DRSD - Can you help me validate please

[zederhoff]

This DRSD came up.

I would appreciate some comments.

From what I can se it's a MK2 Dial with a caseback that matches a MK2 Dial.
But I am not sure if the dial is OK.

The lume at 6 o'clock seems a bit rough. Would this be normal?
Is the "7" on the date-wheel correct?

I notice the hands and dial has different lume. Do you think it's within acceptable range?

Do you see any issues with this watch?

I don't have the serial# yet. I will post it when I get it.
Thanks,

Klaus

[Robbyvm]

some better pictures would be helpfull....

[zederhoff]

Yes, I know. I have asked for better ones.
I do think it's possible to answer some of my questions from the ones published.

[marcello pisani]

from these blurry pics I could only say that hands are not matching indexes and crown seems a later replacement one.

[zederhoff]

Thank you very much.

Is the "7" on the date-wheel - seen in one of the pictures the correct one?

I will try to get better pictures and the serial.
Strange how some people whom want to sell expensive watches don't provide good pictures.

Thanks,

Klaus

[marcello pisani]

Originally Posted by zederhoff

Thank you very much.

Is the "7" on the date-wheel - seen in one of the pictures the correct one?

I will try to get better pictures and the serial.
Strange how some people whom want to sell expensive watches don't provide good pictures.

Thanks,

Klaus

this is a bad clue ... LOL LOL LOL

[zederhoff]

Thank you Marcello,

All the ones I have seen was the "normal" 7 from Rolex.
But I have not seen many "7" on DRSD - hard to find pictures. So I was unsure about this one.

I guess this is a fake then.
The watch is on ebay - watch out fellow DRSD hunters

Thanks,

Klaus

[zederhoff]

I got the serial, its 2.819.xxx
Searching this forum and in general I can not find a single DRSD ever presented from a serious seller with 2.8 or 2.9 even if this is the range for MK2.

Got 2 bad pictures with case stamps. Does this look right to you?

Please note the "7" on the date wheel. I have found pictures of one other DRSD with the same date wheel - but it was on an other 2.9 mill DRSD.

All other DRSD's I can find has the normal "7"

My question is, are 2.8 and 2.9 serials considered valid for DRSD.
Would the date wheel be correct for this period.

Caseback.
I have found a lot of CB stamped "67". And a lot stamped "72".
Are there even casebacks stamped "69" for DRSD?

Again the only other one I have seen was on a serial 2.9 with the same "7" as this one. I don't know if it was a fake or real.

Would be thankful for any comments.

Thanks,

Klaus

[professorv]

For what it's worth, this single red from 1967 auctioned by southebys a couple years ago appears to have had the same style of 7 on the date wheel.

[zederhoff]

This watch is also discussed here: http://www.vintagerolexforum.com/

[marcello pisani]

just enlarged the two terrific pics of case/reference numbers ...
my advice ?? run away !

[marcello pisani]

simply fantastic .. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LL

[zederhoff]

Thank you!

I was hesitating about this watch. So nice to have that confirmed.

This is the 3'rd watch out of 5 Rolex 1665 from e-bay that turns out to be fake or franken.

This is my track record for apr. one month following e-bay auctions

DRSD - for sale for 16.000€ - still up for sale. Communication with seller ended when I wanted photo of caseback and movement.

Rail Dial was sold for 6000€ - Fake

DRSD - sold for 12.000€ - Fake

Rail Dial - sold for 12.000$ to HQ milton

This one - closed before auction end so who knows what was paid - for a fake...

It's a minefield!

Thanks again,

Klaus

[marcello pisani]

you are welcome !
in any case you just have to quit e-bay about watches ...
and as I wrote before : bad pics most times are a very bad clue !!
LOL LOL LOL

[zederhoff]

Well, at least I gave you a good laugh :-)

It's a bit of a hard market for a vintage newbee.
Get ripped by the established sellers or get robbed by the ebay fakers.
But it's fun chasing.

I am learning everyday at the moment so hopefully I'll be posting fewer fake watches and more nice vintage watches in the future.

[marcello pisani]

better " ripped " than " robbed " .. LOL LOL LOL
in any case maybe established sellers have no " fair " prices .. but if you expect to buy for a cheap price a watch all genuine / consistent to production time and in good conditions ..
you will probably have to search for years.
good stuff is almost finished .. so expect even higher prices in the next future ...

[Vincent65]

stay away from eBay unless you know what you're doing

[willang]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

stay away from eBay unless you know what you're doing

After perusing ebay and other sites for the past month, I am coming to the same conclusion....

[mluther]

..and if it's a great watch at a reasonable price, it's gone before you can say "double red sea dweller".

[springer]

Originally Posted by marcello pisani

this is a bad clue ... LOL LOL LOL

That is a late 1960s date wheel, so I would say it is correct unless Marcello knows something about Sea Dwellers having a special date wheel.

[marcello pisani]

Originally Posted by springer

That is a late 1960s date wheel, so I would say it is correct unless Marcello knows something about Sea Dwellers having a special date wheel.

but this damned watch has many big problems ( to say the very least )
LOL LOL LOL

[springer]

Originally Posted by marcello pisani

but this damned watch has many big problems ( to say the very least )
LOL LOL LOL

Yes the watch has problems ... no argument there. But when I see questions here and elsewhere regarding the date wheel, my response was directed at that. There seems to be this fascination with date wheels now - it's the latest vintage fad - now that patina, polished cases, chamfers and other minutia have been beat to death.

[marcello pisani]

Originally Posted by springer

Yes the watch has problems ... no argument there. But when I see questions here and elsewhere regarding the date wheel, my response was directed at that. There seems to be this fascination with date wheels now - it's the latest vintage fad - now that patina, polished cases, chamfers and other minutia have been beat to death.

there will be nothing new to say !

[joli160]

Originally Posted by zederhoff

Thank you!

I was hesitating about this watch. So nice to have that confirmed.

This is the 3'rd watch out of 5 Rolex 1665 from e-bay that turns out to be fake or franken.

This is my track record for apr. one month following e-bay auctions

This one - closed before auction end so who knows what was paid - for a fake...

It's a minefield!

Thanks again,

Klaus

Best is to stay away from vintage all together, for me that ship has sailed. You hardly find one without issues.

[powerfunk]

Originally Posted by joli160

Best is to stay away from vintage all together, for me that ship has sailed. You hardly find one without issues.

This is how I feel, about the popular vintage pieces anyway. As beautiful as they are, I have no more desire to hunt for a Red Sub, DRSD, 1655, Newman Daytona or any other 20k+ vintage Rolex. Just too much incentive for tomfoolery out there; the hunt would be more stress than fun for me.

There are still plenty of cool underappreciated vintage Rolexes out there if you're ok with 36mm and under.

[CharlieMae]

I had a buyer of one of my watches once insist that my date wheel was incorrect and that was the reason he wouldnt buy the watch. I explained to him that he was incorrect and that the date wheel was original to the watch, I even showed him references to verify the date wheel was correct. Not interested. I then offered to change the date wheel to whichever one he wanted at my expense. He refused. At the end of the day, he was a tire kicker and had no interest in the watch at all, and was just window shopping.

The point of the story is that some people use date wheels or crowns or a bracelet being short one link as a reason to disparage an entire watch or to walk away from a purchase. The truth of the matter is that any one of those items could be replaced for about $100.

I love finding watches that are cheap and incorrect and then using my knowledge and experience to correct it and make it original and proper.

I agree with Springer, the new fad is datewheels, I have been getting a lot of that BS lately. I am also buying up all of the cream, brushed silver, open 6, etc. datewheels I can find for the yahoos that insist on one or another.

[CharlieMae]

Powerfunk: Do you want to know how many fake 36mm and under watches I see everyday? Fake mickey mouse dials, cotton bowl dials, marijuana leaf dials, refinished dials, incorrect case backs, after market 19mm bracelets, generic replacement handsets, etc..

If you think that tom foolery is exclusive to the big dollar watches then you are mistaken. Just like people think that the only counterfeit currency is 100 and 50 bills, I have seen plenty of 20's and 10's that are phony for the exact reasons you mentioned.

People THINK that the lower value watches (and bills) are not worth faking because the dollar amounts are lower. However, they are also less scrutinized and as a result can be faked more easily without detection

Learn the hobby and study what is correct and not, or pay a premium to a seller who is reputable and knowledgeable to do the work for you.

[powerfunk]

Originally Posted by CharlieMae

If you think that tom foolery is exclusive to the big dollar watches then you are mistaken.

Yes, I'm aware that fake Rolexes are very common in every size and price range.

Originally Posted by CharlieMae

Learn the hobby and study what is correct and not, or pay a premium to a seller who is reputable and knowledgeable to do the work for you.

Agree with you there. I just don't find that much fun in double-checking generally-accepted bezel and dial "marks" nowadays, nor are today's premium prices particularly palatable to me. Nowadays I just personally find it more fun to learn about and hunt for things like 1530's, Zephyrs, and other interesting watches that haven't been discussed (and overpriced) to death yet.