Clasp & divers extension difference between 16610 & 14060

[Submariner 1]

Greetings I am aware of the differences in the solid verses hollow end links of a new submariner. However is there a huge difference in the divers extension and the number of links behind the clasp. I have a 16610 and it looks completely different than a 14060 that I am contemplating. On my 16610 the divers extension is securely hidden behind extra links. On the 14060 the divers extension appears to be uncovered and actually deploys when you open the bracelet. Shoud it stay captive until relased? Or do you actually need to fold it in each time you put the watch on? Also there are no links covering it. Any info would be most helpful. Thanks in advance, Don

[Tools]

The latest 16610 has a newer model of extension with a couple of extra links and a J hook link that attaches to a spring-bar and holds it securely in place.

The older Subs and the 14060 have an older version with a fold over stamped steel extension. It is held in place at the hinge by friction and the rest of the bracelet does "swing free" when it is folded up..

[walds11]

Thanks Larry. I just received a 14060M COSC model. I know the bracelet is tried and true, but not sure I am 100% sold on it. The bracelet on my 16610 feels much more robust and solid with the newer extension and SEL.

[Tools]

I guess I should have mentioned that on the early bracelet the second set of holes in the clasp (left in the pic) is for the hinge rivit to friction lock into, and then the rest swings. The other set of holes (right in the pic) are for the micro-adjustment of the bracelet end pin.

so if you are set up like mine, in the first pin hole, then you have maximum swing of the extension. If you use any of the holes to the right; you will have less free swing...

If you notice the second hinge pin hole from the left (clasp rivit, then two holes over), there is a dark arc on the clasp.... This hole does double duty....it can hold the extension rivit on the inside, and the arc shows that it also holds the flip lock in place....

[Baptistman]

The 16610 does feel more substantial in build, however the 14060M feels flimsier, but is equally as tough. To be honest once the watch is being worn, you can't really tell the difference

[walds11]

Jon, very true. Now I have a decision to make. LOL.

Originally Posted by Baptistman

The 16610 does feel more substantial in build, however the 14060M feels flimsier, but is equally as tough. To be honest once the watch is being worn, you can't really tell the difference

[DSJ]

We all could be so lucky with such a decision!

[mr_happy_ending]

Am I glad that I found this thread!!! I recently purchased a 14060M. Click here if you're interested http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=54184

Anyways, I was looking at the extension blades of the bracelet and it looked awfully flimsy. In fact it doesn't even stay firmly within the clasp..... I thought that maybe I did something wrong when I deployed the extension blades the first time. To make a long story short, I found this thread and read Tools's post and felt relieved that I didn't break anything. The 14060M has a fold over stamped extension where half of the extension is housed inside the clasp. The other half of the extension is connected by a hinge and swings freely. I looked at the bracelet and the bracelet is part number 93150. This is also interesting as the Submariner booklet that comes with the watch discusses the dive extension and bracelet model numbers, but nothing is said about bracelet 93150.

To me, it feels flimsy. But everybody says it works, so who am I to judge. Additionally, has anybody used the extension blades when diving? To me, the end result seems much too large to actually stay in place over a diving suit.

Here are some pictures:

1) Watch is on its side. Bracelet is open. Extension blades have not been deployed.
2) Close up of above.
3) Watch held by case. Bracelet is open. Extension blades not deployed. See it swing.
4) Close up of above.
5) Watch on wrist. Bracelet is about to be closed. Extension blades not deployed. Notice how half of extension blade swings. When closed it will be covered by clasp.
6) Extension blades deployed. Notice how it swings.

[Dr S]

Never had a problem with the 14060 - the older Roelx bracelts always felt flimst compared to soem other brands bracelets - but have never l;et me down - I love the non SEL 14060 and the pin holes - the last of the true classic Rolex models - if you want a date buy a dat - but if you want a non date...

[mike]

The 14060M still uses the 93150 bracelet. Indeed there is a difference in the diver's extension as stated.



Over the years the 93150 has had some changes to the clasp as witnessed by the adjustment holes with the newer version having two sets of holes as opposed to one continous set,



An "improvement" over the older folded link 9315,



The 93150 while feeling a bit lighter than it's modern counterpart is never the less a very strong setup.

Some have stated the 93150 may be more subject to stretch over time, but I think proper fitting and keeping it clean is the answer here.

[sea-dweller]

Excellent information in this post !

[paulbutterfield]

Ive just bought a 1998 14060 and im glad i found this thread too! I was wondering if there was something wrong with the extension as it swings freely from the clasp. Ive no complaints about it though - the older bracelets are nice and light and the non SELs mean it wears neater on the wrist to IMHO.

[ddommen]

Hi, so glad I found this post..... Can someone confirm that I have too not "broken" my 14060m. I have just adjusted the clasp and I can't get the divers extention to "lock" back in, like the video on youtube. But the video on youtube is a 16610, so I take it as stated above there is nothing wrong with my watch it's just the way it is? When the clasp is closed on the wrist it just doesn't feel as strong as my husbands Omega seamaster. Any confirmation would be gratefully received. Thank you

[ddommen]

How do you deploy extension blades on this watch??

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by mike

The 14060M still uses the 93150 bracelet. Indeed there is a difference in the diver's extension as stated.



Over the years the 93150 has had some changes to the clasp as witnessed by the adjustment holes with the newer version having two sets of holes as opposed to one continous set,



An "improvement" over the older folded link 9315,



The 93150 while feeling a bit lighter than it's modern counterpart is never the less a very strong setup.

Some have stated the 93150 may be more subject to stretch over time, but I think proper fitting and keeping it clean is the answer here.

I just got finished servicing a 91350 and it took four hours to complete. I think the 91350 craftsmanship is excellent!

The ony thing that was a let down is someone damaged the heads on the four extension screws on the band and I would like to replace them some time in the future. I just got to find a source.

[springbar]

I think readers without a 14060 in front of them are going to get the wrong impression from this thread.

The 14060's diver's extension does NOT deploy with the clasp opened. It remains folded up, snapped in place inside the clasp. You do not have to go putting it away every time you put on the watch.

The big difference with the 14060 and 16610 is how and where the un-extended bracelet attaches to the clasp. In the 16610, it is anchored right at the edge on the 12 o'clock side. On the 14060, the extension is held closed much farther inside the clasp, almost to the 6 o'clock side.

This makes no difference when wearing the watch, but with the clasp opened, the 14060m bracelet hangs from a point way inside the clasp, revealing the final, sheet-metal link BEFORE the diver's extension.

[ddommen]

Originally Posted by springbar

I think readers who don't have a 14060 in front of them are going to get the wrong impression from this thread.

The diver's extension does NOT deploy with the clasp opened. It remains folded up, snapped in place inside the clasp. You do not have to go putting it away every time you put on the watch.

The big difference with the 14060 and 16610 is how and where the un-extended bracelet attaches to the clasp. In the 16610, it is anchored right at the edge on the 12 o'clock side. On the 14060, the extension is held closed much farther inside the clasp, almost to the 6 o'clock side.

This makes no difference when wearing the watch, but with the clasp opened, the 14060m bracelet hangs from a point way inside the clasp, revealing the final, sheet-metal link BEFORE the diver's extension.

OK, I get it, but how do you deploy the divers extension then?? (I probably don't even need to know), but I can't even see it!!, lol

[dieseldragon]

I wore a 16610 Sub for 13 years straight, in the most disgusting conditions (feel ashamed by how abuse it got) and it never let me down, until the the main pin wore through in th hinge.. Bracelet was scrap by then any way as all the links had unbelievable stretch.
Just because it doesn't weigh 300 gms doesn't make the clasp flimsy and it will not fall off. The 14060 I have now, I bought in 1996, sold it to my dad in '97 he wore it everyday until 2 weeks ago when I bought it back off him, clasp is a bit worn, but in no danger of falling apart.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by ddommen

OK, I get it, but how do you deploy the divers extension then?? (I probably don't even need to know), but I can't even see it!!, lol

You just pull it.. It is secured inside the clasp by the rivet in the middle of the blades snapping into one of the holes in the back set of holes. It is a simple friction fit just like the outside flip-lock piece..

The flip-lock snaps into the last hole-set from the outside, the extension snaps into one of four sets on the inside...simple...