15703st vs 5167A

[SMD]

Chunky or thin, that is the decision. For me the aquanaut is too small. The 5980 is the only one that doesn't look small on me.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by SMD

Chunky or thin, that is the decision. For me the aquanaut is too small. The 5980 is the only one that doesn't look small on me.

5980

[Bartosz]

I had AP and sold it. Only PP.

[RussW]

I'd get the patek as it's more elegant, although it's no dive watch so if that's what you want get the AP.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by RussW

I'd get the patek as it's more elegant, although it's no dive watch so if that's what you want get the AP.

Well what I want is a Real Sport watch, and what I mean with that is a watch that I could feel comfortable swimming, snorkeling, camping etc...
Therefore the thread, that it should of been named "in Search of a Real Sport watch from the Holy Trinity"

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[benlee]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

Well what I want is a Real Sport watch, and what I mean with that is a watch that I could feel comfortable swimming, snorkeling, camping etc...
Therefore the thread, that it should of been named "in Search of a Real Sport watch from the Holy Trinity"

Cheers !

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While IMO the SS Diver is the best looking of the 3 AP Divers, a FC or Ceramic Diver might better suit your needs bec of the ability to resist scratches and wearing light. For me, sporty or sport watches should be big and tough. The Aquanault I doubt falls into that category. Very nice and classy watch though but the AP diver beats it to a pulp in terms of sheer wrist prescence. The SS Aquanault is just too plain looking. But if you are talking about the RG version 5167R then it's a different story. Just my 2 cents. At the end of the day, follow your heart and buy what you like.

[improviz]

I think both are real sports watches, but as with any luxury mechanical watch (perhaps more so here) I would not wear for strenuous, high-shock activities (get a G-Shock for that or if you must, some old beater from Rolex or Omega), just because it will cost some bucks/lost watch time if something breaks, always a higher likelihood with mechanical pieces, particularly if exposed to high-shock.

Now if otoh (and I believe it is) the sport here is emphasizing appearance and not-so-rough sporting activities, then I believe both would qualify. Imo the Diver's bezel screws, angular and bolder appearance, and larger, more muscular appearance to me give it a more sporty appearance than the Aquanaut, and will probably get more attention than the beautiful-but-more-subtle (I've seen more people checking it out and gotten tons of complements, in fact while in Cancun recently a gentleman sporting a PAM 104 spotted it went out of his way to come over and complement the Diver), so depending upon whether you feel this is a good/bad thing can influence your opinion.

In terms of handling abuse, well, the "AP beater" thread speaks to that, although hopefully you wouldn't be exposing either to that level of, um, "love".

[diver2012]

Originally Posted by improviz

I think both are real sports watches, but as with any luxury mechanical watch (perhaps more so here) I would not wear for strenuous, high-shock activities (get a G-Shock for that or if you must, some old beater from Rolex or Omega), just because it will cost some bucks/lost watch time if something breaks, always a higher likelihood with mechanical pieces, particularly if exposed to high-shock.

Don't forget the Diver meets ISO standards for dive watches which include shock tests - so it will almost certainly be more resistant than the PP...

[AK797]

I agree with the guys, for more sporty I would go Diver, altho the ceramic is best for strenuous activity but if you go with the steel bezel I would be prepared to have it polished by AP every year or two, no big deal or cost, as the brush finish is just too nice to have it too marked up imho.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by improviz

I think both are real sports watches, but as with any luxury mechanical watch (perhaps more so here) I would not wear for strenuous, high-shock activities (get a G-Shock for that or if you must, some old beater from Rolex or Omega), just because it will cost some bucks/lost watch time if something breaks, always a higher likelihood with mechanical pieces, particularly if exposed to high-shock.

Now if otoh (and I believe it is) the sport here is emphasizing appearance and not-so-rough sporting activities, then I believe both would qualify. Imo the Diver's bezel screws, angular and bolder appearance, and larger, more muscular appearance to me give it a more sporty appearance than the Aquanaut, and will probably get more attention than the beautiful-but-more-subtle (I've seen more people checking it out and gotten tons of complements, in fact while in Cancun recently a gentleman sporting a PAM 104 spotted it went out of his way to come over and complement the Diver), so depending upon whether you feel this is a good/bad thing can influence your opinion.

In terms of handling abuse, well, the "AP beater" thread speaks to that, although hopefully you wouldn't be exposing either to that level of, um, "love".

Well I just change my heading for my 3rd watch from "beater" to "Real Sport Watch"(in my signature) because i don't think that any of us wants to see our watches all beat up. But yes we need to have a watch (or 2 ) that we can feel comfortable on sport activities. Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable with an AP 15400/15300, or Nautilus (some of you might). That's why I crerated this thread and proposed the Aquanaut and the AP diver SS. Because I thought I could feel comfortable with both in such activities (swimming, hiking, etc). Also I thought that if I am gonna wear it in such activities their potential of being abused would be higher, and that it should be reflected (to an extent ) in their lower price. I am not saying that 15-20k is cheap but if you want the luxury of using an AP/PP for those activities you have to pay the price.

Originally Posted by benlee

While IMO the SS Diver is the best looking of the 3 AP Divers, a FC or Ceramic Diver might better suit your needs bec of the ability to resist scratches and wearing light. For me, sporty or sport watches should be big and tough. The Aquanault I doubt falls into that category. Very nice and classy watch though but the AP diver beats it to a pulp in terms of sheer wrist prescence. The SS Aquanault is just too plain looking. But if you are talking about the RG version 5167R then it's a different story. Just my 2 cents. At the end of the day, follow your heart and buy what you like.

Yes I agree the SS Diver is the best looking. I think the Ceramic is more functional(will take abuse better), but all black makes the watch to look more like a fashion watch (in my eyes, other people might perceive it differently). And no I am not considering the 5167R, my 5712R filled that spot already. So the question to you is would you feel comfortable to use your AP diver in activities like Swimming, Camping, Snorkling, Vacations, Hiking, etc ?
I do like the Aquanaut, is an all around versatile watch, but now I am not so sure if I would feel comfortable using the aquanaut in the activities I describe above

Originally Posted by AK797

I agree with the guys, for more sporty I would go Diver, altho the ceramic is best for strenuous activity but if you go with the steel bezel I would be prepared to have it polished by AP every year or two, no big deal or cost, as the brush finish is just too nice to have it too marked up imho.

Agree, I wouldn't want it marked up either.

[improviz]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

Well I just change my heading for my 3rd watch from "beater" to "Real Sport Watch"(in my signature) because i don't think that any of us wants to see our watches all beat up. But yes we need to have a watch (or 2 ) that we can feel comfortable on sport activities. Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable with an AP 15400/15300, or Nautilus (some of you might). That's why I crerated this thread and proposed the Aquanaut and the AP diver SS. Because I thought I could feel comfortable with both in such activities (swimming, hiking, etc). Also I thought that if I am gonna wear it in such activities their potential of being abused would be higher, and that it should be reflected (to an extent ) in their lower price. I am not saying that 15-20k is cheap but if you want the luxury of using an AP/PP for those activities you have to pay the price.

Agreed. I swam with mine in Cancun (both pool and sea) without reservation as it meets full dive spec and is rated to 300m, so I didn't get it to within 1/100th of that capability :), but am sure it's up to any realistic scuba diving activity for any human in a wetsuit (the Hodinkee videos posted by user good53 should illustrate this). :) And durability wise, from the sounds of it you'll be fine: it sounds like you're going to be far less rough with it than those pictured in the "AP beater" thread, and if they survived that abuse I think you will be just fine!!

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by improviz

Agreed. I swam with mine in Cancun (both pool and sea) without reservation as it meets full dive spec and is rated to 300m, so I didn't get it to within 1/100th of that capability :), but am sure it's up to any realistic scuba diving activity for any human in a wetsuit (the Hodinkee videos posted by user good53 should illustrate this). :) And durability wise, from the sounds of it you'll be fine: it sounds like you're going to be far less rough with it than those pictured in the "AP beater" thread, and if they survived that abuse I think you will be just fine!!

More enabling ......

[improviz]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

More enabling ......

I know what you mean, I got all the enablement I needed from Ben's pictures, on both the 15400 *and* the Diver!!

[goog53]

Jorge... Check these out and maybe they will sway you that it is not a fashion watch. After all many timex and g-shocks are all black. Looking forward to the incoming. (I have no affiliation with Hodinkee)
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/2012/6/...-diver-di.html
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/hands-o...ficial-pricing

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by goog53

Jorge... Check these out and maybe they will sway you that it is not a fashion watch. After all many timex and g-shocks are all black. Looking forward to the incoming. (I have no affiliation with Hodinkee)
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/2012/6/...-diver-di.html
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/hands-o...ficial-pricing

Now that you point it out, and went and navigate a little more on the subject and found this link :

http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle....-ceramic-diver




Basically what it says is that the ceramic watch is a watch that is better appreciated in person, unfortunately there is no AP dealer in my area (the closer is probably Cincinnati) Also says that the Ceramic is the only AP diver with a caseback that shows movement, That's a plus but I guess it needs to be seen in person and determine if it really worth the extra 5 k for that watch.
Also is also true that I am able to see the Genta backbone more so on the SS that in the Ceramic (even though is the same bezel shape but the black hide it more)
Will see............

[texex91]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

Basically what it says is that the ceramic watch is a watch that is better appreciated in person, unfortunately there is no AP dealer in my area (the closer is probably Cincinnati) Also says that the Ceramic is the only AP diver with a caseback that shows movement, That's a plus but I guess it needs to be seen in person and determine if it really worth the extra 5 k for that watch.
Also is also true that I am able to see the Genta backbone more so on the SS that in the Ceramic (even though is the same bezel shape but the black hide it more)
Will see............

Ceramic is Boutique only--so NYC or Miami are you're two bets

And for the record--ceramic all day.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by texex91

Ceramic is Boutique only--so NYC or Miami are you're two bets

And for the record--ceramic all day.

Thanks for info , that seals it for me. No Ceramic for me

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[2muchtimeonmyhands]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

Now that you point it out, and went and navigate a little more on the subject and found this link :

http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle....-ceramic-diver


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Basically what it says is that the ceramic watch is a watch that is better appreciated in person, unfortunately there is no AP dealer in my area (the closer is probably Cincinnati) Also says that the Ceramic is the only AP diver with a caseback that shows movement, That's a plus but I guess it needs to be seen in person and determine if it really worth the extra 5 k for that watch.
Also is also true that I am able to see the Genta backbone more so on the SS that in the Ceramic (even though is the same bezel shape but the black hide it more)
Will see............

Some fantastic photos in that article, that completely changed my opinion of the ceramic diver, its a beauty.
But.. being a proponent of your 3 watch theory, I don't need one

You previously described a potential 4th watch as a 'fun' watch that might become a permanent fixture. I can't think of anything more fun than a piece that could only be used for sports. You could always get one and then 'trial' it with an option to sell later, that doesn't seem to be straying too far from the original intention.

Hows that for enabling?

[JNS89]

Diver


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[JorgeCCW]

It really has presence

[improviz]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

It really has presence

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Bigtime!

[GB-man]

Jorge if you are comfortable with the size and heft of the diver then I say go for it. Frankly, I want one but am no longer willing to wear watches that heavy. I'd have my wallet out if AP decided to make a diver/44 RG/ceramic diver in a Rolex sub sized package. It would easily be a new favorite for me.

And I do mean heavy, my wrist is flat and 7.5 so I can carry it easily as I'm 6'4''!

Sadly I don't see this happening so ill likely add a RO, but there are other pieces in front on the list.

[subtona]

for your consideration/temptation:)

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by 2muchtimeonmyhands

Some fantastic photos in that article, that completely changed my opinion of the ceramic diver, its a beauty.
But.. being a proponent of your 3 watch theory, I don't need one

You previously described a potential 4th watch as a 'fun' watch that might become a permanent fixture. I can't think of anything more fun than a piece that could only be used for sports. You could always get one and then 'trial' it with an option to sell later, that doesn't seem to be straying too far from the original intention.

Hows that for enabling?

You are not helping.......
Not so long ago I was sold on the Aquanaut, (2nd time I try to buy one) But the Aquanaut it's an extra daily (I already have 2 Dailies) so now I think the AP should fit better (I just have 1 real sport watch)
So I am gonna give it some time, before deciding. Don't want pull the trigger and regret it....but if the itch sticks then I'll proceed.
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[AK797]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

You are not helping.......
Not so long ago I was sold on the Aquanaut, (2nd time I try to buy one) But the Aquanaut it's an extra daily (I already have 2 Dailies) so now I think the AP should fit better (I just have 1 real sport watch)
So I am gonna give it some time, before deciding. Don't want pull the trigger and regret it....but if the itch sticks then I'll proceed.
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Just don't sell the 5712r, tried it on today and it was stunning, so planning on getting that next year as per our clever 4-6 month waiting period.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by AK797

Just don't sell the 5712r, tried it on today and it was stunning, so planning on getting that next year as per our clever 4-6 month waiting period.

I won't , true I have a bad history of being impulsive with watches. But a benefit of owning all those watches on the past(Gotta have at least that, after all that loss of money) is that it gives me a better perspective of what I like and pounder every decision before doing anything. The "old Jorge" probably would of bought the Aquanaut and sold it ( lose money ) and bought the AP diver after (hoping that was right). So here I am again thinking that this time I got it right. But I know me better, so again if a prudential time has elapsed and I still feel the same way, then I know is the right call.

And yes the 5712R is amazing, a mix of elegance+sporty. So I really hope you get it, and i think also that digesting the idea on an specified amount of time is the right call. You save yourself regrets and save tons of $$$$$

[benlee]

So have you decided yet Jorge?

Some more enabling pic for your consideration.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by benlee

So have you decided yet Jorge?



Some more enabling pic for your consideration.

Now I see what they mean about your enabling ! Lol
Yes and No. Meaning, I truly Think that for my collection the only watch that fits is the AP diver in SS. So there is no completion, is either that or nothing. And that really helps with my mind. I am not pondering advantages of this vs that and so for. So the only adversary is time, if after a prudential time (trying to give me at least to end of year) I still feel like today then it will be my 4th watch for sure. But if I feel like "it's ok but not crazy about it", then I will pass. I been in this position before and I know is smarter to wait. I remember when I bought my APRO 15300, a moderator of another forum advise me to buy it on a post,10 min later I bought it ! Crazy. Nope never again, if it is for me it will be there for me in a few months. Hopefully I don't swallow my own words and end up buying it next month
Wish me luck !



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[benlee]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

Now I see what they mean about your enabling ! Lol
Yes and No. Meaning, I truly Think that for my collection the only watch that fits is the AP diver in SS. So there is no completion, is either that or nothing. And that really helps with my mind. I am not pondering advantages of this vs that and so for. So the only adversary is time, if after a prudential time (trying to give me at least to end of year) I still feel like today then it will be my 4th watch for sure. But I feel like "it's ok but not crazy about it", then I will pass. I been in this position before and I know is smarter to wait. I remember when I bought my APRO 15300, a moderator of another forum advise me to buy it on a post,10 min later I bought it ! Crazy. Nope never again, if it is for me it will be there for me in a few months. Hopefully I don't swallow my own words and end up buying it next month
Wish me luck !



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Yes, you definitely should not impulse buy. That's a sure way to get buyer's remorse later, not to mention a potential loss when you flip it. The watch has to sing to you, irregardless of my enabling pics. By the way, have you tried it on in person? The AP Diver is my first ever watch that I bought without ever trying on. Luckily no regrets since.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by benlee

Yes, you definitely should not impulse buy. That's a sure way to get buyer's remorse later, not to mention a potential loss when you flip it. The watch has to sing to you, irregardless of my enabling pics. By the way, have you tried it on in person? The AP Diver is my first ever watch that I bought without ever trying on. Luckily no regrets since.

No never. One more reason to be cautious
Is also true that there are bunch of watches that I bought without trying them first. Perfect example is my 5205R. And I love it !!