Does the 16610LV look Kosher?

[freefly]

Originally Posted by Atone

I do see the differences in the "O" in Rolex and the "swiss made" as well, certainly not encouraging.

The dial looks fine. There were a couple different dial (and bezel) variations on these.

Originally Posted by patrolmi

If you compare it to the one in the thread above this, you can see a number of variances -- With the old dial that's off -- the 5 in the 50 looks messed up and the font in general looks thin.

The original bezel looks fine as well, just beat up a bit.

Originally Posted by patrolmi

So what, people are taking regular subs, putting green bezels on and passing them off as LV's so they can make a couple thousand bucks.... that's pretty dirty.

Sure, there are plenty of "normal" 16610 frankens out there with green bezels (most being aftermarket), but it would be pretty hard to "pass one off" as a real LV, unless it had the Maxi dial and hands as well.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by Al1969

Not sure if it'd be engraved in the lugs also, as I have never taken the bracelet off mine. Also check for the LEC.

Yes, for a Z-serial, the SN should appear both on the rehaut and between the lugs.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by Atone

Ok and the black bezel 16610 will not have the "T"?

As David mentioned, the "T" just signifies that the case is the no-holes version for SEL bracelets. So to clarify, both the standard 16610 and 16610LV will have the same case reference/engraving.
The only differences between the two are the dial, hands, and bezel insert.

I would just add that if you are considering this watch, the price should reflect the overall condition, damaged bezel, and lack of original papers. Care to disclose what the seller is asking?

[Mezz72]

Originally Posted by Atone

I do see the differences in the "O" in Rolex and the "swiss made" as well, certainly not encouraging. the interesting part is that the guy is adamant about authenticity and he will meet at any dealer in LA. so I kinda wanna see what they say.

A Z series with rehault??!!I don't think it exists as even some M series has no rehault.
btw I've a Z5xxxxx with cert and there's no rehault. and I've never seen a Z with rehault.



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[Blingtone]

Originally Posted by Mezz72

A Z series with rehault??!!I don't think it exists as even some M series has no rehault.
btw I've a Z5xxxxx with cert and there's no rehault. and I've never seen a Z with rehault.



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Mine's a 'Z' 2007 - NON Rehault, LV printed (not handwritten) on both Warranty Card and hang tags.
I too have seen some 'M's with & without Rehault.
There are some highly informative threads on here, all of which seem to point to something not being quite 'right' in this instance.
You could go to a dealer, but I would prefer to go to my nearest RSC.

[PanosI]

Originally Posted by Atone

Looking at buying this watch today and just wanted to see if this raised any red flags at all?

TOO MANY red flags. I see no reasons to still insist on that purchase unless the price is half of the market.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by Mezz72

A Z series with rehault??!!I don't think it exists as even some M series has no rehault.
btw I've a Z5xxxxx with cert and there's no rehault. and I've never seen a Z with rehault.

Yes, they exist. I have seen several. That was the transitional period/serial range when the engraving was introduced, but the production was not sequential. So, you will see both Z & M serial watches with, and without rehaut engraving. I believe that was the same time period they went from paper warranty to credit card as well (I've seen both Z-serial papers and cards).

[Mezz72]

Z with rehault is a collector's item then! LOL
but I'm still not convinced frankly. A Z2 has rehault but after that like Z5 or Z7 etc doesn't?

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[freefly]

Originally Posted by Mezz72

Z with rehault is a collector's item then! LOL
but I'm still not convinced frankly. A Z2 has rehault but after that like Z5 or Z7 etc doesn't?

Yes! As stated above, the production was not sequential.

That is why you will even see some M-serials (which came after the Zs) without engraving.

[Blingtone]

Originally Posted by freefly

Yes! As stated above, the production was not sequential.

That is why you will even see some M-serials (which came after the Zs) without engraving.

Putting without Rehault / with Rehault aside, shouldn't all the relevant Rolex Paperwork / Warranty cards and hang tags have 16610LV printed on them? Mine have.
I would still be worried, get the seller to meet you at an RSC with the watch if in doubt.

[Rolex addict]

Originally Posted by PanosI

TOO MANY red flags. I see no reasons to still insist on that purchase unless the price is half of the market.

Agreed. If the OP is set on buying it, I would recommend the following. Offer to buy the watch only after it has been sent to an RSC for service. This will add cost to the watch, but it is well worth the peace of mind. Not only will it insure that the watch is real, they will make sure all parts are original to the watch, and verify that it has not been reported stolen in the past. Personally, I would just pass on this watch.

[Atone]

I'm not set on buying it. It wasn't a steal either at $6k. I gonna keep shopping and vey much appreciate the feedback.

[Mezz72]

if all is good and comes with cert, $6k is a bloody good deal imho


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[Atone]

Originally Posted by Mezz72

if all is good and comes with cert, $6k is a bloody good deal imho


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Seem to be a lot of concerns about it.

[Rolex addict]

Originally Posted by Atone

I'm not set on buying it. It wasn't a steal either at $6k. I gonna keep shopping and vey much appreciate the feedback.

Actually, $6k isn't bad IF everything on the watch is legit. Check the for sale section here and you'll see. We know the hang tag was not correct. What does the warranty card/paperwork say? It should have 16610LV.

[Sandblaster]

Suggestion:
who is the seller?

shady character or trusted seller?

give more info.

[Etschell]

thats not a legit watch.

[Atone]

Originally Posted by Etschell

thats not a legit watch.

can you expand on that? I am truly trying to learn and there seem to be 1000 variations of these things. Here is lug ref

[Rolex addict]

Originally Posted by Atone

I'm not set on buying it. It wasn't a steal either at $6k. I gonna keep shopping and vey much appreciate the feedback.

A service from a RSC will be $600. That will have you at $6600 for a freshly serviced 16610LV with 3 years warranty, which is still a good price. If the seller refuses, walk away. He knows something is up with the watch.

[Al1969]

Originally Posted by Sandblaster

Suggestion:
who is the seller?

shady character or trusted seller?

give more info.

Yes. Why not reveal the seller?

[Atone]

Originally Posted by Al1969

Yes. Why not reveal the seller?

Lol. No conspiracy guys. I don't know him, some local guy in LA. Not on this forum as far as I even know.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by Atone

can you expand on that? I am truly trying to learn and there seem to be 1000 variations of these things. Here is lug ref

that's against forum rules. i really cant educate you on it. just take my word for it.

[Atone]

Originally Posted by Etschell

that's against forum rules. i really cant educate you on it. just take my word for it.

that's strange. a lot of folks have pointed out inconsistencies on numerous watches. how does one learn if all you get is "take my word for it"? can you direct me to the rules that outline this?

I found this in the rules:
"Any casual allegation that a watch is a 'fake' should be justified otherwise the post may be removed. This should be achieved whilst not going into too much detail, good luck with that :)"

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Atone

that's strange. a lot of folks have pointed out inconsistencies on numerous watches. how does one learn if all you get is "take my word for it"? can you direct me to the rules that outline this?

I found this in the rules:
"Any casual allegation that a watch is a 'fake' should be justified otherwise the post may be removed. This should be achieved whilst not going into too much detail, good luck with that :)"

Personally, I am not hear to teach, but help people avoid getting duped or scammed.
If need be a would explain my claim, but not in general cases.
That is me though.
For eBay, I always give a full analyses as to my claims.
But not on the internet (any more)
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[Etschell]

Originally Posted by Atone

that's strange. a lot of folks have pointed out inconsistencies on numerous watches. how does one learn if all you get is "take my word for it"? can you direct me to the rules that outline this?

I found this in the rules:
"Any casual allegation that a watch is a 'fake' should be justified otherwise the post may be removed. This should be achieved whilst not going into too much detail, good luck with that :)"

perhaps i am wrong. others have pointed out issues. what happened to the original insert? neither of those are original.

[Atone]

Originally Posted by Etschell

perhaps i am wrong. others have pointed out issues. what happened to the original insert? neither of those are original.

The pics on page 1 (midway down) show an insert that is supposedly the original but removed from the watch. This one is not correct either? Others had said it was.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by Blingtone

Putting without Rehault / with Rehault aside, shouldn't all the relevant Rolex Paperwork / Warranty cards and hang tags have 16610LV printed on them? Mine have.
I would still be worried, get the seller to meet you at an RSC with the watch if in doubt.

Read the thread. The OP already stated that the seller disclosed the box-set was not original to the watch. It's pretty common to see sellers buy second-hand box sets when selling a watch, to make it more marketable (in their eyes). In fact, many uneducated sellers do themselves a disservice by unknowing buying fake box-sets to go with their genuine watches. I see it all the time.

So again, per the OP, it has already been clarified by the seller that the box/accessories/hang tags are NOT original to the watch (although they appear to be genuine).

[Atone]

took the watch to geary's in Beverly Hills, was told by service there that "nothing really looked out of place" but that they do not and will not authenticate rolexes. they said to send it in and get authentication letter. how else does one do this?? seems so complicated.

[myleftwrist]

I'm from Toronto, and we're fortunate enough to have a Rolex service centre here. Cost is under $200 CAD and takes 7 business days to complete. They check absolutely everything, and issue an authentication letter (very different than an appraisal letter you can get at some AD's). Great piece of mind if you and the seller are both patient.

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[freefly]

Originally Posted by Atone

took the watch to geary's in Beverly Hills, was told by service there that "nothing really looked out of place" but that they do not and will not authenticate rolexes. they said to send it in and get authentication letter. how else does one do this?? seems so complicated.

I am pretty sure the Beverly Hills RSC is up and running again. Should be easy enough to head over for a service estimate. If the any part is counterfeit, they will let you know and include the replacement part(s) on the estimate.
Give them a call: 310-271-6200.