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Old Expat Beast · 24 December 2013, 02:19 PM

I have found a fairly priced GMT16750 that looks very nice but has a Spider Dial. I'm aware of the likes and dislikes of what is basically a production flaw, but would like to poll you gents to get a clear yes/no picture. So, would you buy or not buy one of these, which is otherwise attractive and nicely priced?

toph · 24 December 2013, 03:02 PM

Not my cup of tea at all.
Sure many others may love it. But you asked for opinions and that is mine:)

anilzat · 24 December 2013, 03:02 PM

Can you explain what a spider dial is? Do you have a photo of the dial? I've never heard of one.

toph · 24 December 2013, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anilzat

Can you explain what a spider dial is? Do you have a photo of the dial? I've never heard of one.

It cracks and looks like a spider web
Like this.. Not best pics but you get idea
http://www.chrono24.com/au/rolex/gmt...um=10&tab=pics

Old Expat Beast · 24 December 2013, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anilzat

Can you explain what a spider dial is? Do you have a photo of the dial? I've never heard of one.

The only pics I can find are on other forums and not sure it's appropriate to take from there and post here, but if you do a Google image search for Rolex Spider Dial you will see many examples. Basically it was a flaw with Rolex's earliest attempts at glossy dials in the 1980s, which made them crack like old paintings or crazy paving. So I suppose the question should be "Are Spider Dials all they are cracked up to be?" Excuse the pun.

powerfunk · 24 December 2013, 04:25 PM

Some Rolex flaws over the years have resulted in unique coloration and aging. This flaw is just...a flaw IMHO. Mentally I'd be factoring in the cost of a service dial.

There's nothing wrong with liking these cracked dials, just don't pay a premium for the cracks.

Robbyvm · 24 December 2013, 06:10 PM

some call it spider i call it cracked
some call their dials leopard i call them ruined...

to me the only desirable dial change is the real tropical dial, evenly faded to a dark to light chocolat, all the rest is just marketing talk

Frosty · 24 December 2013, 06:24 PM

BTDTGTT

I have got to agree, while sellers try and make them special, it is a flaw that can cause problems. It is like a window that is cracked and you are just waiting for it to come apart. I had a TT Sub that the RSC would not service until I replaced the dial, because they thought it could chip and damage the movement.

Clay · 24 December 2013, 07:12 PM

Ask ten different people, get ten different answers…

I purchased a Spider or Crazed dial watch once… I thought it looked very cool…

The vast majority of people do not like them and if you ever decide to part with it, it will not be an easy sell…

Some will say that the paint on the dials will eventually flake off…

Others say if it hasn't flaked by now then the dial surface is stable so no worries…

It's anybodies guess

MonBK · 24 December 2013, 07:15 PM

Looks awful.

Vincent65 · 24 December 2013, 07:26 PM

Not for me - a bit of crazing may be acceptable on an old oil painting, but not a watch dial, IMO. If you like it, then go for it!

AJMarcus · 24 December 2013, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty

BTDTGTT

I have got to agree, while sellers try and make them special, it is a flaw that can cause problems. It is like a window that is cracked and you are just waiting for it to come apart. I had a TT Sub that the RSC would not service until I replaced the dial, because they thought it could chip and damage the movement.

right On! It is ridiculous sometimes what collectors collect.

Old Expat Beast · 24 December 2013, 10:33 PM

Thanks everyone. Seems like not too much grey area on this one.

HL65 · 24 December 2013, 10:43 PM

No.

Dan Pierce · 24 December 2013, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toph

Not my cup of tea at all.
Sure many others may love it. But you asked for opinions and that is mine:)

^ This.
dP

Jason71 · 24 December 2013, 11:20 PM

I would purchase one ONLY if there was enough of a discount in the price to purchase a period correct non-defective dial

lhanddds · 25 December 2013, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

^ This.
dP

X3

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dysondiver · 25 December 2013, 12:53 AM

its broken ,,, allow enough in the price to fix it ,,, and a service for all the bits floating about inside ,,, then the time and effort ,,, not for me .
others will love it , but not me.

dysondiver · 25 December 2013, 12:54 AM

its broken ,,, allow enough in the price to fix it ,,, and a service for all the bits floating about inside ,,, then the time and effort ,,, not for me .
others will love it , but not me.

springer · 25 December 2013, 01:08 AM

No.

watchcrank · 25 December 2013, 01:49 AM

If price is right, sure, I can change a dial :-) M

springer · 25 December 2013, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchcrank

If price is right, sure, I can change a dial :-) M

X2, I would consider this also if the price is right.

Cc1966 · 25 December 2013, 02:39 AM

I don't buy into the spider-dial hype...

Kingair · 25 December 2013, 02:52 AM

No for me it would be hurting each time looking at it

Merry Christmas

mike · 25 December 2013, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty

BTDTGTT

I have got to agree, while sellers try and make them special, it is a flaw that can cause problems. It is like a window that is cracked and you are just waiting for it to come apart. I had a TT Sub that the RSC would not service until I replaced the dial, because they thought it could chip and damage the movement.

Well said.

vintagewaferthin · 25 December 2013, 04:49 AM

I don't see why anybody would ever buy a cracked "spider" dial. I certainly don't see the appeal of buying what is essentially a watch with a ticking time bomb of a dial that can break apart at any moment and as a result screw up the movement.

SLS · 25 December 2013, 05:59 AM

A matte 16750 is much more desirable IMO. Matte dials always trumps any Glossy WG surround dials.

dysondiver · 25 December 2013, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLS

A matte 16750 is much more desirable IMO. Matte dials always trumps any Glossy WG surround dials.

i kinda like the surrounds ,,,, maybe matte with surrounds was the way to go ... bit late now though,,,

greekbum · 25 December 2013, 06:24 AM

I would buy any watch i like and the price is right

joe100 · 25 December 2013, 10:23 AM

Negative. Never liked that look.

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24 December 2013, 02:19 PM	#1
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,826	Would you buy a GMT with Spider Dial? I have found a fairly priced GMT16750 that looks very nice but has a Spider Dial. I'm aware of the likes and dislikes of what is basically a production flaw, but would like to poll you gents to get a clear yes/no picture. So, would you buy or not buy one of these, which is otherwise attractive and nicely priced? __________________ _______________________

24 December 2013, 03:02 PM	#2
toph "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: ChrisTOPHer Location: Sydney Watch: Rolex, Brellum, Posts: 12,601	Not my cup of tea at all. Sure many others may love it. But you asked for opinions and that is mine:) __________________ "Where no counsel is the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." Member No.# 11795

24 December 2013, 10:33 PM	#13
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,826	Thanks everyone. Seems like not too much grey area on this one. __________________ _______________________

24 December 2013, 10:43 PM	#14
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,011	No. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

24 December 2013, 03:02 PM	#3
anilzat Banned Join Date: Sep 2013 Real Name: John Williams Location: Alaska outback Watch: GMT Posts: 1,051	Can you explain what a spider dial is? Do you have a photo of the dial? I've never heard of one.

24 December 2013, 04:25 PM	#6
powerfunk "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Rob Location: Boston, MA Watch: 1530 Posts: 3,799	Some Rolex flaws over the years have resulted in unique coloration and aging. This flaw is just...a flaw IMHO. Mentally I'd be factoring in the cost of a service dial. There's nothing wrong with liking these cracked dials, just don't pay a premium for the cracks.

24 December 2013, 06:10 PM	#7
Robbyvm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,239	some call it spider i call it cracked some call their dials leopard i call them ruined... to me the only desirable dial change is the real tropical dial, evenly faded to a dark to light chocolat, all the rest is just marketing talk

24 December 2013, 06:24 PM	#8
Frosty 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Larry Location: So Cal Watch: Rolex GMT 1675 Posts: 5,087	BTDTGTT I have got to agree, while sellers try and make them special, it is a flaw that can cause problems. It is like a window that is cracked and you are just waiting for it to come apart. I had a TT Sub that the RSC would not service until I replaced the dial, because they thought it could chip and damage the movement.

24 December 2013, 07:12 PM	#9
Clay Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Up a tree Posts: 4,001	Ask ten different people, get ten different answers… I purchased a Spider or Crazed dial watch once… I thought it looked very cool… The vast majority of people do not like them and if you ever decide to part with it, it will not be an easy sell… Some will say that the paint on the dials will eventually flake off… Others say if it hasn't flaked by now then the dial surface is stable so no worries… It's anybodies guess

24 December 2013, 07:15 PM	#10
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Looks awful.

24 December 2013, 07:26 PM	#11
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	Not for me - a bit of crazing may be acceptable on an old oil painting, but not a watch dial, IMO. If you like it, then go for it!

24 December 2013, 11:20 PM	#16
Jason71 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Rolex/Tudor Divers Posts: 7,973	I would purchase one ONLY if there was enough of a discount in the price to purchase a period correct non-defective dial __________________ Best Regards, Jason Just Say "NO" to Polishing Card-Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch Curmudgeons LIfe is too short to wear inexpensive watches PLEXI IS SEXY

25 December 2013, 12:53 AM	#18
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	its broken ,,, allow enough in the price to fix it ,,, and a service for all the bits floating about inside ,,, then the time and effort ,,, not for me . others will love it , but not me.

25 December 2013, 12:54 AM	#19
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	its broken ,,, allow enough in the price to fix it ,,, and a service for all the bits floating about inside ,,, then the time and effort ,,, not for me . others will love it , but not me.

25 December 2013, 01:08 AM	#20
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	No. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

25 December 2013, 01:49 AM	#21
watchcrank "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: michael Location: Florida Watch: explorer II cream Posts: 1,664	If price is right, sure, I can change a dial :-) M

25 December 2013, 02:39 AM	#23
Cc1966 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Christopher Location: Georgia, USA Watch: ing the Sea... Posts: 6,713	I don't buy into the spider-dial hype... __________________ "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 "*Curmudgeons* " Favorites: 1665 SD, Sub Date, DSSD, Exp II, Sub LV, GMTIIc

25 December 2013, 02:52 AM	#24
Kingair "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA Watch: Not enough ;-) Posts: 21,232	No for me it would be hurting each time looking at it Merry Christmas

25 December 2013, 04:49 AM	#26
vintagewaferthin "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Earth Watch: Air-King 5500 Posts: 2,620	I don't see why anybody would ever buy a cracked "spider" dial. I certainly don't see the appeal of buying what is essentially a watch with a ticking time bomb of a dial that can break apart at any moment and as a result screw up the movement.

25 December 2013, 05:59 AM	#27
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	A matte 16750 is much more desirable IMO. Matte dials always trumps any Glossy WG surround dials. __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

25 December 2013, 06:24 AM	#29
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,418	I would buy any watch i like and the price is right __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

25 December 2013, 10:23 AM	#30
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,840	Negative. Never liked that look. __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

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