Coke vs Pepsi...does it matter

[sgucla]

Thank you both for your answer. Just went to the link above! Thank u

[azguy]

Love my classic

[Tools]

Originally Posted by sgucla

Thank you! The watch was advertised as original coke with Pepsi inckuded as well. But according to style number it's actually a black GMT bezel from your reference up on top. Hmm how does that affect value?

It doesn't affect value at all unless you want to pay more "just because". Condition affects value, and desirability in the marketplace. It looks to me like this seller is trying to maximize his profit by including two inserts, even if they are the wrong ones, so, condition is the driver here.

You should never buy a poor condition watch with an original insert over a good condition watch with an insert replacement at the same cost.

A new insert is about 50 bucks in the case you cite, but you have a black/red and a blue/red, so what is the value to you that it doesn't have the original black insert (which could have been switched by the Dealer at purchase)

[Speed]

A savvy buyer will use whatever s/he can to negotiate a price downward. I.e. calling out that a watch does not come with the stipulated insert... Not a big deal in my book for references that had multiple possible inserts.

[joe100]

Btw, this is what I was talking about on earlier GMTs

[springer]

I believe the insert codes A, B and N were not applicable on the 16750 and 16760. They all seemed to have an "A" in the style number. I've never seen a 16750 with anything other than an "A" following the model number.

I believe the A, B and N coding to differentiate bezel inserts came later beginning with the 16700 then the 16710.

The last two USA sold GMT 16760s that I owned all had the "A" code following the model number in the style listing.

[T. Ferguson]

Originally Posted by springer

I believe the insert codes A, B and N were not applicable on the 16750 and 16760. They all seemed to have an "A" in the style number. I've never seen a 16750 with anything other than an "A" following the model number.

I believe the A, B and N coding to differentiate bezel inserts came later beginning with the 16700 then the 16710.

The last two USA sold GMT 16760s that I owned all had the "A" code following the model number in the style listing.

That would make total sense since the 16760 only came in Coke flavor.

[jcd]

Originally Posted by ABChop

My A serial 16700 from 1999 came with a black insert.
I then bought a new Coke insert for $100 from an AD....and then a pepsi.
I prefer the Coke myself....but the Pepsi gets noticed the most.

What I can't figure out is you see new inserts (not faded ones) for sale for $200+.
I bought mine new from a local AD....installed on my watch for $100.
So why are guys trying to sell these for double what it costs at the AD??
Aren't they available at all AD's?

Maybe they are in Canada. When I bought my 16710 last February, I called the 2 ADs local to me and both said they could only get the insert from Rolex that was installed on my watch when new. $80. I assume that's not unique to my area of the country, so that likely explains the cost. $200 didn't seem out of line to me so I bucked up and spent it. I'm really happy with the result.

As to the price of 16710s, I did notice when I was searching for mine the Pepsi seemed to be more than the others. Black seemed to be the least. I bought a super nice black one from DavidSW and I added the other 2 inserts for less than I have seen many pepsi ones listed for. Of course, who knows what those actually sell for, but still.....

[Chaching]

Pepsi > Coke The Pepsi GMT is an "Iconic Watch" ....why I own a 1997 "T" Dial. Love the Lug Holes!

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by T. Ferguson

This really only concerns the 16710 since it was the only SS GMT that was offered in both Coke and Pepsi (and black).

Since the original GMT came only with the Pepsi insert I think people hold that a tad more dear than the Coke. So perhaps one with a Pepsi reference number in the paperwork is worth a bit more. But if you have both inserts I don't believe there is any real way to tell if the the one that matches the reference number is original to the watch.

So, if the Pepsi 16710 is indeed worth more than the Coke it probably has more to do with the reference number than the insert color.

BTW, I'm no vintage expert, but hey, the 16710 ain't exactly vintage so I offered my two cents.

I believe the year 2000 was when the Coke insert was introduced and the 16700 discontinued so only the 16710 got it.

[joe100]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

I believe the year 2000 was when the Coke insert was introduced and the 16700 discontinued so only the 16710 got it.

The coke insert was introduced in 1983 on the 16760

[Nycturbovr6]

Great thread !

[sgucla]

I swear the more I learn the more questions I have lol

[tcpx]

If it was only as easy to swap out ceramic bezels like it was with the aluminum ones

[T. Ferguson]

Originally Posted by tcpx

If it was only as easy to swap out ceramic bezels like it was with the aluminum ones

Or as cheap!

[chains007]

I went through the same dilemma and ended up getting one that was originally black, but came with a new pepsi. I had my heart set on coke and just went to the RSC to get it swapped out to a coke insert ($78+tax) and I got to keep the pepsi. So now i have all 3 :)

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by joe100

The coke insert was introduced in 1983 on the 16760

Interesting and thanks; the only reference I could find said 2000. So '83 is quite a bit earlier.

[Lpugliese]

@blackdog
love the coke with jubilee! one of my all time favorite.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Interesting and thanks; the only reference I could find said 2000. So '83 is quite a bit earlier.

Yes indeed. The GMT II originally only came in black/red, and so you should be saying that a red/blue GMT II is not proper as these are the "colors" for the GMT Master.

While the GMT II (16760) only came in black/red, the 16700 GMT Master that sold along side the GMT II came in either red/blue or black.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by Tools

Yes indeed. The GMT II originally only came in black/red, and so you should be saying that a red/blue GMT II is not proper as these are the "colors" for the GMT Master.

While the GMT II (16760) only came in black/red, the 16700 GMT Master that sold along side the GMT II came in either red/blue or black.

More great information; gracias!!!

[sgucla]

Finally made a decision and bought a 16710BLRO!!! From
A TD here....fed ex delivers tomorrow am :)

[joe100]

Originally Posted by sgucla

Finally made a decision and bought a 16710BLRO!!! From
A TD here....fed ex delivers tomorrow am :)

Good on ya. A classic choice

[rollee1]

Originally Posted by sgucla

Finally made a decision and bought a 16710BLRO!!! From
A TD here....fed ex delivers tomorrow am :)

Awesome choice

[jcd]

Originally Posted by sgucla

Finally made a decision and bought a 16710BLRO!!! From
A TD here....fed ex delivers tomorrow am :)

Well done. Congrats. I'm sure he'll love it.

[Lpugliese]

Congrats!

[sgucla]

Thank you! Can't wait to see it tomorrow :)

[fishingbear]

I like them both and most definitely the advantage of the 5 digit sport references

[Blackdog]

Originally Posted by sgucla

Finally made a decision and bought a 16710BLRO!!! From
A TD here....fed ex delivers tomorrow am :)

Congratulations ! You're going to love it !

[Racerdj]

One thing is for sure, many have both bezels.

[sgucla]