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oldbreadstinks · 2 February 2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Atomic

I need to move to SG.

did i mention its a bonus if you're white?

3 February 2007, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by oldbreadstinks

did i mention its a bonus if you're white?

How bout if you're white and 6'6"?

Gedanken · 2 February 2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by oldbreadstinks

over here in sg , the right degree does get you those things, sad to say this but thats how things work in SG.

Yup. Despite getting the papers that they hold so precious, I decided to stay in Oz to get some real work done instead of getting caught up having my ass kissed.

montecristo · 2 February 2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by oldbreadstinks

over here in sg , the right degree does get you those things, sad to say this but thats how things work in SG.

Honestly, it helps when someone has a degree in the profession they are working in.

For those who think a degree is nothing but some fancy paper that tells people that the person is smarty pants, would you prefer a voodoo doctor to a real one? Or someone without a degree in architecture to design your house, and someone without E.E. to design the wiring.

Unless we are talking about the service industry, some profession out there still requires some sort of qualification for the position, in real world. That college degree is like a entrance pass towards those professions.

astcell · 2 February 2007, 12:22 PM

What's SG?

JJ Irani · 2 February 2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by astcell

What's SG?

SG = Sheep Getter!!

oldbreadstinks · 2 February 2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by astcell

What's SG?

singapore

Gedanken · 2 February 2007, 10:58 PM

Without a doubt, Ken, but the situation in Singapore that OBS is describing takes it to ridiculous extremes. Over there, the paper that you hold really does count for much more than what you can actually do, and it gets in the way of getting things done.

Case in point: I recently caught up with one of my old high school classmates, who is a business analyst. He accompanied one of his clients to the Economic Development Board to discuss a grant for an upcoming project. Halfway through the meeting, some punk from the EDB jumped up and asked the client, "What bullshit is this? Who the hell do you think you are?". That would have been fine and well if the client hadn't been in business for twenty years and had a turnover of more than $10 million a year.

The fact is that the punk was some government-funded scholar who'd been told by everybody that he was the best thing since sliced bread, and that his little scrap of paper said that he was right and everybody was wrong, even if he had six months' work experience to the other guy's squillions and twenty years in business. Unfortunately, this kind of thing is extremely commonplace in Singapore, where people automatically kowtow to paper qualifications. There are a lot, and I mean, a LOT, of dummies over there who cover their incompetence with paper - it's one of the main reasons why I left that one-dog town. I could have stayed there and had every brown-nosing flunky pucker up and call me doctor, but I just can't bring myself to buy into that BS. As it is, it's rare enough if I use the title once a year, and if I do it's a failure because it means that my qualifications speak louder than the quality of my work.

montecristo · 7 February 2007, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Gedanken

Without a doubt, Ken, but the situation in Singapore that OBS is describing takes it to ridiculous extremes. Over there, the paper that you hold really does count for much more than what you can actually do, and it gets in the way of getting things done.

Case in point: I recently caught up with one of my old high school classmates, who is a business analyst. He accompanied one of his clients to the Economic Development Board to discuss a grant for an upcoming project. Halfway through the meeting, some punk from the EDB jumped up and asked the client, "What bullshit is this? Who the hell do you think you are?". That would have been fine and well if the client hadn't been in business for twenty years and had a turnover of more than $10 million a year.

The fact is that the punk was some government-funded scholar who'd been told by everybody that he was the best thing since sliced bread, and that his little scrap of paper said that he was right and everybody was wrong, even if he had six months' work experience to the other guy's squillions and twenty years in business. Unfortunately, this kind of thing is extremely commonplace in Singapore, where people automatically kowtow to paper qualifications. There are a lot, and I mean, a LOT, of dummies over there who cover their incompetence with paper - it's one of the main reasons why I left that one-dog town. I could have stayed there and had every brown-nosing flunky pucker up and call me doctor, but I just can't bring myself to buy into that BS. As it is, it's rare enough if I use the title once a year, and if I do it's a failure because it means that my qualifications speak louder than the quality of my work.

While not everyone are qualified for their profession, that "scholar" probably knows more about finance than my mechanic and vice versa. Sadly, some people in this world simply don't have any manners, I remember growing up, I have heard a lot of people teaching their kids that the smart ones keeps their mouth shut and listen, I am glad I was raised that way.

I have worked a few years in the field of finance and I must admit that without my degree, I would have much harder time getting the job that I hated, any longer in that profession I would probably be popping prozac now.

After a few years in it and some proper investing, I decided to call it quits and live off real estate investments, I buy a few luxury apartments each year and flip them for profit (less headaches than houses). Much better money and I don't really have to do anything to earn it other than picking the right place to buy.

Gedanken · 8 February 2007, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by montecristo

While not everyone are qualified for their profession, that "scholar" probably knows more about finance than my mechanic and vice versa.

Again, no argument from me there, Ken. However, this wasn't some mechanic the punk was talking to. He was talking to a guy who'd run a successful business and made more money than that government flunky would ever sniff in his lifetime, and that counts for a lot more than the theoretical fiffle-faffle that the punk would have pontificated about with his undergrad classmates over beers the year before.

The point I'm making is that the value placed on paper qualifications in Singaporean society is way out of proportion to their real value.

oldbreadstinks · 9 February 2007, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Gedanken

He was talking to a guy who'd run a successful business and made more money than that government flunky would ever sniff in his lifetime

who knows , maybe someday they'll put him in charge of the CPF or even temasek

or maybe they'll turn him into a highly paid rubber stamp

Gedanken · 9 February 2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by oldbreadstinks

who knows , maybe someday they'll put him in charge of the CPF or even temasek

or maybe they'll turn him into a highly paid rubber stamp

Yes, and then he can crow about giving ten billion dollars to the Singaporean people - which is fine as long as you don't mention that he's done that with a trillion dollars of their money in the first place, making the most piss-poor superannuation fund look like a real financial powerhouse.

Launch Mini · 3 February 2007, 06:41 AM

I think the paper is important but I have a saying
"Remember , one half of the Doctors out there graduated in the bottom half of the class"

3 February 2007, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Launch Mini

I think the paper is important but I have a saying
"Remember , one half of the Doctors out there graduated in the bottom half of the class"

So true!

3 February 2007, 06:52 AM

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I think the paper is important but I have a saying
"Remember , one half of the Doctors out there graduated in the bottom half of the class"

Lawyers too.

TARDIS · 6 February 2007, 11:11 PM

I graduated in the school of hard knocks.

mikey · 7 February 2007, 01:57 AM

I really like this thread.

Mrdi · 7 February 2007, 02:24 AM

Pink Sheepskin, direct from JJ's prized stash.
Compliments my Pink Beach Daytona with the matching lizard skin.

STARBOARD!

President · 13 February 2007, 05:05 AM

I don't have my degree yet, but I do have an IQ of 131.

JJ Irani · 13 February 2007, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by President

I don't have my degree yet, but I do have an IQ of 131.

Yeah...right!! 1+3+1 = 5

President · 13 February 2007, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Yeah...right!! 1+3+1 = 5

astcell · 13 February 2007, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by President

I don't have my degree yet, but I do have an IQ of 131.

At what exchange rate?

JJ Irani · 13 February 2007, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by astcell

At what exchange rate?

sevoguy · 17 February 2007, 02:29 PM

Bachelor of Science, Anesthesia-LaRoche College-1987
Sevoguy

leopardprey · 20 February 2007, 12:16 AM

Bachelors of Science Degree from Purdue University in Agricultrual Science (International Emphasis).

mrbieler · 20 February 2007, 12:29 AM

BA in History, San Diego State University, 1992. Phi Alpha Theta Historical Honours Society.

I got it because I wanted to. Otherwise it only fills a slot on my resume.

2 February 2007, 10:58 PM	#8
Gedanken "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Sir Location: Melbourne Watch: F-series SD Posts: 8,589	Without a doubt, Ken, but the situation in Singapore that OBS is describing takes it to ridiculous extremes. Over there, the paper that you hold really does count for much more than what you can actually do, and it gets in the way of getting things done. Case in point: I recently caught up with one of my old high school classmates, who is a business analyst. He accompanied one of his clients to the Economic Development Board to discuss a grant for an upcoming project. Halfway through the meeting, some punk from the EDB jumped up and asked the client, "What bullshit is this? Who the hell do you think you are?". That would have been fine and well if the client hadn't been in business for twenty years and had a turnover of more than $10 million a year. The fact is that the punk was some government-funded scholar who'd been told by everybody that he was the best thing since sliced bread, and that his little scrap of paper said that he was right and everybody was wrong, even if he had six months' work experience to the other guy's squillions and twenty years in business. Unfortunately, this kind of thing is extremely commonplace in Singapore, where people automatically kowtow to paper qualifications. There are a lot, and I mean, a LOT, of dummies over there who cover their incompetence with paper - it's one of the main reasons why I left that one-dog town. I could have stayed there and had every brown-nosing flunky pucker up and call me doctor, but I just can't bring myself to buy into that BS. As it is, it's rare enough if I use the title once a year, and if I do it's a failure because it means that my qualifications speak louder than the quality of my work. __________________ You buy a Casio to make sure you're on time; you wear a Rolex because you don't have to be on time.

3 February 2007, 06:41 AM	#13
Launch Mini "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Real Name: John Location: Canada, eh Watch: can I? Posts: 6,240	I think the paper is important but I have a saying "Remember , one half of the Doctors out there graduated in the bottom half of the class" __________________ Something witty to go here. Member # 293

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