Be very aware of this seller time_holder aka yukiwatch

[kmac666]

Originally Posted by Bigjule111

I see nothing wrong! I purchased a 1675 at a nice price. Watch was in poor cond. So I replaced the dial with a yuki. Was I told It was a orig dial? NO! I was very aware that I purchased a refurb dial at a great price. Beats spending 1000-2000$ for a non touched dial. I feel completely comfortable wearing my 1675 with the refurbish dial not fake dial. Big difference. :)

This is a very odd post to me. After everyone outed this scam artist, a strange post above supporting a purchase. Send pics of your "refurb dial".

[MoBe]

Originally Posted by kmac666

This is a very odd post to me. After everyone outed this scam artist, a strange post above supporting a purchase. Send pics of your "refurb dial".

Probably Yuki himself trying to misdirect !

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by kmac666

This is a very odd post to me. After everyone outed this scam artist, a strange post above supporting a purchase. Send pics of your "refurb dial".

Originally Posted by MoBe

Probably Yuki himself trying to misdirect !

IMO, both of these posts are right on the money.....

[Lamone]

Yurki is well known for selling after-market dials and cases. After market is another name for fake.

[Davew833]

I just visited Yuki's site for the first time-- made me want to upchuck. The worst part is the testimonials from customers talking about what great integrity he has. I guess maybe he does aside from the fact that his whole business is based on BOLD-FACED FRAUD. Is that called honor among thieves or something?

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by Lamone

After market is another name for fake.

Ben, I prefer the better defined noun.......i.e. Counterfeit.

[RolexSA]

Originally Posted by mcjp6

Ben, I prefer the better defined noun.......i.e. Counterfeit.

X2 : aftermarket or so called OEM is counterfeit nothing more nothing less .

[MoBe]

Originally Posted by RolexSA

X2 : aftermarket or so called OEM is counterfeit nothing more nothing less .

OEM means "Original Equipment Manufacturer".

In the case of Rolex that means Rolex.

In the case of OEM car parts it means parts made by an outside company that supplies parts for Ford but can also sell the same part under their own brand name outside of the Ford dealer network,in England these are known as pattern parts.

Aftermarket parts are made by non OEM comanies and sometimes people tend to confuse the two because they do not understand the difference.

In the aircraft industry parts are mostly OEM sold under their OEM name to Boeing or Airbus or any other aircraft company.

[RolexSA]

Originally Posted by MoBe

OEM means "Original Equipment Manufacturer".

In the case of Rolex that means Rolex.

In the case of OEM car parts it means parts made by an outside company that supplies parts for Ford but can also sell the same part under their own brand name outside of the Ford dealer network,in England these are known as pattern parts.

Guess the OEM in relation of Rolex is not 100% applicable as they seem to produce or elaborate nearly all of the components themselves or through companies they have bought up along the years . I believe even COSC is owned by Rolex so they certify their own watches .
What I meant was that Rolex will consider all parts not supplied by themselves or altered as counterfeit and refuses to honor warranty nor service any watch fitted with any of these parts .

[MoBe]

Originally Posted by RolexSA

Guess the OEM in relation of Rolex is not 100% applicable as they seem to produce or elaborate nearly all of the components themselves or through companies they have bought up along the years . I believe even COSC is owned by Rolex so they certify their own watches .
What I meant was that Rolex will consider all parts not supplied by themselves or altered as counterfeit and refuses to honor warranty nor service any watch fitted with any of these parts .

I know what you meant but for the sake of newer readers I thought a clarification of the terminology might be helpfull.

[77T]

Originally Posted by MoBe

Probably Yuki himself trying to misdirect !

Methinks a Mod might want to query Bigjule111 to see if he is legit, a shill or in fact the counterfeiter himself.

That ID has been strangely silent since first post. And his last login was the day after mcjp6 advised him to be careful.

[zephyr_372]

Hello a friend of mine just offered me a 9411 tudor sub for sale.
He said he bought it a few years ago from Yukiwatch.
I am weary that this is a fake case how can I tell the difference?
Watch has no paperwork and the dial is refinished. Further looks rather legit movement is ligit but might be from an old prince.

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by zephyr_372

I am weary that this is a fake case how can I tell the difference?

check the case ends for long "E"'s or post some pictures here.

[Goiguidoc]

This is exactly what I'm trying to fight.
Counterfeiters mixing fake and original parts to fool people with rare and expensive Rolex models.
These guys are getting better and better.
We must stop this mess!
Thanks Michael for bringing this up!

[RolexSA]

Originally Posted by Goiguidoc

This is exactly what I'm trying to fight.
Counterfeiters mixing fake and original parts to fool people with rare and expensive Rolex models.
These guys are getting better and better.
We must stop this mess!
Thanks Michael for bringing this up!

This has been a widespread practice for decades and something that many of what we nowadays consider respectable vintage collectors indulged in .
They may be getting better but I believe with the arrival of broadband internet and forums like this get found out more easily .
The use of mix and match parts is also common with vintage automobiles .

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by Goiguidoc

We must stop this mess!

That is my number one goal on this forum Greg, and you are helping 100%, thanks........

[RolexSA]

Originally Posted by mcjp6

That is my number one goal on this forum Greg, and you are helping 100%, thanks........

That should keep you busy for the next couple of decades , Michael .

[zephyr_372]

Originally Posted by mcjp6

check the case ends for long "E"'s or post some pictures here.

Looks like we are in trouble here with the watch.
My friend is going to see Schaap en Citroen in 's-Hertogenbosch this week as he wants a new Rolex submariner and while he is there let the expert people check the watch out. Ill keep you informed what has happened.

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by zephyr_372

Looks like we are in trouble here with the watch.
My friend is going to see Schaap en Citroen in 's-Hertogenbosch this week as he wants a new Rolex submariner and while he is there let the expert people check the watch out. Ill keep you informed what has happened.

Tony....do nothing in haste...plenty of watches out there....

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by RolexSA

That should keep you busy

No, lots of people involved here, it is a team effort....everyone can and is welcome to assist ......

[zephyr_372]

Originally Posted by mcjp6

Tony....do nothing in haste...plenty of watches out there....

I know that I do not really fancy Tudor anyway but I just liked the watch.
I normally buy poor looking or broken Rolex or Tudor's and restore them gives me more pleasure. When they are finished I sell em again and with the money I buy a new project again. Sometimes I keep them. Mostly not. Started as not being able to afford a Rolex any more to a nice hobby.

[zephyr_372]

The problem is resolved by the AD here they gave my mate a fair price to get the watch of the market so he traded it in for a new watch that he wanted to buy anyway.
The watch was franken many real parts but the case wasn't. Good job I did not buy it.

[Wacker23]

Originally Posted by Bigjule111

I see nothing wrong! I purchased a 1675 at a nice price. Watch was in poor cond. So I replaced the dial with a yuki. Was I told It was a orig dial? NO! I was very aware that I purchased a refurb dial at a great price. Beats spending 1000-2000$ for a non touched dial. I feel completely comfortable wearing my 1675 with the refurbish dial not fake dial. Big difference. :)

If thats what you bought it your money. But they are pointing out that this person is selling fake watches as gens. Read post 25. Thats not cool.

[datejust24]

Originally Posted by Czechman

The legal term is counterfeit, which I prefer.

[springer]

Originally Posted by datejust24

So, what is your question Chris?

[Mosco]

Originally Posted by Wacker23

If thats what you bought it your money. But they are pointing out that this person is selling fake watches as gens. Read post 25. Thats not cool.

you do know that you're responding to a post that's almost a year old, don't you?