AP v. Hublot

[jdkrut]

I am looking for some advice (although I already think I know the answer). I purchased a new AP and I want to sell another watch from my collection to fund it. I am deciding between selling an AP Rubberclad, Stainless Steel, Black Dial (H Series -- the last dial) and a Hublot All Black Ferrari. Any advice is appreciated.

[rebel_1]

So long Hublot!

[jjnd08]

Easy. Ditch the Hublot.

[lapince]

Bye bye Hublot, for me Hublot is an expensive copy of AP ROO models, and when I say copy I really mean copy and not in a good way, keep the AP, please

[goog53]

Hublot needs to go but be ready to take a huge hit

[FightOnSC!]

well, although i say the Hublot goes...perhaps you hit you'll take on price with it makes it not the best financial option to part with it (emotional feelings toward the brand aside)

[lapince]

Originally Posted by goog53

Hublot needs to go but be ready to take a huge hit

Well if he bought it right, either grey dealer or even better pre owned, it will be ok, if he paid retail, ouch then yep it's gonna be hard, from what I've seen/heard, depending on model, you sell for 40 to 50% of the retail price, just really hope for the OP he bought it right

[thurgood]

Hublot blows

[jdkrut]

Don't worry, I bought it right -- should not be much of a hit, if any! This is purely an ownership question, not a financial one as I should do the same with either. Just curious whether anyone has looked at these Hublot Unicos before. The movements are in house, the case designs and materials are complex, is it really so bad?

[lapince]

Originally Posted by jdkrut

Don't worry, I bought it right -- should not be much of a hit, if any! This is purely an ownership question, not a financial one as I should do the same with either. Just curious whether anyone has looked at these Hublot Unicos before. The movements are in house, the case designs and materials are complex, is it really so bad?

Ok so basically you have kind of ears like on the Patek Nautilus models, and the case and bezel more or less like AP, so yes in my book it is really that bad, I'm not saying it's a horrible watch, but I kinda don't like very much when brands copy others, on this pic you clearly see the "ears" and the case/bezel AP style

[jdkrut]

Thanks, Arnaud. Will be glad to replace the black Hublot with the new AP black ceramic diver I bought yesterday. A better way to go all black.

[eonflux]

Besides making me think of an RO, the Hublot bezel/case also calls to mind the IWC Ingenieur. There are too many design elements filched from Genta designs for PP, AP, and IWC. Certainly, watch designs (like automotive) often liberally borrow from others, but these Hublots are perhaps a bit too derivative.

[lapince]

Originally Posted by jdkrut

Thanks, Arnaud. Will be glad to replace the black Hublot with the new AP black ceramic diver I bought yesterday. A better way to go all black.

You got the ceramic diver? HUGE congrats, if you followed some of my posts you know that for me it's a stunning piece, wear it in the best of health

Originally Posted by eonflux

Besides making me think of an RO, the Hublot bezel/case also calls to mind the IWC Ingenieur. There are too many design elements filched from Genta designs for PP, AP, and IWC. Certainly, watch designs (like automotive) often liberally borrow from others, but these Hublots are perhaps a bit too derivative.

Oh yeah, forgot about IWC, was focused on AP and PP, but you're right

[jdkrut]

Thanks. I bought the AP ceramic diver yesterday and I did see your posts. Very excited to have it.

[benlee]

Originally Posted by lapince

Ok so basically you have kind of ears like on the Patek Nautilus models, and the case and bezel more or less like AP, so yes in my book it is really that bad, I'm not saying it's a horrible watch, but I kinda don't like very much when brands copy others, on this pic you clearly see the "ears" and the case/bezel AP style
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Mr Biver not long ago put up an aggressive defense of Hublot's design in a Hodinkee video interview ( google it ) by saying that all three brands ( PP Nautilus, AP RO and Hublot Big Bang ) draws inspiration from the Porthole and it's not like Hublot copies AP and in fact, he alleges that Nautilus copied RO and AP copied Hublot on the rubber strap. To a certain extent, I think he got a valid point, because essentially, there are only so many ways one can make a sporty, oversized sports watch and similarities are going to be unavoidable. That being said, I never liked Hublot not so much because of their looks but because I find their finishing sub-par and the movement in most case questionable for the price charged, even though I will occasionally warm up to some of their pieces.

The fact that the head of Hublot, Mr Biver himself is an avid collector of Pateks says much indirectly about the value/brand equity of Hublots I feel.

[jdkrut]

I saw that interview. It was interesting. The Nautilus is clearly an extremely high-end knockoff of the Royal Oak, but you rarely hear that stated in polite company. By the way, about 3-4 years ago, AP sent me a customer survey to fill out that asked all kinds of questions about my thoughts on AP and other brands. One of the major sections in the survey contained questions comparing AP to Patek and to Hublot. Questions related to which was the most event garde, which had the finest finishing, etc.

[bradj]

Hublot is the invicta of the watch world... oh wait...

[lapince]

Originally Posted by benlee

Mr Biver not long ago put up an aggressive defense of Hublot's design in a Hodinkee video interview ( google it ) by saying that all three brands ( PP Nautilus, AP RO and Hublot Big Bang ) draws inspiration from the Porthole and it's not like Hublot copies AP and in fact, he alleges that Nautilus copied RO and AP copied Hublot on the rubber strap. To a certain extent, I think he got a valid point, because essentially, there are only so many ways one can make a sporty, oversized sports watch and similarities are going to be unavoidable. That being said, I never liked Hublot not so much because of their looks but because I find their finishing sub-par and the movement in most case questionable for the price charged, even though I will occasionally warm up to some of their pieces.

The fact that the head of Hublot, Mr Biver himself is an avid collector of Pateks says much indirectly about the value/brand equity of Hublots I feel.

Of course in a way there is a "general" similarity between the RO and the Nautilus, but only in a general sense and each has it's own singularities very different from each other, whereas IMO, there are specific similarities between Hublot and PP/AP, and that is a huge difference, the screws on the bezel, the hour and minute hands, on some models the "ears", all that and others seems like things they copied from AP/PP but slightly changed them just enough not to be sued

[AK797]

Hublot does get a tough rap here and I understand why as they are viewed as more fashion watches without much pedigree with mostly ETA mvmnts and yet a very high price. That said they are moving in the right direction and I quite like some of their designs, but I wouldn't pick a Hublot over an AP so would keep the RC.

[el1125]

Bye bye Hublot

[texex91]

Hu Blow

[lapince]

Originally Posted by texex91

Hu Blow

HAHAHAHA, great one Paul

[srvrf]

This has been brought up here quite a few times and I'll say again that I don't believe Hublot is all that bad. They did give us the luxury watch on a rubber strap. And I love wearing my ROC, Daytona and PAM on their rubber straps, especially now in the summer.

But if you're talking about say having $20k to spend on an AP or Hublot, I will wholeheartedly agree with the masses and say AP by a landslide.

[Epwerkz]

Arios HUBLOT!! Only the Ferrari rosegold model is the banger lol..

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by jdkrut

Thanks, Arnaud. Will be glad to replace the black Hublot with the new AP black ceramic diver I bought yesterday. A better way to go all black.

BOOM lol I have a feeling we are going to see a lot of AP fans get the ceramic diver in short order here, and for good reason

I would also let the hublot go. I don't like them at all and feel no need to elaborate on why. It's a dead horse on trf.

[masterkiller]

Not a fan of that perticular Hublot, but really love the brand in general, love this one that I most likely will own one day, but settled for the Diver for now ...

[Abdullasaif]

My hublot. Selling it in a few months for hopefully a jumbo

[Hairdude1]

Bye bye Hublot, those screws drive me nuts on the bezel

[.db]

Ciao ciao Hublot!

[lapince]

Originally Posted by Hairdude1

Bye bye Hublot, those screws drive me nuts on the bezel

Alex, me it's not only the screws, again when I see these 2 pics sure they are not so bad, but to me if you want a sporty high end watch, better go for the original and get one of the AP ROO models, at least the screws are positioned in a certain symmetrical way, not like Hu Blow (sorry Paul I'm borrowing your expression but I find it very funny) where the screws are positioned I don't know how.

I think if you want high end luxury sport or top notch modern watches, then it's AP ROO or RM