Tulex mop diamond dial 18kt gold and stainless

[Safetrends]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-TUDOR-MOP-...item19b9725a1d

[ParisDakarBmw]

Oh....That's stunning.....Safetrends...It's all you...

[tudorman8276]

[idk01]

trademark infringement!

[TimeToGo]

GONERZ!

Great find...

[tudorman8276]

[jnmarshall]

My wife has the EXACT same watch only the ladies version. I understand it to be a Californian Tudor. The Rolex service center told us it's an authentic Tudor Princess with a Tudor ETA movement but the dial was fake. They offered to replace it with an authentic Tudor dial for the cost of about $800 - $375 for service, $240 for the dial and another $200 for a new set of hands. They gave me some story that they have to replace the hands when they replace the dial(???). I opted for just the service.

[tudorman8276]

Originally Posted by jnmarshall

My wife has the EXACT same watch only the ladies version. I understand it to be a Californian Tudor. The Rolex service center told us it's an authentic Tudor Princess with a Tudor ETA movement but the dial was fake. They offered to replace it with an authentic Tudor dial for the cost of about $800 - $375 for service, $240 for the dial and another $200 for a new set of hands. They gave me some story that they have to replace the hands when they replace the dial(???). I opted for just the service.

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

x2....

I would imagine if you wanted the service you would HAVE to replace the dial.

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

I agree, since I have been on TRF I have learned a lot about Rolex and Tudor. Both are owned by Rolex however they are seperate, like Lincoln and Ford. A Rolex Crown on a Tudor dial is a copyright infringment. That is why I call it a Tulex and other TRF members call it something else. What it comes down to is some sellers on Ebay try to pass it off as a real authentic Rolex, just like a Ford Focus being passed off as a Lincoln Focus.

Tudor is still a very good watch and I am not bashing the watch. just the people who make it into something other than a Tudor.

[tudorman8276]

Originally Posted by Safetrends

I agree, since I have been on TRF I have learned a lot about Rolex and Tudor. Both are owned by Rolex however they are seperate, like Lincoln and Ford. A Rolex Crown on a Tudor dial is a copyright infringment. That is why I call it a Tulex and other TRF members call it something else. What it comes down to is some sellers on Ebay try to pass it off as a real authentic Rolex, just like a Ford Focus being passed off as a Lincoln Focus.

Tudor is still a very good watch and I am not bashing the watch. just the people who make it into something other than a Tudor.

...someone said that they RECEIVED service for one with a FAKE dial from an RSC.

...I do NOT believe an RSC would service it with the FAKE DIAL unless they agreed to a correct replacement.

[ParisDakarBmw]

Originally Posted by jnmarshall

My wife has the EXACT same watch only the ladies version. I understand it to be a Californian Tudor. The Rolex service center told us it's an authentic Tudor Princess with a Tudor ETA movement but the dial was fake. They offered to replace it with an authentic Tudor dial for the cost of about $800 - $375 for service, $240 for the dial and another $200 for a new set of hands. They gave me some story that they have to replace the hands when they replace the dial(???). I opted for just the service.

You could buy this one and have two...

[jnmarshall]

Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

You could buy this one and have two...

Naw. One is enough. I'd put the correct dial on it but at $800 thats more than I feel the watch is worth.

[jnmarshall]

Originally Posted by onkyo

x2....

I would imagine if you wanted the service you would HAVE to replace the dial.

No, they serviced it for $375 which included a new crown and tube. They also had to replace a main spring and something else when they got into it. It cost $500 for the service and repair. It still has the fake dial. But it keeps perfect time now.

[jnmarshall]

Originally Posted by Safetrends

I agree, since I have been on TRF I have learned a lot about Rolex and Tudor. Both are owned by Rolex however they are seperate, like Lincoln and Ford. A Rolex Crown on a Tudor dial is a copyright infringment. That is why I call it a Tulex and other TRF members call it something else. What it comes down to is some sellers on Ebay try to pass it off as a real authentic Rolex, just like a Ford Focus being passed off as a Lincoln Focus.

Tudor is still a very good watch and I am not bashing the watch. just the people who make it into something other than a Tudor.

You have to wonder.... Why is a Rolex crown on the dial a copyright infringement when the Rolex crown on the winder is not?

[jnmarshall]

To all, I do realize the dial is fake plain and simple. I'm just simply saying I (my wife really) has such a Tudor.

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by jnmarshall

To all, I do realize the dial is fake plain and simple. I'm just simply saying I (my wife really) has such a Tudor.

I want to say that we are not bashing you, it is education on TRF that is important here. I am learning every time I am here and I hope you will also. When you learn something like the dial suitation you can deal with it however you choose to.

Ebay has several authentic dials that are not re-done and they are at a fair price, if you do want to change the dial it would not be a big undertaking. I found a authentic Rolex dial for about 150.00 euro and it is like new.

Best to you.

[Earl Camembert]

I took a Day-Date to Rolex USA. It has the original dial but it had been refinished. Rolex insisted that the dial had to be replaced or they would not service it. Perhaps they are not so protective of the Tudor brand.

[MikeyTX]

Originally Posted by Safetrends

I want to say that we are not bashing you, it is education on TRF that is important here. I am learning every time I am here and I hope you will also. When you learn something like the dial suitation you can deal with it however you choose to.

Ebay has several authentic dials that are not re-done and they are at a fair price, if you do want to change the dial it would not be a big undertaking. I found a authentic Rolex dial for about 150.00 euro and it is like new.

Best to you.

What we ought to do is by p/m provide him with some of the eBay listings for the real thing.

[idk01]

Tudor brand watches have the case, winding crown and in some cases the clasp supplied by Rolex, showing Rolex trademarking and on the caseback you'll see Rolex case supplied by Rolex, you will never see any Rolex trademarking on the dial and movement, in many cases the dial is changed to Rolex to increase the resale value of the watch, Any Rolex RSC will not let that pass through their fingers for a service as it breaks any of the cardinal rules they have set for authenticity.

I'm quite surprised the watch was returned giving you the choice of paying for a dial replacement, I have not known anyone given that choice at all, its usually done way before you see the watch and at your expense.

[jnmarshall]

Originally Posted by Safetrends

I want to say that we are not bashing you, it is education on TRF that is important here. I am learning every time I am here and I hope you will also. When you learn something like the dial suitation you can deal with it however you choose to.

Ebay has several authentic dials that are not re-done and they are at a fair price, if you do want to change the dial it would not be a big undertaking. I found a authentic Rolex dial for about 150.00 euro and it is like new.

Best to you.

In my case it's an authentic Tudor dial that is needed. Unless you are suggesting putting an authentic Rolex dial on a Tudor? I wouldn't think that would make it any better as to be faked. Maybe someday. Just not worth the expense right now as already indicated.

[MikeyTX]

Looks like something our friends at a certain gray dealer in metro L A would do. They are well known for pimping a perfectly good watch and destroying it's value. Their eBay listings are full of their handy work.

[jnmarshall]

We got it from La Jolla Jewelry in '06. They are still very prominent on ebay.
La Jolla Jewelry

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by jnmarshall

In my case it's an authentic Tudor dial that is needed. Unless you are suggesting putting an authentic Rolex dial on a Tudor? I wouldn't think that would make it any better as to be faked. Maybe someday. Just not worth the expense right now as already indicated.

You mis-understood me, I was giving you a cost factor on my Rolex dial. Tudor has some on Ebay at a reasonable price, Rolex it is much more $$$ for parts than Tudor. Another example is movements for Tudor are under the 900.00 range as Rolex starts at 1,400.00 and up.

BTW: Thanks for the heads up about La Jolla I will keep an eye on them for any more fake dials.

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by idk01

Tudor brand watches have the case, winding crown and in some cases the clasp supplied by Rolex, showing Rolex trademarking and on the caseback you'll see Rolex case supplied by Rolex, you will never see any Rolex trademarking on the dial and movement, in many cases the dial is changed to Rolex to increase the resale value of the watch, Any Rolex RSC will not let that pass through their fingers for a service as it breaks any of the cardinal rules they have set for authenticity.

I'm quite surprised the watch was returned giving you the choice of paying for a dial replacement, I have not known anyone given that choice at all, its usually done way before you see the watch and at your expense.

Good morning Dave nice to see you today have your coffee in you and ready to go?

[idk01]

Originally Posted by Safetrends

Good morning Dave nice to see you today have your coffee in you and ready to go?

Always have a coffee on hand :-) in the car, bathroom you name it hahaha

[jnmarshall]

Originally Posted by Safetrends

You mis-understood me, I was giving you a cost factor on my Rolex dial. Tudor has some on Ebay at a reasonable price, Rolex it is much more $$$ for parts than Tudor. Another example is movements for Tudor are under the 900.00 range as Rolex starts at 1,400.00 and up.

BTW: Thanks for the heads up about La Jolla I will keep an eye on them for any more fake dials.

Ah, yes. You are right Tudor prices are cheaper and I have seen Tudor dials and they usually are only about $50-$60. I haven't seen any for a ladies though. And I only search for US sellers. And even for the men's they don't show up as often or in quantity as a rolex either.

If one pops up maybe someone can pm me the link:) Thanks!

[idk01]

Originally Posted by jnmarshall

Ah, yes. You are right Tudor prices are cheaper and I have seen Tudor dials and they usually are only about $50-$60. I haven't seen any for a ladies though. And I only search for US sellers. And even for the men's they don't show up as often or in quantity as a rolex either.

If one pops up maybe someone can pm me the link:) Thanks!

Get in contact with Steve Mulholland (stevemulholland3) here on TRF, he may be able to point you in the right direction, I know he deals in many Tudors and might know a good source

[MikeyTX]

Originally Posted by jnmarshall

We got it from La Jolla Jewelry in '06. They are still very prominent on ebay.
La Jolla Jewelry

I was referring to the one in Anaheim ...........