E-Bay question........................

[MonBK]

Allthough I've been on e-bay since May 1998 and have over 2,000 feedbacks I don't know the answer to this:

If a scammer posts a fake Rolex and it gets taken down will his seller fees be reimbursed?

[wantonebad]

you don't pay seller fees upfront? and since they pull it down there wouldn't be anything to charge for... right?

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by wantonebad

you don't pay seller fees upfront? and since they pull it down there wouldn't be anything to charge for... right?

Sorry, I meant listing/no sells fees.

[wantonebad]

Originally Posted by MonBK

Sorry, I meant listing/no sales fees.

I knew what you meant, I answered as if it were listing fees, if they pull it, there is nothing to charge for. I had a listing pulled because of trademark infringement, a Coka Cola sign that someone reported as being fake. It wasn't fake but they pulled it anyway, and I was not charged a listing fee.

That was almost 10 years ago but I assume it's still the same process.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by wantonebad

I knew what you meant, I answered as if it were listing fees, if they pull it, there is nothing to charge for. I had a listing pulled because of trademark infringement, a Coka Cola sign that someone reported as being fake. It wasn't fake but they pulled it anyway, and I was not charged a listing fee.

That was almost 10 years ago but I assume it's still the same process.

That's what I thought but wasn't sure, thanks.

I had a plan but it went out the window.

[Lgear080]

eBay changed policy recently regarding brand name merchandise.

There is now a stern warning up front when you post.

Apparently they'll move to permanently restrict your selling
If you sell counterfeit. Considering all the craptastic stuff still
On the site I'd say they have a long way to go before they do
As they say.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Lgear080

eBay changed policy recently regarding brand name merchandise.

There is now a stern warning up front when you post.

Apparently they'll move to permanently restrict your selling
If you sell counterfeit. Considering all the craptastic stuff still
On the site I'd say they have a long way to go before they do
As they say.

It would be better if they still charged the "seller" no sell fees.

[zama]

I am sure that is one of the many reasons the 20000 diamond encrusted Daytona (winner) are usually offered with no trading sales history, nothing to lose by opening and closing identities.

Maybe you have been thinking the same as me, seeding bogus listings to give TRF members some hunting skills.........

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by zama

I am sure that is one of the many reasons the 20000 diamond encrusted Daytona (winner) are usually offered with no trading sales history, nothing to lose by opening and closing identities.

Maybe you have been thinking the same as me, seeding bogus listings to give TRF members some hunting skills.........

No, far from it.

[wantonebad]

Originally Posted by MonBK

No, far from it.

Something a little more devious I suspect...

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by wantonebad

Something a little more devious I suspect...

Much more.

[Jocke]

Are you going to sell fakes on Ebay Mon?

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Jocke

Are you going to sell fakes on Ebay Mon?

No, I was going to make the ones that do pay for it.

[wantonebad]

Originally Posted by MonBK

No, I was going to make the ones that do pay for it.

If there were any real ramifications for people selling fakes on e-bay then you wouldn't see them listed.

And e-bay's profits wouldn't be as astronomical as they are...

[elcompa]

OK. Very embarrassing, but I'll bare my soul. I was once taken advantage of on eBay. Well, nearly... Perhaps someone can learn something from my ridiculous escapade. Anyway, it is said that the best learning comes after great pain.... And yes, I should have known better.

I was after a Rolex watch on eBay about 6 months ago. The price was good, but not ridiculously so. I looked very closely at the posted pix. Even had a friend "in the know" look at them. the pix were real and all was original. The seller had 2 yrs of good feedback, a 99% or something recommendation (whatever they call it). I called him, emailed him, chatted via ebay, all seemed well. I (luckily) sent the money via PayPal and he sent the postal info. All on track, right? I looked carefully at the tracking info that came by email and it actually said pick up number. I clicked on the link. It sent me to the US federal postal service, USPS mail site. Even the links on his email worked. I called him to ask pls send me the proper tracking info and explained that something must be wrong with the site. He sent me another number. He played me along for a few days via emails and calls. Finally I contacted the postal service by phone to see what was wrong. They said they could not recognize the number. The phone calls and emails ceased abruptly...this is when I got scared. Didn't know what to do. Felt real stupid in front of my wife. Lost a lot of money on a scam. What an idiot I was!!!

I called PayPal, filed a complaint. I then began to dig even more. PayPal sent me info on him. His contact and banking info were in South Africa and his phone number was a VOIP in Korea. I went back to ebay to see what else I could find on the guy and all of his account info was gone. Deleted. Missing. all of it...even all his positive feedback.

As PayPal had him listed at a foreign address, but he claimed to me in an email that I thankfully kept, that he was in Florida, PayPal locked him out, but they still had his banking info that he had registered with. They changed the status of "complaint" to "investigation". They notified him and he replied via email. Stringing them along too, he did not comply with their requests for info. A week or two later PayPal asked if they could have another week to ensure that he would not reply, thus giving him every possible chance to correct the problem. They contacted him again and sent me an email copy. To this, he did not reply. Disappeared like a ghost leaving only a trail of lies, bad emails, bad addresses and voip numbers.

Long and short of it: After about a month and various attempts, considering my email evidence, PayPal reimbursed me in full. Every penny. I lost nothing. One of the tricks is timing. Had I waited over three weeks to report it, it might not have gone so smoothly...over their legal limits. Since I jumped on it and reported it, and followed up several times with calls and emails, they did what they promised. PayPay took a while doing so, but they did support their buyer protection plan as promised.

Yes, this was quite embarrassing to write out, so please learn something from this and pass it on to anyone who may need this kind of support.

On the bright side, I was recommended to do business on TRF and two purchases later all has gone well. It was painful finding TRF, but Im glad to be here.

[Old Expat Beast]

Thanks for the confession! I'll never buy anything on eBay. Congrats on the refund, too. Paypal sounds good.