What are boxes and papers worth ?

[azguy]

I've learned so much is 30 days and still hunting for my first Rolex a GMT Master II, prefer 2001, 2002, 2003. I like the exposed screws in the case holding the bracelet on. I'm sure they have a name, lol.. I'm torn between a black bezel and a coke bezel. Leaning black.

My question is, how much more can/should you pay for a watch with boxes, warranty card, manual, tags, brochures, etc over a watch with nothing but a box, or nothing at all. I'm not even talking paperwork for service or original transaction receipts, I'm just talking the soft good stuff.

It's worth something to the overall price of the watch, right ?

[dddrees]

Generally for a watch this age it will add about another $100 to $200 of the overall cost.

[Grissom]

To some, a whole lot, and to others, not really very much. Always nice to hear what others think about this issue......

[bgriz]

about 10%

[gqllc]

If the watch was recently serviced by Rolex then there is an additional 2 year warranty which indeed has value. A lot of it depends on what you are going to do with your watch...if you are going to wear it and not worry about scratches and condition then I would put very little value on box and papers as long as watch is 100% authentic. Also for those years you are interested in are usually punched papers and not the credit card warranty. If I was going to "collect" the watch then condition of the watch is priority with box, papers next in line. They are called lug holes on the case for the bracelet.

[gwalker]

Papers are nice but honestly I don't care about the box. I'm buying a watch. I wouldn't trust a watch just because it has papers. They can be faked. I really think the warranty card is the most important thing now. I wouldn't pay more than a hundred or two for the box and papers and the watches would have to be exact. If the one with no papers was nicer I would buy that.

[basicksickness]

pointless. your watch will die in the box. if its real, who cares?

[azguy]

Very interesting, I was almost sure that I was going to hear that it was much preferred and worth at least 10-15% in the price of the watch which is a good chunk on a $4,000 to $5,000 watch.

I'm happy to hear it actually, this watch will be worn plenty and the box and stuff would be in the back of the closet. I'll only factor in watch quality now.

How much does it cost to buy and have changed a bezel insert color?

Thanks,

[gqllc]

Originally Posted by azguy

Very interesting, I was almost sure that I was going to hear that it was much preferred and worth at least 10-15% in the price of the watch which is a good chunk on a $4,000 to $5,000 watch.

I'm happy to hear it actually, this watch will be worn plenty and the box and stuff would be in the back of the closet. I'll only factor in watch quality now.

How much does it cost to buy and have changed a bezel insert color?

Thanks,

There are do it your self videos on here and pictorials as well. I have a OEM Brand new Coke (red and black) Bezel insert for GMT II. At least i think it is brand new...it is at work sitting on my desk! I think I paid $125 and that is the price I would sell it for as I no longer have a need for it. I think you will see prices from $100-$175 or so.

[gwalker]

Originally Posted by azguy

Very interesting, I was almost sure that I was going to hear that it was much preferred and worth at least 10-15% in the price of the watch which is a good chunk on a $4,000 to $5,000 watch.

I'm happy to hear it actually, this watch will be worn plenty and the box and stuff would be in the back of the closet. I'll only factor in watch quality now.

How much does it cost to buy and have changed a bezel insert color?

Thanks,

For the old metal inserts they are a few hundred+ each and easy to change. The ceramic inserts are $1k+ and have to be changed by someone with the tools. They are also very hard to get.

[Welshwatchman]

For an older rare sports steel Rolex a complete set of original box and papers could add £10,000 to the value of the watch.

Just don't tell Larry or Padi.

[MortgageGuy]

To me the papers are priceless, this of course is just my opinion as I will not purchase without... some other dont care at all as said its the watch you will be wearing not the box/papers

[Warnsboy]

Originally Posted by MortgageGuy

To me the papers are priceless, this of course is just my opinion as I will not purchase without... some other dont care at all as said its the watch you will be wearing not the box/papers

I've done quite well at getting B&P for most of my purchases. Takes a little more diligence and patience. Albeit, my tudor sub came in RSC service box with service papers.

[Speed]

Box and papers command more $$.

If you ever I tend to sell...you will get bargained down for no b&p...period, the end.

If you will never sell...pay what you think the watch is worth and enjoy.

[blackmsport]

$200-$300

.... except Gerard Perregaux Ferrari Rosewood box... worth upto $500

[springer]

Right now, 2000 - 2005 GMT II"s complete with their warranty paper, boxes tags booklets etc are selling around $4600 - $4700. Some are higher, but it's tough to find one under $4500. I've seen prices as high as $5200, and they seem to be even higher on ebay than the ones offered here on the forum. Watch only (GMT II) can be found for around $3800 - $4000 plus or minus.

The difference for a complete package GMT II usually sells around 15% more. In my opinion, it is worth the extra expense for the complete watch with paper and accessories. It definitely helps when it comes time to sell. I have a friend looking for one now and he is having trouble finding one in his price range of $4500. He's found a couple but they are always sold before he gets to them.

Good luck in your search.

[InVision]

It is DEFINITELY easier to resell with ALL the accessories. The older the watch is, the MORE the accessories are worth. Like others have said it is 10-15% ballpark on new models.

Mike

[padi56]

Originally Posted by azguy

I've learned so much is 30 days and still hunting for my first Rolex a GMT Master II, prefer 2001, 2002, 2003. I like the exposed screws in the case holding the bracelet on. I'm sure they have a name, lol.. I'm torn between a black bezel and a coke bezel. Leaning black.

My question is, how much more can/should you pay for a watch with boxes, warranty card, manual, tags, brochures, etc over a watch with nothing but a box, or nothing at all. I'm not even talking paperwork for service or original transaction receipts, I'm just talking the soft good stuff.

It's worth something to the overall price of the watch, right ?

Well speaking for myself I would never pay extra for a packaging box any plastic stuff or a out of date warranty paper on any modern day Rolex.The condition of the watch and service history if any thats the most important.And if no history have it serviced then get a current two year warranty paper that will have all the watch details on in.

[Runnin' Rebel]

Originally Posted by azguy

Very interesting, I was almost sure that I was going to hear that it was much preferred and worth at least 10-15% in the price of the watch which is a good chunk on a $4,000 to $5,000 watch.

I'm happy to hear it actually, this watch will be worn plenty and the box and stuff would be in the back of the closet. I'll only factor in watch quality now.

How much does it cost to buy and have changed a bezel insert color?

Thanks,

It's pretty easy to change out just ask me

Better yet, ask the guy who put it back together for me

[azguy]

Ha, great picture ! That's why I would never attempt it myself, lol....

I agree on the price assesments; boxes and papers to tend to bring more on the GMT years, 2000-2005.

I would like to spend $4,500 also, maybe even less, $4,250 and I am having a real hard time finding a nice, clean example.

Stuff on e-bay with buy-it-nows of $5,200 or so and I amke offers in the $4,700 range and get an offer back of $5,100 ?????

I'll keep looking.

[Zed Homme]

B&p make a watch easier to sell, I don't know how much value they actually add. I personally just want the warranty card. I do keep my boxes though in case I ever do want to sell, but really don't care for the clutter they add to my closet.

[drtooth73]

B&P add $500-600 in my opinion for the type of watch you are looking for.
I'd say w/o Box/papers, about $4000-$4200 for a nice GMT

[azguy]

I find marginal stuff without boxes and ppw and questionsbale condition because of the bad pics and minimal description, mid to late 90's, go for about high $3's.

Really nice stuff with boxes and ppw with great pics and pretty clean watches, high $4's, even very low $5's usaully from jewler offering some warrenty period. Years include, some Z's in here and some very, very nice A's, plus some P's, K's and Y's.

Not really much in between, a few...... but they go very, very fast.

I see lots of Z's that have been worn hard and put away wet with not much documentation.

I'm holding out for a P, K or Y in the $4,500 range.

[Zed Homme]

I sold my pepsi (mid 90s) last week to a friend for 3K. Issue was that it had a sub deployant instead of the GMT and Rolex wanted $900 for a new bracelet. That watch had no b&p but I knew it was all authentic as I had it at the RSC two weeks earlier...

[springer]

Originally Posted by Zed Homme

I sold my pepsi (mid 90s) last week to a friend for 3K. Issue was that it had a sub deployant instead of the GMT and Rolex wanted $900 for a new bracelet. That watch had no b&p but I knew it was all authentic as I had it at the RSC two weeks earlier...

GMT's came new with the Jubilee, 78360 or the 93150 deployment band. If you had the deployment band, it was probably original. If you have the warranty paper, a good way to check on the band it was originally sold with is to look at the style number. If it ends with 9315, it came with the 93150 deployment band.

[skyedog]

Originally Posted by Zed Homme

B&p make a watch easier to sell, I don't know how much value they actually add. I personally just want the warranty card. I do keep my boxes though in case I ever do want to sell, but really don't care for the clutter they add to my closet.

same here

[Zed Homme]

Originally Posted by springer

GMT's came new with the Jubilee, 78360 or the 93150 deployment band. If you had the deployment band, it was probably original. If you have the warranty paper, a good way to check on the band it was originally sold with is to look at the style number. If it ends with 9315, it came with the 93150 deployment band.

Just repeating what the RSC told me. Besides, the deployant on the gmt is much smaller than on the comparable era sub, and my watch had one of the large ones.

[dricig]

No Papers = Deal Breaker.

dave

[springer]

Originally Posted by Zed Homme

Just repeating what the RSC told me. Besides, the deployant on the gmt is much smaller than on the comparable era sub, and my watch had one of the large ones.

I forgot to mention the 78790 deployment style band in my previous post. It looks like a 93150 band without the diver extension piece. This is probably the one the RSC was referring to when you talked with them. But, the GMT 16710, 16760 or GMT 16700 also came with a 93150 band if it was ordered that way by the dealer. Someone is giving you incorrect information at the RSC. In the photos below, the one depicting the warranty paper with STYLE NO. R16710A30B9315 typed in at the top indicates the GMT II came with the Submariner deployment band. This is evidenced by the "9315" which is found in the style number. In the other photo that depicts the warranty sleeve, the top number on the sleeve is coded with 9315. The bottom number in this photo is the STYLE NO on the warranty paper which is folded-up inside the sleeve. Notice it matches the number on the sleeve and ends in 9315 which indicates it is a deployment band - like the band used on Submariners.

9315 in the style number indicates a deployment band, just like the band found on most Submariners!!!

[ericdube]

For modern Rolexes - the warranty card is what is most critical. The last Datejust I bought was missing the box and manuals (but did have the hang tags & warranty card, which was the only reason I bought it.) I was able to easily pick up a replacement box and manuals off Ebay for not much money while still getting a good overall deal on the watch. If I ever want to sell it down the road, it's a lot easier to sell a complete package as that's what buyers like to see.

For vintage Rolexes, I feel complete box and paperwork is extremely important for a lot of buyers and will typically command higher prices than watches without it (obviously there are exceptions for really rare Rolexes, but that's not the norm.) It's also a lot more difficult and costly to locate vintage boxes and manuals as well.

Personally, I'd never buy a watch without the warranty paperwork since it tends to be much more difficult to sell down the road at a good price.