JJ Rolex Giveaway

[mike]

RJ my friend, I was taught a long time ago, "Tis better to be thought the fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt".

[Tools]

I've been tempted to close this thread, but then, that wouldn't accomplish much except appear that TRF is stifling legitimate discussion.

I disagree completely with Rolex Junky's entire premise.

1. There is no "membership year". If you donate at any time, your name color changes forever - or until you choose to donate again.. Many members have donated only once, others, not at all.... there is no validity in the contention that "donating now will only be good for a month" because a Pledge donation is good for as long as the donater himself wants it to be.

2. There is no "personal gain" from this simple honoring of a long time member. Giveaways are intentionally restricted to a manageable number to cover costs with only a small residual for Forum Management.. Indeed, without the giveaway and costs involved in it, the Forum would net more proceeds from Pledge Donations alone.

3. To publicly insinuate that there is something "unethical" about honoring a deceased member is ignorant on the surface, and clearly shows a lack of understanding of ethics in general.

4. Personal and Forum donations and contributions have been made during the time that JJ and the family most needed them. Any member is free to donate to any cause at any time, including the Cancer Foundation. For the Forum, or anybody, to make this simple gesture of recognition during what would otherwise be a routine give-away is a noble one and demonstrates the highest level of endearment to the man.

Indeed, the entire premise of the original post is more telling than the YM dedication, which was fully vetted by Pledge Members before running it..

You don't need to make excuses for not donating to keep the forum running, nor do you need to make excuses for not participating in the event..

Since you feel strongly in your position, it is fitting that we keep this thread open for a while longer so that you can also see other members positions as well..

[Dan2010]

I'm at a loss for words. Please don't lock this thread, delete it entirely.

It is an insult to Steve O, the mods and the membership as well as JJ. There should be no more negatively regarding this as it is taking away from its true purpose, to honor JJ and to continue to celebrate and foster comraderie with Rolex and watch lovers around the world.

Now, drinks in JJ's Bar, they're on me. Just put them on Steelinox tab.

[Gaijin]

and please nobody throw up any "IBTL" posts prior to this thread going to its proper demise and shutdown. Sometimes "IBTL" posts are funny. Not here.

[britincali]

All I know is JJ would have got a massive kick out of the givaway.

[stephentross]

Despite the original post with all of the rules and such people as it seems, RJ, believe that are giving money for a raffle.

It is a donation to the forum for upkeep maintenance, etc..etc.. I am not sure if people understand that web site hosting or domain name registration is not all it takes. We don't know, nor do we need to know, if the site is hosted at the owners home or not. electricity, backup tapes, virus protection, Bandwidth, storage space (TRF is one of very few that allow as many attachments as you would like to post, No need to link to other online hosting sites. I can go on for days on this. Good websites cost money. That is what this is about.

What TRF has done is give an incentive for giving a donation. And nothing is guaranteed. It is all about comradery to me.

[eric23]

I think the JJ giveaway was a great way to honour JJ!!

Mods please close this thread, it is making me sick!

[The GMT Master]

I have nothing more to add to what has already been said here, but I think it's a great way to honour JJ and the contribution he has made here. Anyone who had the chance to interact with him personally would know this. If you had an issue with the way things are being run, OP, it could have been handled with a lot more class and dignity

[SaddleSC]

Originally Posted by The GMT Master

I have nothing more to add to what has already been said here, but I think it's a great way to honour JJ and the contribution he has made here. Anyone who had the chance to interact with him personally would know this. If you had an issue with the way things are being run, OP, it could have been handled with a lot more class and dignity

+1 Well said, Chris.

[speedo]

i think this thread had a point: it convinced me finally that i do need to pledge in order to show my support for this forum.
so, in a way, well don rolex junky!

[GradyPhilpott]

Could someone direct me to the thread announcing the JJ watch giveaway?

I'm a pledge member already, but I'd like to see something more concrete on the giveaway.

Thanks.

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Could someone direct me to the thread announcing the JJ watch giveaway?

I'm a pledge member already, but I'd like to see something more concrete on the giveaway.

Thanks.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=206532

[GradyPhilpott]

Thanks, Paul and to Stephen for helping out.

Grady

[stephentross]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=206532

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Thanks, Paul and to Stephen for helping out.

Grady

See that is what it is all about. Helping out. Happy this thread turned into a positive. Good job guys/gals

[perpetualman88]

#1 JJ would have been extremely happy to see a yachty ss/plt as part as a giveaway

#2 As far as most of us know JJ's family is not in debt or in need of funds to put food on there tables ect

#3 This site is expensive to run and I calculated it out, the "profits" after everything is said and done is very minimal and I personally couldnt be happier knowing its going towards the upkeep of one of my favorite places on the net

#4 why dont you get to know our community especially our mods before you blast them or their practices

#5 or we can give him one more chance

[GradyPhilpott]

I think the OP has a point, but what he perceives admin to be doing is not exactly what is being done.

The admin runs occasional giveaways in order to raise funds.

JJ was a beloved member of the board who loved his Yachtmaster.

This time the prize is a Yachtmaster.

Thus the connection between the watch and JJ.

JJ has become the "patron saint" of the board so to speak and we have a forum named after him and many members memorialize him in their signatures.

Having a fund raiser in his name under other circumstances might be viewed as chicanery, but on this forum, it seems only natural to correlate JJ's name with a giveaway of a watch model that was so beloved by our most beloved late member.

[threemonkeys]

Lorenzo - I've re-read your original posting many, many times. And I want to assume that you meant no malice in posing your question. And had you asked the same question in another forum regarding someone else, the responses may have been much different.

But you have to understand that this is JJ. And anything that could even be considered to question the integrity behind a contest giving reference to this man, is really beyond being insensitive. And your follow-up comments did nothing to help with this delicate situation. Based on the feedback from the members, it would probably be best if you give recognition to the pain you've caused to the group.

We all have made wrong comments at the wrong time. Sometimes a simple heart-felt apology can do wonders.

[The Joker]

Nicely said Paul, was hoping that Lorenzo was gonna come to his senses, and make a better apology than that after reading members responses. I hope he still does, because we can all make misjudgements (I'm a very forgiving person)

[wantonebad]

What the heck is it about the giveaways, somebody always has to try and mess it up!! I hate when ignorance has a big mouth!!

[Dan2010]

Originally Posted by wantonebad

What the heck is it about the giveaways, somebody always has to try and mess it up!! I hate when ignorance has a big mouth!!

Yes, always one person that feels the need to "ENLIGHTEN" us on the donation process.

[Dr.Brian]

The only thing I will add, other than noting that your posts are in extremely poor taste, is that you can be assured that JJ was approached many times while he was ill, by many members about raising money for him and his family, and he adamantly rejected the idea, including the idea of auctioning off his beloved Platty to the highest bidder. If he didn't want our help then, he wouldn't want it now.
He would be honored to be associated with the draw, and it's far more a way to honor and recognize a lost friend than a money making operation for the forum. I suspect that part of the reason for your post was ignorance of the history of past give aways and an ignorance of who JJ was and how he felt about the forum. The idea that Steve is trying to profit off of JJs name and our feelings for him is absolutely unfounded and ridiculous, not to mention offensive.
I'll try to refrain from commenting further.
If you feel the need to make a charitable donation in his honor, there are a number of well run cancer related organizations that would be happy to accept your donation.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

The only thing I will add, other than noting that your posts are in extremely poor taste, is that you can be assured that JJ was approached many times while he was ill, by many members about raising money for him and his family, and he adamantly rejected the idea, including the idea of auctioning off his beloved Platty to the highest bidder. If he didn't want our help then, he wouldn't want it now.
He would be honored to be associated with the draw, and it's far more a way to honor and recognize a lost friend than a money making operation for the forum. I suspect that part of the reason for your post was ignorance of the history of past give aways and an ignorance of who JJ was and how he felt about the forum. The idea that Steve is trying to profit off of JJs name and our feelings for him is absolutely unfounded and ridiculous, not to mention offensive.
I'll try to refrain from commenting further.
If you feel the need to make a charitable donation in his honor, there are a number of well run cancer related organizations that would be happy to accept your donation.

Well said Brian!

[perpetualman88]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

The only thing I will add, other than noting that your posts are in extremely poor taste, is that you can be assured that JJ was approached many times while he was ill, by many members about raising money for him and his family, and he adamantly rejected the idea, including the idea of auctioning off his beloved Platty to the highest bidder. If he didn't want our help then, he wouldn't want it now.
He would be honored to be associated with the draw, and it's far more a way to honor and recognize a lost friend than a money making operation for the forum. I suspect that part of the reason for your post was ignorance of the history of past give aways and an ignorance of who JJ was and how he felt about the forum. The idea that Steve is trying to profit off of JJs name and our feelings for him is absolutely unfounded and ridiculous, not to mention offensive.
I'll try to refrain from commenting further.
If you feel the need to make a charitable donation in his honor, there are a number of well run cancer related organizations that would be happy to accept your donation.

x3

[Lol-x]

I do have a regular job, I do get paid very well. That means I can easily afford to run this forum from my own pocket. Many people like to make donations such is their passion for this community.
I've never said the forum will close down if we don't have donations.
The forum is not in trade & commerce. There is no paid advertising in your face.
If a company took JJ and used him for example to sell Nike shirts that would be one thing. Here we are not selling anything. Here we are not using JJ in a commercial sense. It his not because of JJ that we can offer these giveaways, we've been doing these giveaways time and again and they are popular and enjoyable.

If you look carefully at the forum you will find several threads dedicated to the memory of JJ.

It's like some say...if you've got to ask...you'll never understand.

[316lad]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

I do have a regular job, I do get paid very well. That means I can easily afford to run this forum from my own pocket. Many people like to make donations such is their passion for this community.
I've never said the forum will close down if we don't have donations.
The forum is not in trade & commerce. There is no paid advertising in your face.
If a company took JJ and used him for example to sell Nike shirts that would be one thing. Here we are not selling anything. Here we are not using JJ in a commercial sense. It his not because of JJ that we can offer these giveaways, we've been doing these giveaways time and again and they are popular and enjoyable.

If you look carefully at the forum you will find several threads dedicated to the memory of JJ.

It's like some say...if you've got to ask...you'll never understand.

Well said Boss.

You're the man.

[Rolex Junky]

I did not intend to disrespect or question our facilitator's integrity; but I did.
I did not intentionally mean to hurt any of my fellow forum members; but I have.
I am astonished by some of the responses here. I guess I had it coming. I apologize for having stirred up so much anger and having caused so much grief.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Rolex Junky

I did not intend to disrespect or question our facilitator's integrity; but I did.
I did not intentionally mean to hurt any of my fellow forum members; but I have.
I am astonished by some of the responses here. I guess I had it coming. I apologize for having stirred up so much anger and having caused so much grief.

Good enough for me Lorenzo

If you have questions or suggestions further on this, I'm sure the mods will respect your PMs.

[Lol-x]

All this was entirely unnecessary and could have been avoided.

It does amount to a repudiation of ones entitlement to participation as a member of this community.

The nature of your apology indicates you don't resile from anything you have said.

[dalip]

Your last post Rolex Junky is not an apology but a denial. "I did not intend..." and "I am astonished by some of the responses..." are clear indicators of where you actually stand....and it is not in a place of meaningful apology. In fact your words signal a continued self righteous position.