considering a AP... Opinions for those experienced

[Canook]

Originally Posted by outtatime

Not sure what you're really after here...you posted asking for opinions. Many have told you to be very careful (actually, to outright walk away) and you keep insisting it's legit. If you're convinced it's fine then what advice are you seeking?

Just my $.02, but you seem to be insisting that the advice everyone is giving you is wrong. If that's the case, you should do what you feel is best. And I hope for your sake you're not getting scammed. Good luck!

mate i dont think im explaining myself clearly... at no point am i "insisting" as you put it thats its legit....

the advice im asking is what are the chances of one going this cheap... and if anyone has experience with these type of scams.

it has my curiosity yes... am i stupid enough to part with money if its not 100% no!

the original question was based on my lack of knowledge on the current pricing on these second hand and as i stated looking on Chrono24 is not exactly a "bible" of what things are worth...
What people ask and expect are very often far from the selling value.... hence my question to the general AP community on is the price believable?

My question was not an argument it was a question.... and as i stated in this neck of the woods the demographic is quite different. one of the watch shops that i frequent has told me how much he has paid for some PP and AP from customers desperate to sell and it astounds me that people are that desperate..... they dont have "pawn shops" here as such so when locals are desperate they sell to get what they can....

i will make up my mind this weekend weather im going to have a look at it or not, but rest assured no money will part hands until it is checked by the AD or their service center and confirmed as legit

[mickyd329]

I don't think all of this arguing back and forth is helping the OP.
He came on to ask a valuation question and many have given their 2 cents.
It's up to the OP to do his due diligence and make up his mind..


To the OP. Just do your due diligence. Have it inspected at an AD to verify authenticity before you purchase. The fact is that the price you are being offered is unusually low. Just be careful. If it ends up being an authentic piece, then that price is a bargain and you got yourself a great deal.

Good luck and hope it works out to be the real deal..

[Star Ferry]

If it's authentic and in good condition, then you should buy

The question is: Why would he sell to you for $8,500? Couldn't he get a better price from a used watch shop? I have shopped for AP before in HK but have not seen a price this low -- however, the situation in Malaysia may be different

[lapince]

Originally Posted by csquared317

Check out this thread. That lead to a crazy other thread but it shows that the watch looked really good until it was opened.

http://www.watchprosite.com/?page=wf...pzt=1458279475

Yeah... But I read both parties on this story, and to be honest none of the 2 are clear here, you're gonna tell me that the guy is so stupid he posts a pic of a fake AP movement and didn't know it was fake? Come on, you look on internet and there are tons of pics, I think he switched the movement and is trying to scam the AP owner who sent it to get back his Rolex, what better way to act like he doesn't know and ask forum members what they think, and he really doesn't seem shocked or angry at all, that they say it' a fake, he is not clear IMO...

Oh and for me there is no way this is legit, get it inspected inside out by an AD, and have checked if it's not stolen, and if these 2 things check out then go for it, I would be really surprised if they did check out though, no need to go there, just tell the seller you want to go to an AD and have it checked for these 2 things, if it is a scam he won't respond, or say he can't because of some reason, it already happened to me when buying a watch, usually when the scammer knows you want full inspection, you won't hear from him anymore, if he says no problem do it anyways as he might be thinking that you'll trust him and won't go through with it, but he'll usually just disappear...

[R1@160@alltimes]

Seems like you just want THAT ap regardless of what everyone is saying

[lapince]

Originally Posted by R1@160@alltimes

Seems like you just want THAT ap regardless of what everyone is saying

if he has an AD check authenticity and if not stolen why not, if he buys it without doing this then I would imagine a bad surprise one day

[punta del este]

Unless I knew the seller and there was a genuine reason for sale (sometimes there is a need for urgent cash) I would not waste time with it as something is not right.

Its a lot of money below market value, but if you want it go for it with your eyes open.

[Canook]

Originally Posted by R1@160@alltimes

Seems like you just want THAT ap regardless of what everyone is saying

Lol! No and again you have not read what I've said... I wouldn't buy it unless it was 100% authenticated by the AD as simple as that! However if it turned out to be 100% wouldn't it be well worth the effort to get it checked for that price?

I'm sure if he's not legit then he won't let it go to the AD for authentication so there would be my answer on proceeding... I'm by no means a fool... My post was to see if these have been found for around these prices ... Perfect example is go to Thailand and price a second hand Rolex .... The prices there are astronomical Because of the popularity there yet price another watch there over 44mm and they are dirt cheap because large watches are not popular there.
I bought my tag grand Carrera calibre 17RS for $1350usd complete from a shop because they are not popular in that region

Hence my original question figuring that perhaps this model AP goes for these prices in certain areas by demographic... It was not asked as to start a debate about my single mindedness or lack of common sense

For those who answered with legit answers thank you as that was what I wanted to know

[Daycruiser]

Originally Posted by Canook

yeah thats sort of what im thinking, all the numbers on the box match up and from what research ive done on the "fake busters" sites it appears to be 100%

Look bro, the logic is simple, a lot of watch sellers on chrono24 are in the money laundering business. They buy from distributors in cash and sell it at a discount price, so their books look legit. They want volumn and high turnover. They are not trying to make money from the watch, they are trying to wash their money clean. That's my experience and what I know from some shady characters.

I for one would not buy it. Who knows what crime one would be supporting by doing so? Human trafficking? Drug smuggling? Prostitution?

[outtatime]

Originally Posted by Canook

mate i dont think im explaining myself clearly... at no point am i "insisting" as you put it thats its legit....

the advice im asking is what are the chances of one going this cheap... and if anyone has experience with these type of scams.

it has my curiosity yes... am i stupid enough to part with money if its not 100% no!

the original question was based on my lack of knowledge on the current pricing on these second hand and as i stated looking on Chrono24 is not exactly a "bible" of what things are worth...
What people ask and expect are very often far from the selling value.... hence my question to the general AP community on is the price believable?

My question was not an argument it was a question.... and as i stated in this neck of the woods the demographic is quite different. one of the watch shops that i frequent has told me how much he has paid for some PP and AP from customers desperate to sell and it astounds me that people are that desperate..... they dont have "pawn shops" here as such so when locals are desperate they sell to get what they can....

i will make up my mind this weekend weather im going to have a look at it or not, but rest assured no money will part hands until it is checked by the AD or their service center and confirmed as legit

In that case, IMO (and the opinions of most others here) is that there is virtually 0% chance of this price being believable, unless it's stolen or fake/Franken.

Beyond that, you're obviously free to do as you please. I wish you the best of luck, again.

[Canook]

ok after doing some more research i have found out you can buy 1:1 "swiss"(yes i know they are not swiss) copies with individual matching paperwork just like the real thing....

so i have decided not to persue it as the closest AD is 80km from him and its not worth the stuffing around.

Im still on the hunt for a AP but will buy one from a shop with a guarantee, there is a abundance of second hand and grey dealers here.

im considering trading in my TT sub-c for one at a local shop(he sells new and used) for a beautiful 15710st he has in stock that was purchased from the AP boutique locally 2 years ago.

[rolex01]

Originally Posted by Canook

im considering trading in my TT sub-c for one at a local shop(he sells new and used) for a beautiful 15710st he has in stock that was purchased from the AP boutique locally 2 years ago.

15710 only launched in year 2015 unless you are refering to the discounted model 15703.

[Canook]

Originally Posted by rolex01

15710 only launched in year 2015 unless you are refering to the discounted model 15703.

my bad! you are correct.. just went back and checked and it is a 15703

[srvrf]

Originally Posted by Canook

ok after doing some more research i have found out you can buy 1:1 "swiss"(yes i know they are not swiss) copies with individual matching paperwork just like the real thing....

Look at the typeface of the word "Offshore" on this watch and compare to others on the web. That should give you confirmation of what you and others here suspect.

Now if you do find a legit Volcano it may be slightly less than say a regular ROO because the orange isn't as universally appealing. But of course not $8500.