TAG vs Rolex

[scottjb411]

I received a tag formula one for graduation in 1996. Over the next 10 years I beat the tar out of it(not intentionally). Since it was so reliable I purchased another newer model a couple of years ago. It being a quartz model I assumed the accuracy would be decent. I soon noticed that my rolex datejust (of course with self-winding automatic) kept as accurate, if not better time than the battery powered quartz tag. My understanding is tag boasts the movement should only lose or gain 1 to 2 seconds over a year. Tag is a good entry level Swiss piece, but rolex is my favorite bar none.

[Macro80]

They are absurdly popular here in the UK. Never understood why, i think in that tier of watches Brietling are better looking, esp Navitimer line.

[fquiroga]

I love my tag, but tag has not manufactured machines, in my opinion is not the acuracy the diference with rolex, actually you can adjust your watch with digital instruments very well, but how much time will be a well adjusted rolex in time and how much an standard machine?

I bought a sd three years ago and advanced 2 seconds a day, now it advances 2 seconds a day, will be the same with my new tag?

that is the question

[Mockingbird]

Originally Posted by fquiroga

I love my tag, but tag has not manufactured machines, in my opinion is not the acuracy the diference with rolex, actually you can adjust your watch with digital instruments very well, but how much time will be a well adjusted rolex in time and how much an standard machine?

I bought a sd three years ago and advanced 2 seconds a day, now it advances 2 seconds a day, will be the same with my new tag?

that is the question

Rolex actually manufactures durable, but mediocre movements. An ETA ebauche is strangely more reliable too. Rolex's movements are nothing to ogle at, if you want that you could look into PP, Lange, Breguet, AP, or VC.

Originally Posted by Chewy DeMarco

TAGs are cheaply made, the derivative designs copy Rolex, and they contain generic ETA movements.

I'm not a huge fan of Tag either, but the "generic ETA movements" with some small modifications (that are usually made by the manufacture) can out perform a Rolex movement quite easily. I really can't understand all the Rolex fans who are fanboys of the movement, once again, if you're really into the movement this is probably the wrong brand for you as Rolex doesn't offer complications.

Rolex produces solid and trustworthy movements, but are by no means the best.

[fquiroga]

why are mediocres? I have many friends is spain who owns PP and they have more or less the same problems than rolex

Originally Posted by Mockingbird

Rolex actually manufactures durable, but mediocre movements. An ETA ebauche is strangely more reliable too. Rolex's movements are nothing to ogle at, if you want that you could look into PP, Lange, Breguet, AP, or VC.

[Mockingbird]

Originally Posted by fquiroga

why are mediocres? I have many friends is spain who owns PP and they have more or less the same problems than rolex

Rolex can put out a solid simple movement, but the testing and development they put it through could be improved. (It would cost though, so that's probably why they don't, especially seeing as they sell quite well)

JLC puts each individual movement through 1000 hours of testing to ensure that problems don't arise, other brands do similar things and are working with concept materials in their simpler movements such as ceramic ball bearings, or making the first watches that have no need for lubrication. (they use carbon nitride or other materials that don't require lubrication) Hell, even Omega is paving the way in Co-Axial movements that ensure extended accuracy over time.

Compare these to the Rolex workhorses that haven't changed that much in 50 years and you'll see where I'm coming from. Rolex is a great brand, but they aren't known for their movements.

Originally Posted by Chewy DeMarco

You are obviously not familiar with the Watch Time magazine ratings.

No, I'm not, and I would love to hear what they have to say. I will admit that there is really no glory in modifying and ETA movement, and that's probably where they lose points. But the movements themselves are well made (on par with Rolex movements) no matter who makes them.

[vintage69]

Originally Posted by Mockingbird

Rolex actually manufactures durable, but mediocre movements. An ETA ebauche is strangely more reliable too. Rolex's movements are nothing to ogle at, if you want that you could look into PP, Lange, Breguet, AP, or VC.



I'm not a huge fan of Tag either, but the "generic ETA movements" with some small modifications (that are usually made by the manufacture) can out perform a Rolex movement quite easily. I really can't understand all the Rolex fans who are fanboys of the movement, once again, if you're really into the movement this is probably the wrong brand for you as Rolex doesn't offer complications.

Rolex produces solid and trustworthy movements, but are by no means the best.

My watchmaker,Dave, rates the two brands with the best movement as Patek Phillipe and Rolex. He has a client base which includes some of the whose who in horology, verifies watches for major auction houses,and has master certifications from serveral manufactures.

[Mockingbird]

Originally Posted by vintage69

My watchmaker,Dave, rates the two brands with the best movement as Patek Phillipe and Rolex. He has a client base which includes some of the whose who in horology, verifies watches for major auction houses,and has master certifications from serveral manufactures.

This feels a bit like an argument now, and I would like to avoid that. You're saying one man's opinion, but when it all comes down, Rolex hasn't innovated or changed their movements in quite a while, putting them behind the rest. (Not behind ETA, but behind other manufactures such as the ones I named earlier who make grand complication movements and experiment with concept materials)

Originally Posted by fquiroga

I am not a fanatic, just want to know why rolex's movements are mediocres, if you say somethin like that people thinks that you know a lot about mechanisms

I answered that a little bit ago, scroll up a little

[fquiroga]

I am not a fanatic, just want to know why rolex's movements are mediocres, if you say somethin like that people thinks that you know a lot about mechanisms

Originally Posted by Mockingbird

I'm not a huge fan of Tag either, but the "generic ETA movements" with some small modifications (that are usually made by the manufacture) can out perform a Rolex movement quite easily. I really can't understand all the Rolex fans who are fanboys of the movement, once again, if you're really into the movement this is probably the wrong brand for you as Rolex doesn't offer complications.

Rolex produces solid and trustworthy movements, but are by no means the best.

[maxxor]

Originally Posted by Macro80

They are absurdly popular here in the UK. Never understood why, i think in that tier of watches Brietling are better looking, esp Navitimer line.

did you just say Breitling is in Tags tier?

breitling gos toe to toe w rolex and omega

[Macro80]

Originally Posted by maxxor

did you just say Breitling is in Tags tier?

breitling gos toe to toe w rolex and omega

I really dont think Omega or Breitling go toe to toe with Rolex to be honest. However i do take your point that Breitling belong with Omega and not with TAG.

[Mystro]

What is the point or need to say X brand is better than Y or Z brand?? These threads sound "insecure and needy" like a high school pissing match. Just an observation.

[Carlos98326194]

Originally Posted by Mystro

What is the point or need to say X brand is better than Y or Z brand?? These threads sound "insecure and needy" like a high school pissing match. Just an observation.

+1

[Mockingbird]

Originally Posted by Paracentesis

The ETA 2892-A2 is as good as the Rolex calibres, every bit as tough, and thinner (and cheaper). What's not to like?

http://www.chronometrie.com/eta2892/eta2892.html

THANK YOU! Finally somebody who agrees with me here and isn't taking the, "Rolex is the best!" point of view!

[fquiroga]

I choose all my watches looking diferent mechanisms, all of them, I think I have every eta movements, valjoux 7750 and 7753, lemania...many, I never choose a watch because its beauty only, and the only watch that keeps exactly the same varation over the time is my sd

Originally Posted by Paracentesis

The ETA 2892-A2 is as good as the Rolex calibres, every bit as tough, and thinner (and cheaper). What's not to like?

http://www.chronometrie.com/eta2892/eta2892.html

[fquiroga]

and if you compare the crowns !!! the triplock system is one the most solids I know, even a friend who sales hamilton and others brans from swatch company, tells me that rolex's cases are very well made, I don't say that rolex is the best watch on the world, but mediocre...buf

[Mockingbird]

Originally Posted by fquiroga

and if you comare the crowns !!! the triplock system is one the most solids I know, even a friend who sales hamilton and others brans from swatch company, tells me that rolex's cases are very well made, I don't say that rolex is the best watch on the world, but mediocre...buf

Yes the Rolex triplock crown is a wonder of engineering, there's no contesting that, it can definitely hold it's weight against many other brands, and one thing that Rolex has always done RIGHT has it's sports models.

I thought we were talking about the movements though?

I really would rather not argue, so let's "agree to disagree" huh?

Originally Posted by fquiroga

in spain we say SAT to official service of any brand, rolex official service is very good here, specially if you compare with other brands from swatch company, are not bad, but slow

I will buy some day a coaxial mechanism, I am sure, but I am going to wait a little at least eta's movement are very tested and many, many people has watches with this machines, I really like, but I think the makers doesn't have the experience that rolex's makers has, is just a questions of time

Oh yeah, I really can't argue with Rolex's service, it really is quite impressive. Omega's is slow, and ANY of the extremely high end Swiss brands have EXTENSIVE service periods. So yes, I really can't disagree with you there. Rolex service is better than most other service.

[scottjb411]

Next to rolex, breitlings are nice timepieces. Definitely better than tags.

[WolFF]

without getting into a huge debate/arguement eta 2892 are a wicked movement. are they better than rolex? who knows. these are time peices and a bit of jewellery. what are you going to compare? which holds the time more precise? come on. lets be realistic here. when you buy a rolex your buying history, your buying quality, your buying a name and hopefully your buying it because you like how it looks.

the the OP, im laughing so hard. ive been there a few times. i actually have a tag monaco, because i love it, and am a huge steve mcqueen fan. so i like tag too. do i think tag is better than rolex? no. i think its funny because im in my 29, and when i was growing up in highschool, roughly 15yrs old i got my first tag, it was a very entry level model the f1 it had a bracelet, a quartz movement and i loved it. i think i had first seen a tag when i watched the movie diehard2 when the bad guy was wearing one i really like it. and researched it and the brand, and finally got one with all my saved up money. now at the time, and from growing up all i ever heard of was rolex, rolex this and that. i had never heard nor had any of my friends ever heard of tag. so i was buying something that i really liked and thought was unique. then i was in a clothing store and the guy that worked there said "oh is that one of them swiss army watches?" i told him no its a tag heuer f1. he said "oh thats ok, im saving up to get a swiss army watch too maybe you will get one too some day" i just smiled and was like umm ya sure pal. now then a swiss army watch could be had for something like $100-150 i paid $900 for the tag and for a 15yr old that was alot of $$$$, it was almost my life savings. then after a couple years closer to my grad. all i would hear is tag this and tag that . and everyone had to have a tag. and ohh lets see your tag. i got super pi$$ed off. thought i was original and played under the radar. at least i know i bought mine for a reason and not as a follower.

tag makes great watches, but you can buy them anywhere today, they are flooded. they dont hold their value .because they are really well priced up front, most people want to buy new ones than buy a used one. people are just uneducated and buy what they hear is good, and dont think about what they really buy. tag isnt even in the same category as rolex. its like comparing a volkswagen to a porsche ( if they werent the same company)


for a while in like 2000-2002 all i would hear about is omega. times just change and names change with it. the moral of this story, names like tag and omega come and go, but the name rolex will always stay, the people who havent heard of rolex, dont know anything. eventually they will, and will be part of the cattle.

[scottjb411]

Rolex is the only watch I'll wear, but there are more superior movements. You just have to wear the watch that makes you happy.

[fquiroga]

:che ers:

Originally Posted by scottjb411

Rolex is the only watch I'll wear, but there are more superior movements. You just have to wear the watch that makes you happy.

[3bee]

A traded my Tudor Big Block for a Tag Monaco Steve McQueen (plus a big wad of cash my way) a few months ago and I have to say I'm delighted with the Monaco. It's a fantastic looking watch and has great wrist presence without being blingy. It attracts loads of admiring comments too.

Don't get me wrong the Big Block is a truely iconic watch but I'm very happy that I went for this trade deal and I think the Monaco will be a keeper for a long time.

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by Paracentesis

I seem to have missed the posts that made this assertion.


I wasn't suggesting that you had made that assertion. But there is a certain "Rolex is best" bias on this forum and elsewhere in the thread.

I'd imagine that it's something to do with this :

[fquiroga]

well, going back, I want to know this girl !!! maybe she says that my modest renault scenic is a lamborghini !!!

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

Noticing my perplexity she added - "Don't be bothered for not having a TAG, yours look like one and I am sure it's a good watch too..."

[Welshwatchman]

..... and don't get me wrong.

I bought this piece a couple of days ago for far less than half the price I'd get for my BLV if I sold it tomorrow and the watch is a "superior" in more than one way. It was also probably cheaper than the price one would get for an ETA IWC watch and it would be hard to raise a giggle when asserting that the Zenith was a finer example of a timepiece.



The market placed the value of this superb watch at a fraction of an equivalent Daytona and all that one can do is respect the reality of such a market and simply acquire the better value pieces.

[cody p]

tag reminds me of the sports adage: looks like tarzan, but plays like jane.

[nickriebe]

I own a Tag and like it just fine... its no Rolex, but hey.... I wear it.

[Hooper]

Well, I really like Tag, however its not a Rolex. I have a Tag 6000, but it doesn't compare to my Sub

[desfrie]

I have rolex watches and my daily beater is a Tag F1 chrono. Nowhere is the tag comparable to a rolex even though the Tag is a tough watch. Have been wearing it since 2004 and it is a good sports watch. I just find it strange that a Tag is being compraed to a rolex.

[DanteBrandolini]

A Tag is a Poor Man's Rolex!!! .......Anyone else agree??