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Wilddyan · 27 January 2015, 02:23 AM

Hi guys

I am trying to find a nice beaten up but still good condition Snowflake- am close to pulling the trigger on the watch below- but before I do would love some advise as to yes or no...

p.s I know has slight engraving- don't mind it, gives it some lineage and provenance (unfortunately does not say MN though)

linesiders · 27 January 2015, 02:29 AM

Seen this one before somewhere - water damage / moisture causing whit dial to go goldish (not gilt), 80s service insert, lugs may be a bit thin. Pizza dial.

Wilddyan · 27 January 2015, 02:34 AM

So is that a stay away? I don't love the super clean dials- these watches are 40 years old, but if you think rubbish then will stay away

Thanks

linesiders · 27 January 2015, 02:46 AM

Depends on the price.

Does it have a Roulette red/black date wheel? If not, deduct
Black & pizza face are deductions (I happen to like them but there is a price cost)
Lugs look average
Some case pitting.
80s service insert, deduction

If the price is right and you like it - go for it ;)

Like mine - a fair but not stellar example.

Wilddyan · 27 January 2015, 02:47 AM

$3900...

Fabrice M · 27 January 2015, 02:55 AM

I like it but I have seen better for the price.

Wilddyan · 27 January 2015, 03:00 AM

What do you think is a fair price?

Have been struggling to find any snowflake for much less and then they really are dodgy...

Thanks

linesiders · 27 January 2015, 03:09 AM

3400-3500 USD would be a fair price on this IMO - I have been accused before of being low on prices - I would but it for 3K

Wilddyan · 27 January 2015, 03:10 AM

I have also been offered this one- but feel might be a little to clean for me, and the hand to dial patina is slightly off putting... Thoughts?

Wilddyan · 27 January 2015, 03:14 AM

water damage / moisture causing whit dial to go goldish (not gilt)

It was described as gilt by seller, you think he just doesn't realise?

Wilddyan · 27 January 2015, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by linesiders

3400-3500 USD would be a fair price on this IMO - I have been accused before of being low on prices - I would but it for 3K

Ok, will put it to seller and see what he says.

Thanks

TudorSnowflake · 27 January 2015, 02:08 PM

This is the third thread you've started.

Skidaddy · 27 January 2015, 03:42 PM

I recently bought a late 80's 79090 on the original bracelet, in very good condition and all documents, inner and outer box and the anchor- paid $3400

Wilddyan · 27 January 2015, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TudorSnowflake

This is the third thread you've started.

Yes, is a new watch to me and obviously need advise- hence turning to you guys. Threads seem to die/people lose interest after a while, therefore I have restarted a couple to see if can get some new opinions about different watches. Apologises if annoying, just needed advise.

Vincent65 · 27 January 2015, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilddyan

I have also been offered this one- but feel might be a little to clean for me, and the hand to dial patina is slightly off putting... Thoughts?

This Tudor sub snowflake belongs to Dan Pierce, and they are his photos of it. I was not aware he was selling it.

Edit: PM sent to DP

Vincent65 · 27 January 2015, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilddyan

I have also been offered this one- but feel might be a little to clean for me, and the hand to dial patina is slightly off putting... Thoughts?

Photos again, for ref.

Wilddyan · 27 January 2015, 10:26 PM

Hi guys, so what do people think of $3.6k for the first watch (black gilt)

Thanks

Vincent65 · 27 January 2015, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilddyan

Hi guys, so what do people think of $3.6k for the first watch (black gilt)

Thanks

Let's talk about the second (blue) one - who 'offered' to sell it to you?

Wilddyan · 27 January 2015, 10:52 PM

Why are you so concerned? Is between me and the seller.

Vincent65 · 27 January 2015, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilddyan

Why are you so concerned? Is between me and the seller.

1. Because I think you're full of it.

2. I want to establish that the owner, whom I know, and your 'seller,' are the same person, for obvious reasons. You've posted easily recognisable photos of a well-known watch, owned by a well-known member, who doesn't happen to have a FS ad here for said Tudor snowflake, as far as I can see.

That's why I'm 'concerned', mate.

And when I posted that the watch and its owner are well-known, you shifted back to the first one. Plus, it's weird that you've started 3 threads in a couple of days about the same thing.

Dan Pierce · 27 January 2015, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilddyan

Why are you so concerned? Is between me and the seller.

Because TRF is a tight knit community with friends worldwide that watch out for each other. They don't want to see anyone taken advantage of, buyer or seller. I'm blessed to call many my friends.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent65

1. Because I think you're full of it.

2. I want to establish that the owner, whom I know, and your 'seller,' are the same person, for obvious reasons. You've posted easily recognisable photos of a well-known watch, owned by a well-known member, who doesn't happen to have a FS ad here for said Tudor snowflake, as far as I can see.

That's why I'm 'concerned', mate.

And when I posted that the watch and its owner are well-known, you shifted back to the first one. Plus, it's weird that you've started 3 threads in a couple of days about the same thing.

PM replied to. Many thanks for watching my back, my friend.

Just to put all the cards out on the table. I contacted the OP and told him I was possibly thinking of selling my snowflake since he was on the lookout. He decided mine was not the level of patina he was after. So I offered to review the examples he was interested in.
dP

SUBversive · 27 January 2015, 11:42 PM

Someone overreacted.

Vincent65 · 27 January 2015, 11:45 PM

OK, glad that's been established! OP only had to say he'd been in talks with you when I said I recognised the watch and photos, and that would have been the end of it.

Indeed, pictures are sometimes erroneously used, so it puts both potential buyers and sellers, and owners [with no knowledge of, or intention of selling] at risk.

I'll get my coat...

Cheers Dan!

linesiders · 27 January 2015, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBversive

Someone overreacted.

I don't think so - it is becoming more common to see those photo hijacks happen. I was going to PM DP once I realized that was his watch.

SUBversive · 27 January 2015, 11:49 PM

Was suspicious ... But at least he didn't call it a Steve McQueen snowflake. So all is well.

Vincent65 · 27 January 2015, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBversive

Someone overreacted.

Well, maybe someone might use your photos to scam someone one day and you might then wish somebody had overreacted on your - and the buyer's - behalf.

SUBversive · 27 January 2015, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent65

Well, maybe someone might use your photos to scam someone one day and you might then wish somebody had overreacted on your - and the buyer's - behalf.

Correct!

Old Expat Beast · 27 January 2015, 11:51 PM

I think the OP deserves an apology.

donaker · 27 January 2015, 11:59 PM

I for one am glad this community looks after its own and raises questions when they suspect there may be issues with a potential sale. Thanks for having Dan's back Vincent65.

I also hope Wilddyan can see this for what it was and not as an insult to his integrity. Should he continue to positively contribute to this community, he'll surely be extended the same courtesy someday. :)

Vincent65 · 28 January 2015, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

I think the OP deserves an apology.

You can give him one, then.

27 January 2015, 02:23 AM	#1
Wilddyan "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: London Posts: 149	Help!!! Tudor help... Hi guys I am trying to find a nice beaten up but still good condition Snowflake- am close to pulling the trigger on the watch below- but before I do would love some advise as to yes or no... p.s I know has slight engraving- don't mind it, gives it some lineage and provenance (unfortunately does not say MN though)

27 January 2015, 02:29 AM	#2
linesiders 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,503	Seen this one before somewhere - water damage / moisture causing whit dial to go goldish (not gilt), 80s service insert, lugs may be a bit thin. Pizza dial. __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

27 January 2015, 02:46 AM	#4
linesiders 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,503	Depends on the price. Does it have a Roulette red/black date wheel? If not, deduct Black & pizza face are deductions (I happen to like them but there is a price cost) Lugs look average Some case pitting. 80s service insert, deduction If the price is right and you like it - go for it ;) Like mine - a fair but not stellar example. __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

27 January 2015, 03:09 AM	#8
linesiders 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,503	3400-3500 USD would be a fair price on this IMO - I have been accused before of being low on prices - I would but it for 3K __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

27 January 2015, 11:59 PM	#29
donaker "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Canada Watch: Dad's 5508 Posts: 355	I for one am glad this community looks after its own and raises questions when they suspect there may be issues with a potential sale. Thanks for having Dan's back Vincent65. I also hope Wilddyan can see this for what it was and not as an insult to his integrity. Should he continue to positively contribute to this community, he'll surely be extended the same courtesy someday. :) __________________

27 January 2015, 02:34 AM	#3
Wilddyan "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: London Posts: 149	So is that a stay away? I don't love the super clean dials- these watches are 40 years old, but if you think rubbish then will stay away Thanks

27 January 2015, 02:47 AM	#5
Wilddyan "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: London Posts: 149	$3900...

27 January 2015, 02:55 AM	#6
Fabrice M 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Denver Watch: This and that... Posts: 1,649	I like it but I have seen better for the price.

27 January 2015, 03:00 AM	#7
Wilddyan "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: London Posts: 149	What do you think is a fair price? Have been struggling to find any snowflake for much less and then they really are dodgy... Thanks

27 January 2015, 03:10 AM	#9
Wilddyan "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: London Posts: 149	I have also been offered this one- but feel might be a little to clean for me, and the hand to dial patina is slightly off putting... Thoughts?

27 January 2015, 03:14 AM	#10
Wilddyan "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: London Posts: 149	water damage / moisture causing whit dial to go goldish (not gilt) It was described as gilt by seller, you think he just doesn't realise?

27 January 2015, 02:08 PM	#12
TudorSnowflake "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Erf Watch: Heritage Ranger Posts: 225	This is the third thread you've started.

27 January 2015, 03:42 PM	#13
Skidaddy "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Los Angeles,CA Watch: Tudor Sub 79090 Posts: 24	I recently bought a late 80's 79090 on the original bracelet, in very good condition and all documents, inner and outer box and the anchor- paid $3400

27 January 2015, 10:26 PM	#17
Wilddyan "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: London Posts: 149	Hi guys, so what do people think of $3.6k for the first watch (black gilt) Thanks

27 January 2015, 10:52 PM	#19
Wilddyan "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: London Posts: 149	Why are you so concerned? Is between me and the seller.

27 January 2015, 11:42 PM	#22
SUBversive Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: ri Watch: Sun Dial Posts: 14,346	Someone overreacted.

27 January 2015, 11:45 PM	#23
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	OK, glad that's been established! OP only had to say he'd been in talks with you when I said I recognised the watch and photos, and that would have been the end of it. Indeed, pictures are sometimes erroneously used, so it puts both potential buyers and sellers, and owners [with no knowledge of, or intention of selling] at risk. I'll get my coat... Cheers Dan!

27 January 2015, 11:49 PM	#25
SUBversive Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: ri Watch: Sun Dial Posts: 14,346	Was suspicious ... But at least he didn't call it a Steve McQueen snowflake. So all is well.

27 January 2015, 11:51 PM	#28
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,826	I think the OP deserves an apology.

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