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Earl · 2 July 2005, 12:26 AM

Well guys, I bought what I believed to be and I still don't know isn't a wounded/damaged Daytona 16520? Story is the watch was in police possion for awhile due to assult and failed robbery.
The insurance company took the watch after the courts conviced the guys. They wrote this guy a check for home damage and the watch due to this happened in his home. ( watch was tossed out a upper level apartment balcony window hit the street and was damanged <-- long story short) The insurance company called him up and offered him the watch back as salvage cost of $850.00 so, he bought it back.
He then says he brought it to a AD who had service techs on hand and they inspected it, told him it would be close to 4k to repair to Rolex spec's he took the watch back and said thank you. (I've not been able to get the back off but, I can tell you what ever the movement is it's trashed) Took it home and threw it into a drawer and forgot about it. His son is wanting to buy a car and needed items to sell asked dad what he would give up and hence the watch went on ebay. (I called and spoke to the dad and he told me the above story per say)
Today I'm going to take the watch to my watch repair guy who also has handled my other Rolex's to see what he say's. Guys I'm so up in the air about this watch being real I'm cross eyed

I have checked the web for all the known normal replica's and dial wise it's a Rolex. I looked between the lugs and I don't see any serial numbers or model number. (this scares me) The band is a Daytona style band but, I don't have a warm and fuzzy on the 78628 stamped on the band near the end links.
I'll get you a follow-up on this as I find out more

padi56 · 2 July 2005, 12:47 AM

Dont sound to good to me,with no serial or model numbers beween lugs.Think ref for the bracelet should be 78490 SS

Rockrolex · 2 July 2005, 01:05 AM

Should we ask what kind of a deal you got on this possible Daytona, Earl? Or is that too gouche?

dman · 2 July 2005, 01:05 AM

Keep us informed Earl, hope it is a true gem when this is all finished pal!!

Uncle-AJ · 2 July 2005, 01:43 AM

I'm holding my breath Earl.

Earl · 2 July 2005, 03:42 AM

Well guys, no need to hold your breath or the gem polishing cloth Grrrrrrrr. Took it to my watch guy who unscrewed the back and said this is no Rolex good fake though and nor is the band Rolex. I'm now in the process of trying to contact him in Phoenix AZ (if he by chance sent the wrong watch ?!*\#)

Guys, I've always been good at makeing the con artist but, this guy ..... Well lets hope I have a happy ending on this. I'll keep you all posted.... LoL 1 hellofa way to start my 4th of July weekend !

Uncle-AJ · 2 July 2005, 04:33 AM

Just took a long breath..................sorry to hear of your plight, I hope you get it sorted out soon.

alpet · 2 July 2005, 04:52 AM

Sorry to hear that Earl! Hope you get it cleard up soon!!

JJ Irani · 2 July 2005, 06:38 AM

Sheessh, that is terrible news, Earl. What can I say except to wish you the very best in sorting out this mess asap!

Mark · 2 July 2005, 09:25 AM

Man that sucks big !

The world is full of low life scum that do nothing but lie, cheat and steal. It's ashame.

Gunther · 2 July 2005, 03:57 PM

Earl,
I usually don't announce this, but I feel the time has come to let the cat out of the bag.
When I was a youngster, I went into the service of our Uncle. He found that I had a certain aptitude for some things. As luck would have it, after years of training and action, I am no longer able to work for Uncle Lucky. But on rare occasions I offer these services to friends at a reduced rate. If you feel the need arises I'll fly down and pay him a terminal visit.

I hope all turns out well for you!

Gun

Uncle-AJ · 2 July 2005, 11:15 PM

I hope you don't think I'm Brent's uncle, well I am but unofficially.

Earl · 4 July 2005, 12:04 AM

Thanks for all your replys, damn I wish we had someone who live's close to Pheonix, AZ.

Well, I took the watch down to Fredricksburg, VA, to travel 30 miles it took me 2 hours due to the holiday traffic. Once there and inside the AD of Crown Jewery I handed the package over the Mr Sale who inspected the watch and then took it into the back. When he returned he stated, I'm sorry this is not a Rolex watch fonts on dial are light although good and there are no serial nor model numbers stamped between the lugs. I asked would he be able to give me a estimate on what it would cost to bring it back to Rolex standards (I know at this point it's not real) he said to buy a Rolex Daytona!

So, I'm not the great reader of people I thought I was and buy the buyer did not work this time as I bought him "Hook, Line, and Sinker".

Now it's figure out how to resolve this issue. By the way guys, it's only money and there are more important things in life then to stress myself over being taken for a ride on a Rolex but, this issue is not over yet.

Happy 4th of July everyone and thanks to all our global members for their good wishes to us on this day! YeeeeHa Lets Party!

Uncle-AJ · 4 July 2005, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl

Happy 4th of July everyone and thanks to all our global members for their good wishes to us on this day! YeeeeHa Lets Party!

Earl, I know it's no consolation but have a drink on me.

Earl · 6 July 2005, 01:40 AM

Thanks all for your support

In what talking I've done with this guy I'm the bad guy, he says I switch his Rolex for a POS and I now am going to try and scam him out or the money I paid him.

I've so far, taken the watch to 2 watch repair guys, 1 who did the work on my vintage he told me stright up it was fake, the other was an AD who looked at it Saturday and said the same thing but, would not give me in writting that it was fake. Told me to send to Rolex service Center and he was sure they would give paper.

Anyway, this guy does not want to return my money since it is now in his pocket and I have possession of the POS fake. So, since I do have it I'm going to contact the Attorney General in Phoenix and ask them what I can do about this Fraud which occured in their city and used UPS mail to carry it out. Which btw, is a White collar crime known as Mail Fraud. Since he don't want to give me back my money and cut his scam losses, well I'll see what I can do about it.

Anyone with any better idea's?

btw Adrian

I had a few of them over the past 4 days Hic!

Uncle-AJ · 6 July 2005, 02:55 AM

Good on you Earl.

As for better Ideas...............contact Gunther.

Earl · 6 July 2005, 05:41 AM

Thanks Adrian I'll keep Gunther in mind ;)

maverick · 11 July 2005, 07:45 AM

Sorry to hear your watch was a fake. :-( As They say, "Buy the seller." I hope the scum goes to jail. Good luck, =) maverick

Earl · 13 July 2005, 09:30 AM

Well, I have found after calling the Attorney General and they transfering me to the complaints department and they in turn via a recording said they were very busy and directed me to their web site, then calling an attorney and they telling me that I might be able to file a small claims on it.... in trying to reach the individual .. the PCS # your trying to reach is tempararely out of service for the last 6 days? Maverick I did buy the seller! and he sold me a bill of fake rolex.. I'm no newbie on buying them... but, feel like it atm LoL

dman · 13 July 2005, 09:37 AM

This really sucks Earl!!

wetowne · 13 July 2005, 10:05 AM

Earl,
If you bought the watch on Ebay did you use PayPal funded with your credit card? If you did you maybe able to do a "chargeback", PayPal usually sides with the buyer in almost all cases. Good Luck!

Earl · 13 July 2005, 07:41 PM

It was listed on ebay but, he pulled it as I sent a chashiers check befor the auction was over. Howerver, I did file a report with the link ebay offers with the internet fraud will just have to wait and see.. will post some pictures later today of the fake. The first is his picture of the fake.. the rest are ones I took.

abigsecret · 12 September 2007, 09:27 AM

I was going thru some old posts... ans I found this one!
Earl, did you ever get to a close on this?

2 July 2005, 12:26 AM	#1
Earl "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Who Me? Location: Northern Virginia Watch: out Posts: 4,616	My questionable Daytona arrived yesterday Well guys, I bought what I believed to be and I still don't know isn't a wounded/damaged Daytona 16520? Story is the watch was in police possion for awhile due to assult and failed robbery. The insurance company took the watch after the courts conviced the guys. They wrote this guy a check for home damage and the watch due to this happened in his home. ( watch was tossed out a upper level apartment balcony window hit the street and was damanged <-- long story short) The insurance company called him up and offered him the watch back as salvage cost of $850.00 so, he bought it back. He then says he brought it to a AD who had service techs on hand and they inspected it, told him it would be close to 4k to repair to Rolex spec's he took the watch back and said thank you. (I've not been able to get the back off but, I can tell you what ever the movement is it's trashed) Took it home and threw it into a drawer and forgot about it. His son is wanting to buy a car and needed items to sell asked dad what he would give up and hence the watch went on ebay. (I called and spoke to the dad and he told me the above story per say) Today I'm going to take the watch to my watch repair guy who also has handled my other Rolex's to see what he say's. Guys I'm so up in the air about this watch being real I'm cross eyed I have checked the web for all the known normal replica's and dial wise it's a Rolex. I looked between the lugs and I don't see any serial numbers or model number. (this scares me) The band is a Daytona style band but, I don't have a warm and fuzzy on the 78628 stamped on the band near the end links. I'll get you a follow-up on this as I find out more

2 July 2005, 01:05 AM	#3
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,967	Should we ask what kind of a deal you got on this possible Daytona, Earl? Or is that too gouche? __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

2 July 2005, 03:57 PM	#11
Gunther Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Right behind you! Posts: 70	Time for some "service" Earl, I usually don't announce this, but I feel the time has come to let the cat out of the bag. When I was a youngster, I went into the service of our Uncle. He found that I had a certain aptitude for some things. As luck would have it, after years of training and action, I am no longer able to work for Uncle Lucky. But on rare occasions I offer these services to friends at a reduced rate. If you feel the need arises I'll fly down and pay him a terminal visit. I hope all turns out well for you! Gun

13 July 2005, 09:37 AM	#20
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	This really sucks Earl!! __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

13 July 2005, 07:41 PM	#22
Earl "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Who Me? Location: Northern Virginia Watch: out Posts: 4,616	It was listed on ebay but, he pulled it as I sent a chashiers check befor the auction was over. Howerver, I did file a report with the link ebay offers with the internet fraud will just have to wait and see.. will post some pictures later today of the fake. The first is his picture of the fake.. the rest are ones I took. Attached Images

2 July 2005, 12:47 AM	#2
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,062	Dont sound to good to me,with no serial or model numbers beween lugs.Think ref for the bracelet should be 78490 SS

2 July 2005, 01:43 AM	#5
Uncle-AJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Real Name: Adrian Location: Bolton, UK. Watch: Daytona 116520 Posts: 6,844	I'm holding my breath Earl.

2 July 2005, 03:42 AM	#6
Earl "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Who Me? Location: Northern Virginia Watch: out Posts: 4,616	Well guys, no need to hold your breath or the gem polishing cloth Grrrrrrrr. Took it to my watch guy who unscrewed the back and said this is no Rolex good fake though and nor is the band Rolex. I'm now in the process of trying to contact him in Phoenix AZ (if he by chance sent the wrong watch ?!*\#) Guys, I've always been good at makeing the con artist but, this guy ..... Well lets hope I have a happy ending on this. I'll keep you all posted.... LoL 1 hellofa way to start my 4th of July weekend !

2 July 2005, 04:33 AM	#7
Uncle-AJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Real Name: Adrian Location: Bolton, UK. Watch: Daytona 116520 Posts: 6,844	Just took a long breath..................sorry to hear of your plight, I hope you get it sorted out soon.

2 July 2005, 04:52 AM	#8
alpet Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Alex Location: New York Watch: me carefully Posts: 377	Sorry to hear that Earl! Hope you get it cleard up soon!!

2 July 2005, 06:38 AM	#9
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Sheessh, that is terrible news, Earl. What can I say except to wish you the very best in sorting out this mess asap!

2 July 2005, 09:25 AM	#10
Mark TRF Founder Join Date: Nov 2004 Real Name: Mark Location: Florida Watch: PAM 187 / SS LV Posts: 719	Man that sucks big ! The world is full of low life scum that do nothing but lie, cheat and steal. It's ashame.

2 July 2005, 11:15 PM	#12
Uncle-AJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Real Name: Adrian Location: Bolton, UK. Watch: Daytona 116520 Posts: 6,844	I hope you don't think I'm Brent's uncle, well I am but unofficially.

4 July 2005, 12:04 AM	#13
Earl "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Who Me? Location: Northern Virginia Watch: out Posts: 4,616	Thanks for all your replys, damn I wish we had someone who live's close to Pheonix, AZ. Well, I took the watch down to Fredricksburg, VA, to travel 30 miles it took me 2 hours due to the holiday traffic. Once there and inside the AD of Crown Jewery I handed the package over the Mr Sale who inspected the watch and then took it into the back. When he returned he stated, I'm sorry this is not a Rolex watch fonts on dial are light although good and there are no serial nor model numbers stamped between the lugs. I asked would he be able to give me a estimate on what it would cost to bring it back to Rolex standards (I know at this point it's not real) he said to buy a Rolex Daytona! So, I'm not the great reader of people I thought I was and buy the buyer did not work this time as I bought him "Hook, Line, and Sinker". Now it's figure out how to resolve this issue. By the way guys, it's only money and there are more important things in life then to stress myself over being taken for a ride on a Rolex but, this issue is not over yet. Happy 4th of July everyone and thanks to all our global members for their good wishes to us on this day! YeeeeHa Lets Party!

6 July 2005, 01:40 AM	#15
Earl "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Who Me? Location: Northern Virginia Watch: out Posts: 4,616	Thanks all for your support In what talking I've done with this guy I'm the bad guy, he says I switch his Rolex for a POS and I now am going to try and scam him out or the money I paid him. I've so far, taken the watch to 2 watch repair guys, 1 who did the work on my vintage he told me stright up it was fake, the other was an AD who looked at it Saturday and said the same thing but, would not give me in writting that it was fake. Told me to send to Rolex service Center and he was sure they would give paper. Anyway, this guy does not want to return my money since it is now in his pocket and I have possession of the POS fake. So, since I do have it I'm going to contact the Attorney General in Phoenix and ask them what I can do about this Fraud which occured in their city and used UPS mail to carry it out. Which btw, is a White collar crime known as Mail Fraud. Since he don't want to give me back my money and cut his scam losses, well I'll see what I can do about it. Anyone with any better idea's? btw Adrian I had a few of them over the past 4 days Hic!

6 July 2005, 02:55 AM	#16
Uncle-AJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Real Name: Adrian Location: Bolton, UK. Watch: Daytona 116520 Posts: 6,844	Good on you Earl. As for better Ideas...............contact Gunther.

6 July 2005, 05:41 AM	#17
Earl "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Who Me? Location: Northern Virginia Watch: out Posts: 4,616	Thanks Adrian I'll keep Gunther in mind ;)

11 July 2005, 07:45 AM	#18
maverick Banned Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: maverick Location: Prescott Watch: Rolex Posts: 1,180	Sorry to hear your watch was a fake. :-( As They say, "Buy the seller." I hope the scum goes to jail. Good luck, =) maverick

13 July 2005, 09:30 AM	#19
Earl "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Who Me? Location: Northern Virginia Watch: out Posts: 4,616	Well, I have found after calling the Attorney General and they transfering me to the complaints department and they in turn via a recording said they were very busy and directed me to their web site, then calling an attorney and they telling me that I might be able to file a small claims on it.... in trying to reach the individual .. the PCS # your trying to reach is tempararely out of service for the last 6 days? Maverick I did buy the seller! and he sold me a bill of fake rolex.. I'm no newbie on buying them... but, feel like it atm LoL

13 July 2005, 10:05 AM	#21
wetowne Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 19	Earl, If you bought the watch on Ebay did you use PayPal funded with your credit card? If you did you maybe able to do a "chargeback", PayPal usually sides with the buyer in almost all cases. Good Luck!

12 September 2007, 09:27 AM	#23
abigsecret "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Mireyna Location: s o t r Watch: your back! Posts: 2,282	I was going thru some old posts... ans I found this one! Earl, did you ever get to a close on this? __________________ #6267 He who knows no foreign language does not know his own.-Goethe

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