AP RO 41mm

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by vpr80

I would actually say that most of the responses have been pretty accurate and not that pretentious until you exhibited your own immaturity. Most people here own both Rolex and AP and enjoy both for different reasons which were explained to you. You simply cannot appreciate AP and it's differences.

While I have no doubt whatsoever that the RO would serve you perfectly well and you would really enjoy it, based on your responses, you should stick to Rolex because buying the AP will be a waste of money if you cannot appreciate it.

I love my AP and it literally puts a smile on my face every single time that I take off a Rolex after trying one on (trying to convince myself that I need at least one in the collection) and put the AP back on.

+1
Very well put. The OP is being very immature with his response, when we were only trying to help him understand the brand and answer his questions.. Clearly he doesn't want to appreciate a watch any more for than it just telling time..

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by mb23

Very well put, I agree with this. As for the yearly production TSW is spot on, the goal in the future is to try and push to 30k.

I myself could never compare Rolex to an AP, mass produced to hand finished, no comparison.

And I have gone swimming with a 15400, no problems at all, some people have gone swimming with 15202's which is even thinner.

My mistake about production.

[kmleffler]

Originally Posted by SubKing

you don't find that big of a difference between AP and Rolex?

then I agree with you 100% that AP is not the watch for you...

i compare AP to a ferrari no matter the model, they are hand made hand finished watches with amazing detail.. while AP makes only about 40 thousand watches a year compared to rolex at about a million.. different watches.. different production, different detail, different finish different style..

That's 13k you're paying for a stainless steel non chrono AP watch.. for that price you can have a two tone rolex with diamonds...

for a standard STEEL AP ROO is 28 to 30k.. myfriend you can have a rolex gold daydate for that price... prices are completely different..

as many have mentioned in this thread... the finishings on an AP are not as tool watch like and more prone to show damage to that of a Rolex which it's finish is not as complex..

i do agree that it is all relative as to how you wear your watch..

but to answer your question that you wanted to know if "AP is a watch you can do anything in" no it's not.. when you say anything, that implies anything goes.. That's when I would think to myself, A rolex would be a better watch for the job..

reasons being, less can go wrong with a rolex, cheaper to fix and service, cheaper parts if something gets damaged etc.. AP's are not dive watches UNLESS YOU GET A AP DIVER then you're talking $$$ above 13k. they can take a jump in the pool no problem, but if that's what you're concerned about then get a deepsea rolex..

im pretty sure standard service for AP non chronos start at around 1800 USD..

standard service for a rolex starts at around 500 to 700 bucks.

So when I say less can go wrong with a rolex, that's exactly what I mean when I talk about more delicate of a finish among other things with that of an AP.

the military uses rolex subs for years for a reason.. never heard of the military using AP's..

I don't want to make AP's sound weak by anymeans.. they are very strong watches, but with you're original post and what you're looking for, i don't think it's for you per say.

But IMO, rolex is a better watch that "you can do anything in" like a sub or something along those lines that can take years of lickens and keep on tickens.

As far as I know the United States military does not supply any of their people with Rolex watches. The Rolex DSSD costs almost $13,000 and it has the same movement as the Sub and it is SS. I have owned Rolex watches since 1969 and I would rather own an AP. I think their movements are superior. I currently own a Seiko Spring Drive GMT which IMHO has a better movement then Rolex.

[Submarino]

Glad that not everyone wants an AP, therefore, more exclusivity for the brand and more watches for us AP lovers to buy!!!

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by kmleffler

As far as I know the United States military does not supply any of their people with Rolex watches. The Rolex DSSD costs almost $13,000 and it has the same movement as the Sub and it is SS. I have owned Rolex watches since 1969 and I would rather own an AP. I think their movements are superior. I currently own a Seiko Spring Drive GMT which IMHO has a better movement then Rolex.

In terms of military watches I'm speaking not just in the USA but in terms of the entire world and over the last 50+ years.. T dial Rolex subs with fixed spring bars were a top choice at one point for other military uses in the world that were made and moded special for army military use. Rolex has done a lot with different groups over the years.. Even the comex subs that were branded that name on the dial says something special about the capabilities of the submariner and the history of it.

At the end of the day I love almost all brands and respect their area's that they are most strong in.
That's what makes brands different and sets them apart.

In response to the deepsea which I also own but at the time I purchased it cost under 10k
The deepsea is a very special dive watch and you're paying for the purpose it serves.

At the end of the day there is no arguing that you get more bang for your buck with Rolex...
Now quality and detail, AP takes that to a much higher level, but with that comes a price.
I love Ap and Rolex and own both.

For 13k I just purchased a TT ceramic sub factory diamond dial.. You could never buy an AP for that price that has gold and diamonds...

For a RG ROO is 55,500 usd vs a Rolex daydate that has more gold on it for 35k usd

[superdog]

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

Judging an entire watch brand that sells 20k+ watches a year based on what you read into the forum posts of a couple of people on the Rolex forum is illogical.

This I agree with.

Won't really bother responding specifically to the others. It's as if some of these guys are just upset that someone doesn't appreciate what they do in a watch. I genuinely feel bad for some of you guys.

Enjoy your watch, it's clearly great for you. And I'm glad for you. But let go of the need to be liked. Enjoy what you enjoy.

We are not on the sand box anymore.

[Submarino]

Originally Posted by superdog

This I agree with.

Won't really bother responding specifically to the others. It's as if some of these guys are just upset that someone doesn't appreciate what they do in a watch. I genuinely feel bad for some of you guys.

I sense a lot of anger on the very last sentence. We all get along here on TRF regardless of our different opinions and points of view around watches. We like treating everyone with respect and kindness. I don't understand why the attacks. Looks like unfortunately you are not willing to play nice in the sandbox.

Dear moderators, perhaps is time to close this thread and have everyone move on.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by superdog

This I agree with.

Won't really bother responding specifically to the others. It's as if some of these guys are just upset that someone doesn't appreciate what they do in a watch. I genuinely feel bad for some of you guys.

Enjoy your watch, it's clearly great for you. And I'm glad for you. But let go of the need to be liked. Enjoy what you enjoy.

We are not on the sand box anymore.

Wow what a classless thing to say

We are talking about watches and you keep posting rude insults and attacks to members and myself included.. Obviously you have know idea what this forum is about... Let me educate you since you have not been around here that long..

This forum is about more than just watches... I know to you that's what it's about based on all your incredibly rude and disrespectful comments..

This forum is about friendship, it's also about a connection you can make with complete strangers from all over the world.

I myself am not concerned about saying things Inorder to be liked around here as you put it..

This forums is one of the best forums around with such friendly people..
So again, why is it you feel sorry for us? Because we enjoy ourselves here?

You asked for our opinion and then argued with everyone.. Then you ended it with insults. Not a nice thing to do here. We are all friends and all on the same side..

[tifosi]

This thread started off as a good topic. It went downhill fast. Not too many threads go this route around here. I don't like it...

[superdog]

Lol, u guys are a riot. Have you read some of ur responses? Can't see where I attacked anyone personally. But if I were you, I'd probably look deeper into myself to see where my own feelings were coming from.

And no need to close the thread, personally I'm done here.



I genuinely wish nothing but the best for all of you.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by superdog

I genuinely feel bad for some of you guys.

But let go of the need to be liked. Enjoy what you enjoy.

We are not on the sand box anymore.

Originally Posted by superdog

I've got to tell you boys: this appears to be the most pretentious group of responses I think I have ever seen on a single thread. Clearly not all of them, but as a whole it sure appears that way to me.

For that reason more than anything else, this brand is just not for me.

hmmmm geeeeez, i wonder how you could think this isn't insulting?

we were talking about audemars piguet and all of a sudden you post this kind of stuff?

at what point did I myself post anything like that?

up until you posted your rude responses, everything was going well..

when you ask a bunch of watch enthusiasts a question about audemars in an audemars section, then we give you detailed respectful answers, then you say you don't like the brand because we turned you off, I mean were is the logic to that?

why even bother anymore.. this obviously will not sink in with you and me having to defend myself for trying to help you is ridiculous.

oh and why is it you feel bad for us? because we enjoy our time spent here?

[TSW]

Originally Posted by SubKing

Wow, thomas I just learned something new.. 23-25 thousand pieces a year?

thats not very much at all... that goes to show just how much time they take on each and every piece that comes out of their house..

That's why many AD's are not having full displays, Their new CEO Mr. Bennahamias has great plans for the brand starting too push down the points of sales from 560 to 300 which will mean a lot more watches per AD

[TSW]

Originally Posted by Submarino

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[TSW]

Ouch this thread didn't end happy

Every one is entitled to have a opinion and no AP is not for everyone just like Hublot is not for me

Let's keep it fun in our favorite part of TRF

[vpr80]

Originally Posted by TSW

Every one is entitled to have a opinion and no AP is not for everyone just like Hublot is not for me

The misaligned screws on the bezel complete kill it for my OCD self

[Peppers90]

Originally Posted by TSW

Ouch this thread didn't end happy

Every one is entitled to have a opinion and no AP is not for everyone just like Hublot is not for me

Let's keep it fun in our favorite part of TRF

x2

[TSW]

Originally Posted by vpr80

The misaligned screws on the bezel complete kill it for my OCD self

Then you have seen a fake, All AP's have aligned screws on the bezel.

[vpr80]

I meant the screws on the Hublot not being aligned like AP.

[mb23]

I honestly think that the thread was started with good intent, but by the thread starters second response he had already given up his want for the brand. It kind of came out of left field really, it seems that you became annoyed because people spoke negatively about Rolex.

I hope that wasn't the case, I am sure everyone was only trying to help.

[TSW]

Originally Posted by vpr80

I meant the screws on the Hublot not being aligned like AP.

Then we are on the same track

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by mb23

I honestly think that the thread was started with good intent, but by the thread starters second response he had already given up his want for the brand. It kind of came out of left field really, it seems that you became annoyed because people spoke negatively about Rolex.

I hope that wasn't the case, I am sure everyone was only trying to help.

i hope you don't think I was speaking negatively about rolex? I don't think I saw anything negative said about rolex in this thread? was just trying to state production facts and over all compare the two brands and what makes them different..

Love rolex. always have always will

[T.S.Eliot]

Thank God AP is not for everyone. They are fabulously detailed and finished timepieces in the ranks of PP and VC to be worn, enjoyed and appreciated.

From your analogy, you expect all watches to be tool watches. A DD can't handle the extreme elements as the Sub C for example.

What attracted you to AP in the 1st place?

[mb23]

Originally Posted by SubKing

i hope you don't think I was speaking negatively about rolex? I don't think I saw anything negative said about rolex. was just trying to state production facts and over all compare the two brands and what makes them different..

Love rolex. always have always will

No not at all, I just think maybe it was taken that way. I think maybe it might have been taken that way because I really can't see any other reason to attack us?

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by mb23

no not at all, i just think maybe it was taken that way. I think maybe it might have been taken that way because i really can't see any other reason to attack us?

Originally Posted by t.s.eliot

thank god ap is not for everyone. They are fabulously detailed and finished timepieces in the ranks of pp and vc to be worn, enjoyed and appreciated.

From your analogy, you expect all watches to be tool watches. A dd can't handle the extreme elements as the sub c for example.

What attracted you to ap in the 1st place?

+1

i cannot tell you how many time's I have used the "thinking icon" in this thread.