this watch to enhance the value. The serial number is from the 1960's, not 1980's as noted by the seller. There are probably many other things wrong with the watch, but enough noted for it to be a big "watchout" and avoid for sure. Good find Steve.

Orchi · 8 January 2010, 05:06 AM

Err buddies...the Seller did mention that the Dial has been refurnished...
But Orchi is thinking Dial is redone...
There has been plenty of such Redone Dial Explorer in eBay...
mostly bearing caseback ref 1002...

These 1002 casebacks are normally associated with case model ref: 5500...
which was mainly Air-King model...

A real Ref 5500 Explorer should have caseback marked "5500"...inside.

It's hard to tell from this listing what the watch has...
as there is no picture of either the movement nor the inside caseback...

Nevertheless...it should be treated as a Franken watch...
NOT to be named as "Rolex Explorer" by the Seller...
which in itself...would be grossly misinterpreted...n misrepresented.

To the can...as buddy Springer would have said it...often.

springer · 8 January 2010, 11:59 AM

The watch is marked reference 1002, did I miss something Orchi. Err, if so, please advise. When he said it is a reference 1002, I assume he means how the watch is marked betwen the lugs, not caseback, which could be anything that fits. Please advise my friend as I am always learning. Maybe he meant the caseback is marked 1002, which is an Oyster Perpetual. Hell, I don't know what he meant!

1000ftSub · 8 January 2010, 12:23 PM

tudorman8276 · 8 January 2010, 12:42 PM

...with "0" bids.

idk01 · 8 January 2010, 01:32 PM

6 January 2010, 08:33 PM	#1
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,596	Vintage Explorer http://cgi.ebay.com.au/O-ROLEX-Oyste...ht_5324wt_1167 I haven't seen a 1002 model casing vintage Explorer before, especially with COSC. However it does have a 1570 movement. The caseback says II69 but the seller is putting the watch as having been made in the late 1980's to early 1990's It's pretty screwed up if you ask me, but what do I know. I thought the 5500 model was a non-cosc Explorer and that was the only one apart from the 1016. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

6 January 2010, 09:05 PM	#2
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,596	I think there might have been an Air-King Explorer (Ref: 1002) in the 1960's but the auction of this watch seems to be very different to say the least . __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

6 January 2010, 09:32 PM	#3
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	Where is buddy Stan :-) I'll do a bit of research and see what I can come up with on this one Steve :-) lets see how I go __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

7 January 2010, 01:32 PM	#4
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...I thinkus we neeeeeeeeds da Orchi and Springer...

7 January 2010, 03:38 PM	#5
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	The Rolex reference 1002 is a Rolex Oyster Perpetual (non-date) men's watch circa 1960's and not an Explorer as noted by the seller and the dial on the watch. Looks like someone placed an Explorer dial on this watch to enhance the value. The serial number is from the 1960's, not 1980's as noted by the seller. There are probably many other things wrong with the watch, but enough noted for it to be a big "watchout" and avoid for sure. Good find Steve. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

8 January 2010, 05:06 AM	#6
Orchi Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 2,934	Err buddies...the Seller did mention that the Dial has been refurnished... But Orchi is thinking Dial is redone... There has been plenty of such Redone Dial Explorer in eBay... mostly bearing caseback ref 1002... These 1002 casebacks are normally associated with case model ref: 5500... which was mainly Air-King model... A real Ref 5500 Explorer should have caseback marked "5500"...inside. It's hard to tell from this listing what the watch has... as there is no picture of either the movement nor the inside caseback... Nevertheless...it should be treated as a Franken watch... NOT to be named as "Rolex Explorer" by the Seller... which in itself...would be grossly misinterpreted...n misrepresented. To the can...as buddy Springer would have said it...often.

8 January 2010, 11:59 AM	#7
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	The watch is marked reference 1002, did I miss something Orchi. Err, if so, please advise. When he said it is a reference 1002, I assume he means how the watch is marked betwen the lugs, not caseback, which could be anything that fits. Please advise my friend as I am always learning. Maybe he meant the caseback is marked 1002, which is an Oyster Perpetual. Hell, I don't know what he meant! __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

8 January 2010, 12:23 PM	#8
1000ftSub "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Mike Location: Orlando Posts: 2,471

8 January 2010, 12:42 PM	#9
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...seller ended the listing... ...with "0" bids.

8 January 2010, 01:32 PM	#10
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	__________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

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