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kooltzar · 29 November 2012, 09:14 AM

Another post on ebay where I am not sure about the dial:

http://www.ebay.ch/itm/281028741118?...#ht_818wt_1344

What concerns me here is the shape of the crown, the positioning of SWISS and the fact that the minute markers do not touch the rehaut, but are more inside the dial. Any opinions on this one?

kooltzar · 30 November 2012, 03:09 AM

No one has any comments?

kooltzar · 30 November 2012, 10:13 AM

Still nobody?

Goiguidoc · 30 November 2012, 05:12 PM

Watch looks good to me (despite poor quality pics).
Again would need shots between the lugs.
It is important to check the engravings and if the font matches on both sides of the case.
The dial is not original to the 1963 model, but still gilt.
Here is another example:
http://www.chrono24.com/en/rolex/rol...num=0&tab=pics

kooltzar · 30 November 2012, 09:39 PM

I asked for shots between the lugs, no reply yet.

In the example you put on the link it is the exact same dial and the watch offered there also from 1963. Why you think it is from another period model? And from which model?

katana · 1 December 2012, 05:08 AM

Gouiguidoc...Clock is from Ben, nbtimes = 100% secure

Most often,the watch is in Hong Kong, think about shipping / customs

katana · 1 December 2012, 05:09 AM

I think he is a member, here ...! Try, to find him.

kooltzar · 1 December 2012, 05:25 AM

The link Greg posted shows a watch from Ben, but the one in question here is from Germany. Same dial though. Ben is on VRF.

Goiguidoc · 1 December 2012, 09:31 AM

In the example you put on the link it is the exact same dial and the watch offered there also from 1963. Why you think it is from another period model? And from which model?[/QUOTE]

Good question!
The Rolex 5513 gilt production years range from 1962 to 1966-67.
The very first 5513 models came with a chapter ring dial.
I checked 1963 5513 subs and apparently they did already came without a chapter ring. My mistake...
The Swiss only models from 1963 had at least three variations: 1) no underline, 2) the "upper-underline" (small line under the Oyster Perpetual mark) and 3) the under-underline (small line under the Submariner mark).

Hope it answers your question

Goiguidoc · 1 December 2012, 09:33 AM

Ben is indeed a member of VRF and is selling a similar watch

29 November 2012, 09:14 AM	#1
kooltzar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Zürich Watch: Submariner 5512 Posts: 922	And another gilt dial on a 5513 raising concerns Another post on ebay where I am not sure about the dial: http://www.ebay.ch/itm/281028741118?...#ht_818wt_1344 What concerns me here is the shape of the crown, the positioning of SWISS and the fact that the minute markers do not touch the rehaut, but are more inside the dial. Any opinions on this one?

1 December 2012, 05:08 AM	#6
katana "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Paradis Location: Sweden Watch: Sub.1680/ Datejust Posts: 885	Gouiguidoc...Clock is from Ben, nbtimes = 100% secure Most often,the watch is in Hong Kong, think about shipping / customs __________________

1 December 2012, 05:09 AM	#7
katana "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Paradis Location: Sweden Watch: Sub.1680/ Datejust Posts: 885	I think he is a member, here ...! Try, to find him. __________________

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30 November 2012, 03:09 AM	#2
kooltzar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Zürich Watch: Submariner 5512 Posts: 922	No one has any comments?

30 November 2012, 10:13 AM	#3
kooltzar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Zürich Watch: Submariner 5512 Posts: 922	Still nobody?

30 November 2012, 05:12 PM	#4
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	Watch looks good to me (despite poor quality pics). Again would need shots between the lugs. It is important to check the engravings and if the font matches on both sides of the case. The dial is not original to the 1963 model, but still gilt. Here is another example: http://www.chrono24.com/en/rolex/rol...num=0&tab=pics

30 November 2012, 09:39 PM	#5
kooltzar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Zürich Watch: Submariner 5512 Posts: 922	I asked for shots between the lugs, no reply yet. In the example you put on the link it is the exact same dial and the watch offered there also from 1963. Why you think it is from another period model? And from which model?

1 December 2012, 05:25 AM	#8
kooltzar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Zürich Watch: Submariner 5512 Posts: 922	The link Greg posted shows a watch from Ben, but the one in question here is from Germany. Same dial though. Ben is on VRF.

1 December 2012, 09:31 AM	#9
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	In the example you put on the link it is the exact same dial and the watch offered there also from 1963. Why you think it is from another period model? And from which model?[/QUOTE] Good question! The Rolex 5513 gilt production years range from 1962 to 1966-67. The very first 5513 models came with a chapter ring dial. I checked 1963 5513 subs and apparently they did already came without a chapter ring. My mistake... The Swiss only models from 1963 had at least three variations: 1) no underline, 2) the "upper-underline" (small line under the Oyster Perpetual mark) and 3) the under-underline (small line under the Submariner mark). Hope it answers your question

1 December 2012, 09:33 AM	#10
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	Ben is indeed a member of VRF and is selling a similar watch

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