President bracelets; 83206 v. 83856

[Markg]

Can anyone tell me the difference between the 83206 and 83856 bracelets?

the 83206 seems to be the current model; was the 83856 the same but with the different/older style clasp? i cant find any reference to it anywhere. (except as the zip code to priest river, idaho)

thanks,

mark

[badsmac]

Originally Posted by Markg

Can anyone tell me the difference between the 83206 and 83856 bracelets?


mark

Yea, the middle two #'s.
Sorry. I couldn't help myself. You'll have an answer soon enough though.
Bo knows I'm sure.

[waltk1026]

Just for reference, on my clasp is 83208 (not 06?), a 750 on one lug, nothing on the links! I have an F series YGDD. I would like to know more on this myself.

[topcat30093]

Bo, where are you!!!!
Though Mark I think that you maybe right with your assumption,
if not I will of learnt something as well!

[Markg]

Originally Posted by waltk1026

Just for reference, on my clasp is 83208 (not 06?), a 750 on one lug, nothing on the links! I have an F series YGDD. I would like to know more on this myself.

the 750 says its 18k (18/24=0.750)

the last number says what metal it is; 8 for yellow gold, 6 for platinum, 5 for pink gold, 9 for white gold.

the other numbers are the style, which is what i cant figure out.

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by topcat30093

Bo, where are you!!!!
Though Mark I think that you maybe right with your assumption,
if not I will of learnt something as well!

Geez! There IS a time difference of up to 9 hours between Denmark and the USA, ya know!

Anyway, I have no clue as to what the difference is. I can only second that it is a President bracelet in Platinum. As suggested above, the difference in numbers might refer to the old versus the new-style clasp.

[Triple Black 88]

The first 2 digits "83" are the same and the last digit was defined by Markg as "8 for yellow gold, 6 for platinum, 5 for pink gold, 9 for white gold."

So it looks like the 3rd and 4th digit designate the clasp style. Waltk1026 mentioned that his "F" series YG DD is labeled "83208". I do know that the "New Clasp" was introduced on the "F" series. I have a "K" series YG DD with the older style clasp (see pic) and the code on mine is 83858. Keep in mind that both braclets are the updated 118238 models.

I would say that...
83206 is the updated heavier bracelet in Rose Gold w/NEW clasp
83856 is the updated heavier bracelet in Rose Gold w/OLD clasp

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[Markg]

Steve:

that makes sense, i have seen the 83856 referred to on ebay as the "new" heavier bracelet; guess it is new compared to something older, but just not the newest.....But i couldnt find any pictures of the clasp, so couldnt tell what was different.

however, as to introduction dates; the new clasp was introduced during the K series, at least for the platinum watches. for example, a K55**** 118206 style has the 83206 bracelet.

(note that the 118206 is also the updated model, only with the domed bezel vs the fluted bezel)

that same watch has a band code of AD6, so if you believe in the bracelet dating thats been posted on the net, that would equate to a bracelet manufacturing date of 6/03 which would put it in "F" territory, at least timewise. Likely they reserved serial numbers for the watch, then built them out at some later time with the newer band. (note the original green tag confirms this is original rolex build)

i wish rolex would just publish a catalog with all these numbers in it!!

thanks for the help decoding this.

mark

[Triple Black 88]

Here's a look at the updated clasp which I believe started with the "F" series (at least for the YG/WG models).

Good post

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[topcat30093]

Steve
That is a great photo,is it of your watch

[Triple Black 88]

Originally Posted by topcat30093

Steve
That is a great photo,is it of your watch

This one is mine. It is the new style (118238) w/the older style clasp.

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by Triple Black 88

(...)

I would say that...
83206 is the updated heavier bracelet in Rose Gold w/NEW clasp
83856 is the updated heavier bracelet in Rose Gold w/OLD clasp

(pics)

Just checked my price list that also includes prices of bracelets and single links:

The 83206 is the Platinum bracelet for the DD's in Platinum ref. #'s 118206, 118296, 118346 and 118366. The cost of that bracelet on its own is US $ 25,350, btw.!

The 83856 is also in Platinum and for the same models listed above, but costs a little less: US $ 25,050.

The price difference is - as stated - probably due to the updated clasp of the 83206.

[nhdblfan]

First great thread as I am in the market for a YGDD and want the heavier new style bracelet (is 30% correct?) when was that "83856" indroduced? Obvoiusly previous to the F new style clasp.
Also wonder as far as pricing what a new style bracelet,83856,with a older style clasp would discount over the new clasp ones?Guess that new clasp is alos a wee bit heavier as well.
Thanks
Dave

[Markg]

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

The 83206 is the Platinum bracelet for the DD's in Platinum ref. #'s 118206, 118296, 118346 and 118366. The cost of that bracelet on its own is US $ 25,350, btw.!

Bo;

thanks for the info! if the 83856 is less $, it has to be the clasp. i was curious because the number number was higher, so i figured it might be the newer model.

but i cant wait to see the prices after the next increase; that band is going now for almost what i paid for the whole watch just a few years ago!! and platinum has almost tripled in the last year!

[Triple Black 88]

Originally Posted by nhdblfan

First great thread as I am in the market for a YGDD and want the heavier new style bracelet (is 30% correct?) when was that "83856" indroduced? Obvoiusly previous to the F new style clasp.
Also wonder as far as pricing what a new style bracelet,83856,with a older style clasp would discount over the new clasp ones?Guess that new clasp is alos a wee bit heavier as well.
Thanks
Dave

Dave, here it is in a nutshell. You don't need be too concerned with the numbers above (were just splitting hairs). Basically it comes down to 2 models, the 18238 and the 118238. The 18238 is the lighter version and ran up until 1999. In 2000 the "K" series (model 118238) was introduced with the newer/heavier bracelet, along with a few more updates (see below). Although there have been a few more updates since 2000 (also mentioned below), the model number has remained the same...118238.

Here are some of the updates introduced in 2000 with the "K" Series model 118238.

-Solid center links and end links (overall 35% heavier then 18238 models)
-Re-designed "End Links" that fit completely flush against case
-Polished lugs (Sides of the links are polished)
-Completely polished case (18238 was polished on sides and brushed on top)
-Slightly domed sapphire crystal
-All gold (no lume stripe) hands were introduced
-LEC (Laser Etched Crown) introduced
-Updated Diamond dial w/"Pyramid" style settings
-Lume added to "sticks" (hour markers) on the stick dial

Since the major upgrades in 2000, there have been a few more updates:
-Updated Clasp in 2003 "F" Series
-Chapter Ring in 2006 "Z" Series

Good Luck & keep us posted,
Steve

[newrolexman]

I have a friend with an older band and the new band is substantially heavier when you put one watch in each hand.

The new band will also be tigher and not get as loose I was told by my AD.


Here is my band.

[waltk1026]

Originally Posted by Triple Black 88

Here's a look at the updated clasp which I believe started with the "F" series (at least for the YG/WG models).

Good post

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Thats the clasp I have Steve also same on Newrolexman's previous post.

[Markg]

Originally Posted by newrolexman

I have a friend with an older band and the new band is substantially heavier when you put one watch in each hand.

The new band will also be tigher and not get as loose I was told by my AD.


Here is my band.

if you get a chance, take a shot at the markings on the band so we know what we are looking at..

[CPCC]

Originally Posted by badsmac

Yea, the middle two #'s.
Sorry. I couldn't help myself. You'll have an answer soon enough though.
Bo knows I'm sure.

[newrolexman]

Originally Posted by Markg

if you get a chance, take a shot at the markings on the band so we know what we are looking at..

Here are a few pics,,, hope they are readable.

[topcat30093]

Thank you to everyone who posted photos on this thread,they are fantastic.

[Markg]

Especially thanks for all the information shared; it was very helpful to me sorting this out.

[golfball123]

my ygdd gold clasps are not shiny like the ones on the pics shown above. did you guys polished it ? anyone to enlighten me ?

[Markg]

no polish, just the way it came from rolex.

[Triple Black 88]

Originally Posted by golfball123

my ygdd gold clasps are not shiny like the ones on the pics shown above. did you guys polished it ? anyone to enlighten me ?

Golfball, do you have the new style or old style clasp?

Please post pics so we can see what your talking about. Something doesn't sound right

[boonhwa]

just wondering when was the old type clasps discontinued ? the new clasp are more solid but not as secured as easily released.

[Markg]

depends on the model/material; i have an K version with the new clasp, but others say they didnt start until much later

[golfball123]

Originally Posted by Triple Black 88

Golfball, do you have the new style or old style clasp?

Please post pics so we can see what your talking about. Something doesn't sound right

I hv the old style clasp n it is unpolished type. i bought mine in 96 n it is the W.. series on the certificate. so must be a 95 stock.

[Trurolexer]

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Just checked my price list that also includes prices of bracelets and single links:

The 83206 is the Platinum bracelet for the DD's in Platinum ref. #'s 118206, 118296, 118346 and 118366. The cost of that bracelet on its own is US $ 25,350, btw.!

The 83856 is also in Platinum and for the same models listed above, but costs a little less: US $ 25,050.

The price difference is - as stated - probably due to the updated clasp of the 83206.

Now, I really miss Bo...
He explaination with a good knowledge.

[Triple Black 88]

Originally Posted by golfball123

I hv the old style clasp n it is unpolished type. i bought mine in 96 n it is the W.. series on the certificate. so must be a 95 stock.

Golfball, the new style (polished) clasp was introduced in 2003 with the "F" Series.