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Chopped54 · 12 October 2012, 09:06 PM

....well I am in one of those situations.
I had a guy contact me about a motorcycle I had listed wanting to trade a M serialed DSSD for it.
Came out last night and looked at the bike, wants to do the trade, left the watch with me to get it checked out today. It is worn for sure.
Being somewhat close to the Dallas RSC I am going to try my damndest to make it today.

Thoughts???

JustMee · 12 October 2012, 09:46 PM

i Believe its fake tbh.

mjclark32 · 12 October 2012, 09:49 PM

Doesn't look right to me, but I'm far from an expert

Blong · 12 October 2012, 09:56 PM

It's got the long E's on the case.... I have often seen that indicates a fake

TPLGT · 12 October 2012, 09:58 PM

Let us know what happens..

Lgear080 · 12 October 2012, 10:01 PM

You took a watch without confirming authenticity?
You gave the guy a perfectly good motorcycle?

Chopped54 · 12 October 2012, 10:06 PM

Thanks for the responses so far.
I have had a couple of people try and sell/trade me fakes and I just Googled the serial and it got hits all over the place. I got nothing back on this one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lgear080

You took a watch without confirming authenticity?
You gave the guy a perfectly good motorcycle?

No, I have the motorcycle and the watch.

Monte Cristo · 12 October 2012, 10:22 PM

You've obviously taken the case back off, so any pics of the movement?

TattooedGQ · 12 October 2012, 10:28 PM

It might be the lighting, but shouldn't the Ti Back be a darker shade?

masterserg · 12 October 2012, 10:38 PM

I don't like it. I would play it safe and run. Sell the bike and get a deepsea from a trusted seller here.

crowncollection · 12 October 2012, 10:43 PM

It's fake for many reasons

Chopped54 · 12 October 2012, 10:56 PM

Thanks again guys, I think ya'll have confirmed what I was already feeling.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monte Cristo

You've obviously taken the case back off, so any pics of the movement?

I do not have the tools to remove case backs.

watch watcher · 12 October 2012, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopped54

I do not have the tools to remove case backs.

So waht's that shiny round thing on the left in one of those pics?

MonBK · 12 October 2012, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watch watcher

So waht's that shiny round thing on the left in one of those pics?

Looks like a no thread fake caseback to me.

Chopped54 · 12 October 2012, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watch watcher

So waht's that shiny round thing on the left in one of those pics?

Top to a little plastic container that I put exra links and screws in. I put the spring bars in so I do not lose them when I had the bracelet off.

Chopped54 · 12 October 2012, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

Looks like a no thread fake caseback to me.

It's clear.

I am not on here posting a watch I KNOW is fake trying to troll. I posted a legitmate thread.

Knappo 1307 · 12 October 2012, 11:30 PM

Just make a quick trip to the RSC in Dallas and have them confirm... Easy

TattooedGQ · 12 October 2012, 11:40 PM

Won't they take the watch if it's fake? Then all hell's going to break loose with the owner of the watch saying you "stole it"

Chopped54 · 12 October 2012, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TattooedGQ

Won't they take the watch if it's fake? Then all hell's going to break loose with the owner of the watch saying you "stole it"

He knows I am taking it, but not sure if he is aware they would take it.
I have a jewler close that will take the caseback off so I can for sure do that at lunch.
I am not sold that it is fake, but still not 100% it is legit. I am not an expert by any means, but also not a complete dumb ass. If this is a fake it is scary....

TattooedGQ · 13 October 2012, 12:14 AM

There are quite a few threads on here how good the knock-off DSSD's are....be careful.

Knappo 1307 · 13 October 2012, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TattooedGQ

Won't they take the watch if it's fake? Then all hell's going to break loose with the owner of the watch saying you "stole it"

Good point...

Knappo 1307 · 13 October 2012, 12:33 AM

I guess if you took it to the RSC, you would have to bring the owner with you. If you took it to a AD, it may not be a bad idea to bring him there also.

alexthegreat123 · 13 October 2012, 12:56 AM

100% Fake....

Brian J · 13 October 2012, 12:57 AM

The fact that the guy left the watch with you and got nothing in return is a big red flag to me. I too have heard there are lots of DSSD good enough to fool a trained eye. Proceed with caution on this one.

Let us know how it plays out.

PcarSBA · 13 October 2012, 01:02 AM

I thought the rehaut lettering was supposed to be painted onto the ring. In your picture it looks engraved....

Read the sticky "beware" thread, it has great details on this model http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=104730&page=6

springer · 13 October 2012, 01:13 AM

Chopped, don't waste any more of your time. The watch is 100% counterfeit - 100%!

Baco Noir · 13 October 2012, 01:34 AM

So even if it is real, what if it's stolen and then in a few years you send it in for service and viola - it's confiscated! Like others, the fact that he left it with you with no collateral is a huge red flag to me. Would you do that for him? I wouldn't.

Chopped54 · 13 October 2012, 01:38 AM

So I took it to the jeweler which was no help, and actually just made me laugh. The brother that I typically work with was not there, and the jack hole that was there barely even came out of his hole.
I told him I had some concerns about the authenticity of the watch as I was taking it off my wrist. He said oh it is fake as he turned to go back to whatever he was doing. I asked how he could tell to which he replied, "A real Submariner has a magnifying glass on the date". I told him this was not a sub but a Deepsea. His response, then it is for sure a fake because Rolex never made that model.

So this became a bigger headache and with the advice and the thread posted above I am now convienced it is a knock off. It is scary good.
It is not a bad deal in the end, I am not out anything and was not really looking for a DSSD although it would have been nice.

THANKS GUY!!!!

Chopped54 · 13 October 2012, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yellowdog

So even if it is real, what if it's stolen and then in a few years you send it in for service and viola - it's confiscated! Like others, the fact that he left it with you with no collateral is a huge red flag to me. Would you do that for him? I wouldn't.

He came to my house so no hiding from him, but hind-sight knowing it is fake he did not have much to lose and around $8500 to gain if it panned out.

GradyPhilpott · 13 October 2012, 01:41 AM

It's blatantly fake--butt-ugly fake.

12 October 2012, 09:06 PM	#1
Chopped54 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: DFW Watch: 116520, 116610lv, Posts: 432	Buy the seller, not the watch.... ....well I am in one of those situations. I had a guy contact me about a motorcycle I had listed wanting to trade a M serialed DSSD for it. Came out last night and looked at the bike, wants to do the trade, left the watch with me to get it checked out today. It is worn for sure. Being somewhat close to the Dallas RSC I am going to try my damndest to make it today. Thoughts???

12 October 2012, 09:49 PM	#3
mjclark32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: MJC Location: PHL USA Watch: IWC, Rolex, AP Posts: 29,232	Doesn't look right to me, but I'm far from an expert __________________

12 October 2012, 09:58 PM	#5
TPLGT "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: jax beach, FL Posts: 187	Let us know what happens.. __________________ A few watches: Tag Heuer F1 Chrono, Timex Digital, Lumiox, Nixon, Rolex GMT IIc, Omega Seamaster Chronograph

12 October 2012, 10:22 PM	#8
Monte Cristo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Sydney Watch: ing you... Posts: 3,775	You've obviously taken the case back off, so any pics of the movement? __________________ 'I am easily satisfied with the very best' - Winston Churchill

12 October 2012, 10:28 PM	#9
TattooedGQ "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Justin Location: NY, USA Watch: yo self! Posts: 2,686	It might be the lighting, but shouldn't the Ti Back be a darker shade? __________________ That boy's got the Devil in him. Rolex: I think I'm up to 9?? Omega: Got a few of those too. Breitling: And some of these.

12 October 2012, 09:46 PM	#2
JustMee Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Georg Location: Norway Watch: Rolex Datejust Posts: 39	i Believe its fake tbh.

12 October 2012, 09:56 PM	#4
Blong "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Brian Location: Manhattan Watch: 116520 Black Posts: 287	It's got the long E's on the case.... I have often seen that indicates a fake

12 October 2012, 10:01 PM	#6
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	You took a watch without confirming authenticity? You gave the guy a perfectly good motorcycle?

12 October 2012, 10:38 PM	#10
masterserg "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Serg Location: US of A Watch: AP Posts: 7,437	I don't like it. I would play it safe and run. Sell the bike and get a deepsea from a trusted seller here. __________________ How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat????

12 October 2012, 10:43 PM	#11
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	It's fake for many reasons __________________ watches many

12 October 2012, 11:30 PM	#17
Knappo 1307 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Sea Dweller Posts: 8,561	Just make a quick trip to the RSC in Dallas and have them confirm... Easy

12 October 2012, 11:40 PM	#18
TattooedGQ "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Justin Location: NY, USA Watch: yo self! Posts: 2,686	Won't they take the watch if it's fake? Then all hell's going to break loose with the owner of the watch saying you "stole it" __________________ That boy's got the Devil in him. Rolex: I think I'm up to 9?? Omega: Got a few of those too. Breitling: And some of these.

13 October 2012, 12:14 AM	#20
TattooedGQ "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Justin Location: NY, USA Watch: yo self! Posts: 2,686	There are quite a few threads on here how good the knock-off DSSD's are....be careful. __________________ That boy's got the Devil in him. Rolex: I think I'm up to 9?? Omega: Got a few of those too. Breitling: And some of these.

13 October 2012, 12:33 AM	#22
Knappo 1307 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Sea Dweller Posts: 8,561	I guess if you took it to the RSC, you would have to bring the owner with you. If you took it to a AD, it may not be a bad idea to bring him there also.

13 October 2012, 12:56 AM	#23
alexthegreat123 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Alex Location: Cincinnati, OH Watch: GMT 16710 w/ 3186 Posts: 8,411	100% Fake.... __________________ GMT Master II 16710 w/3186 "M" Coke SeaDweller 16600 "M"

13 October 2012, 12:57 AM	#24
Brian J Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Minnesota Watch: Rolex and Tudor Posts: 369	The fact that the guy left the watch with you and got nothing in return is a big red flag to me. I too have heard there are lots of DSSD good enough to fool a trained eye. Proceed with caution on this one. Let us know how it plays out.

13 October 2012, 01:02 AM	#25
PcarSBA "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Santa Barbara Watch: IWC, Jaeger, Rolex Posts: 123	I thought the rehaut lettering was supposed to be painted onto the ring. In your picture it looks engraved.... Read the sticky "beware" thread, it has great details on this model http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=104730&page=6

13 October 2012, 01:13 AM	#26
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	Chopped, don't waste any more of your time. The watch is 100% counterfeit - 100%! __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

13 October 2012, 01:34 AM	#27
Baco Noir "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Roger Location: Colorado Watch: this ya'll Posts: 4,973	So even if it is real, what if it's stolen and then in a few years you send it in for service and viola - it's confiscated! Like others, the fact that he left it with you with no collateral is a huge red flag to me. Would you do that for him? I wouldn't. __________________ Current Collection: Rolex 126619LB, 116710BLNR, and 216570 polar Explorer II; Omega Apollo 8 Speedmaster and Planet Ocean 42; Tudor BB Bronze Bucherer Blue Edition; Nomos Neomatik 42; Breitling Aerospace, Avenger Blackbird, & SuperOcean 44; Doxa 300 Pro Carbon; Stowa Limette; Laco Napa Flieger; Mickey Mouse Timex Electric; and dare I say it...an Apple Watch too

13 October 2012, 01:38 AM	#28
Chopped54 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: DFW Watch: 116520, 116610lv, Posts: 432	So I took it to the jeweler which was no help, and actually just made me laugh. The brother that I typically work with was not there, and the jack hole that was there barely even came out of his hole. I told him I had some concerns about the authenticity of the watch as I was taking it off my wrist. He said oh it is fake as he turned to go back to whatever he was doing. I asked how he could tell to which he replied, "A real Submariner has a magnifying glass on the date". I told him this was not a sub but a Deepsea. His response, then it is for sure a fake because Rolex never made that model. So this became a bigger headache and with the advice and the thread posted above I am now convienced it is a knock off. It is scary good. It is not a bad deal in the end, I am not out anything and was not really looking for a DSSD although it would have been nice. THANKS GUY!!!!

13 October 2012, 01:41 AM	#30
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK047 Posts: 34,460	It's blatantly fake--butt-ugly fake. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

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