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Terry Newton · 1 August 2008, 11:13 AM

Remember the dirtbag that was selling all of the Rolex watches on E-Bay with no brand, gold plated bands? He must be selling the bands through another sales listing in E-bay after he takes them off of the watch. He then gets way too much money from these unsuspecting buyers until they have to take it in to Rolex for service. Here is my report to E-Bay as I reported this and they are going to shut him down. This is thanks to someone who reported one of these the other night right before I was going to bed and I only reported one. I then went back the next day and reported the rest and my contact at E-bay gave me access to all of his recent completed sales to go after those as well. Here is my report to E-Bay:

%$#@:

OK; here we go. All of these have gold plated bands on them as if he took the original bands off to sell them. This has greatly devalued the watches and will cause problems to any buyers trying to get service from Rolex as they will want to change the fake parts to original at great expense to the unsuspecting purchaser:

http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-14...1.c0.m14.l1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-18...1.c0.m14.l1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-18...1.c0.m14.l1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-SO...1.c0.m14.l1318

Completed Items:

http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-14...1.c0.m14.l1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-18...1.c0.m14.l1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-GO...1.c0.m14.l1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-SS...1.c0.m14.l1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-18...1.c0.m14.l1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-SO...1.c0.m14.l1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-GO...1.c0.m14.l1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-14...1.c0.m14.l1318

This makes 12 watches so far plus what he has bilked out of people in the past. All of these have no brand gold plated bands which have greatly devalued the watches and then people paid way too much money for the watches in the condition they are in. This guy is a dirt bag. I am appalled at his selling practices and wonder how long he has been doing this to people. He should be shut down cold. He's got to be making good money off of the bands by selling them through another name on E-bay. So he is making money hand over fist and laughing all the way to the bank. Please see that he is stopped (*&^.

Terry Newton

pwrslider · 1 August 2008, 11:42 AM

Good job Terry!!

tudorman8276 · 1 August 2008, 01:04 PM

....this plays out the way we are hoping....BUT, the watches being Genuine, it may be difficult to curb him. He DOES state in the listing about the non-branded bands.

....I do AGREE that the buyers would have a difficult time, if not impossible time, getting it serviced without at least a leather strap and genuine Rol buckle etc by an RSC.

....buyers can purchase a genuine band later down the road. However, it is reasonable to assume that many buyers purchase the watch for what it is NOW, and later add a Genuine Rollie band. I have had several buyers (of bands) do that exact thing, watch now and band later when they can afford it.

....this is my $.02 worth and I'm sticking to it.

Stan.

johnsonwj · 1 August 2008, 01:28 PM

I first noticed him when I was looking for a Rolex but I noticed as you did, that the bands were all aftermarket. However, he sell a lot of watches. Who is this clown?

stevemulholland3 · 1 August 2008, 07:54 PM

I dont really see how this could qualify as a reason for ebay to shut down his auctions.
he hasnt broken any rules-he could very well just sell the head.but we will see what ebay thinks.
steve m.

toph · 1 August 2008, 07:56 PM

that is sick! what a horrible person

Ed Rooney · 1 August 2008, 11:45 PM

IMO, a Rolex watch is the complete watch, bracelet, box, papers, etc. He's hiding the aftermarket bracelets in plain sight. I feel he is being deceiptful. Burn him.

Terry Newton · 1 August 2008, 11:52 PM

My assumption is that he also sells the original bands for a lot of money.

When I first was approached by E-Bay to report fakes, scams, etc., I was given a special link to post just those deals. After a couple of months I was given a new link and asked to list misrepresentations as well.

This, to me, is a misrepresentation as it is not disclosed what will occur when Rolex receives the watch for maintenance. The watches are way overpriced without the original band and the gold-plated band will look like crap very quickly.

I was advised by my contact that they will eliminate his listings that are described in this manner. I believe firmly that what he is doing is wrong. I understand that he is disclosing the fact that the bands are aftermarket and gold-plated but he is not disclosing the potential problems down the road as he has made his money. If it won't pass the four-way test it is at least morally wrong.

1. Is it the truth?

2. Is it fair to all concerned?

3. Will it build good will and better friendships?

4. Will it be beneficial to all concerned?

Terry Newton

DSJ · 2 August 2008, 12:30 AM

Well done Terry!

arttay10 · 2 August 2008, 01:14 AM

Sounds a fair system of evaluation to me Terry

Numismatist · 2 August 2008, 01:16 AM

Caveat emptor. We all love the work you're doing, but this seems reasonable to have on eBay. It is described accurately.

GMTJOHNNY · 2 August 2008, 02:28 AM

Thanks Terry! I am glad I took the time at the late hour to report the seller to TRF. Your followup was great!
You do a great service to all of us!
JD

Terry Newton · 2 August 2008, 04:21 AM

I am pleased to report that E-Bay pulled all of the listings that this guy sold in this manner. Evidently they did not think this practice was very honorable either. Thanks to all who helped in this especially John who reported this to me to start with.

Terry Newton

stevemulholland3 · 2 August 2008, 08:50 AM

well I stand corrected then,maybe ebay is trying to help their buyers get decent deals.
bravo ebay

1 August 2008, 11:13 AM	#1
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	Remember the Dirtbag Remember the dirtbag that was selling all of the Rolex watches on E-Bay with no brand, gold plated bands? He must be selling the bands through another sales listing in E-bay after he takes them off of the watch. He then gets way too much money from these unsuspecting buyers until they have to take it in to Rolex for service. Here is my report to E-Bay as I reported this and they are going to shut him down. This is thanks to someone who reported one of these the other night right before I was going to bed and I only reported one. I then went back the next day and reported the rest and my contact at E-bay gave me access to all of his recent completed sales to go after those as well. Here is my report to E-Bay: %$#@: OK; here we go. All of these have gold plated bands on them as if he took the original bands off to sell them. This has greatly devalued the watches and will cause problems to any buyers trying to get service from Rolex as they will want to change the fake parts to original at great expense to the unsuspecting purchaser: http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-14...1.c0.m14.l1318 http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-18...1.c0.m14.l1318 http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-18...1.c0.m14.l1318 http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-SO...1.c0.m14.l1318 Completed Items: http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-14...1.c0.m14.l1318 http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-18...1.c0.m14.l1318 http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-GO...1.c0.m14.l1318 http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-SS...1.c0.m14.l1318 http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-18...1.c0.m14.l1318 http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-SO...1.c0.m14.l1318 http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-GO...1.c0.m14.l1318 http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-ROLEX-14...1.c0.m14.l1318 This makes 12 watches so far plus what he has bilked out of people in the past. All of these have no brand gold plated bands which have greatly devalued the watches and then people paid way too much money for the watches in the condition they are in. This guy is a dirt bag. I am appalled at his selling practices and wonder how long he has been doing this to people. He should be shut down cold. He's got to be making good money off of the bands by selling them through another name on E-bay. So he is making money hand over fist and laughing all the way to the bank. Please see that he is stopped (*&^. Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

1 August 2008, 11:42 AM	#2
pwrslider "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Steve Location: SF BAY AREA CA Watch: 16710 Coke Posts: 3,047	Good job Terry!! __________________ Rolex Blue TT Submariner (95) Rolex SS GMT IIc (08) Rolex GMT II 16710 COKE (08 for me..) Rolex Explorer II Blk (91) Breitling SuperOcean Steelfish (07) Panerai 104 & 177ti ( 04/03)

1 August 2008, 01:04 PM	#3
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	....I sincerely hope that.... ....this plays out the way we are hoping....BUT, the watches being Genuine, it may be difficult to curb him. He DOES state in the listing about the non-branded bands. ....I do AGREE that the buyers would have a difficult time, if not impossible time, getting it serviced without at least a leather strap and genuine Rol buckle etc by an RSC. ....buyers can purchase a genuine band later down the road. However, it is reasonable to assume that many buyers purchase the watch for what it is NOW, and later add a Genuine Rollie band. I have had several buyers (of bands) do that exact thing, watch now and band later when they can afford it. ....this is my $.02 worth and I'm sticking to it. Stan.

1 August 2008, 07:56 PM	#6
toph "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: ChrisTOPHer Location: Sydney Watch: Rolex, Brellum, Posts: 12,601	that is sick! what a horrible person __________________ "Where no counsel is the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." Member No.# 11795

1 August 2008, 11:52 PM	#8
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	My assumption is that he also sells the original bands for a lot of money. When I first was approached by E-Bay to report fakes, scams, etc., I was given a special link to post just those deals. After a couple of months I was given a new link and asked to list misrepresentations as well. This, to me, is a misrepresentation as it is not disclosed what will occur when Rolex receives the watch for maintenance. The watches are way overpriced without the original band and the gold-plated band will look like crap very quickly. I was advised by my contact that they will eliminate his listings that are described in this manner. I believe firmly that what he is doing is wrong. I understand that he is disclosing the fact that the bands are aftermarket and gold-plated but he is not disclosing the potential problems down the road as he has made his money. If it won't pass the four-way test it is at least morally wrong. 1. Is it the truth? 2. Is it fair to all concerned? 3. Will it build good will and better friendships? 4. Will it be beneficial to all concerned? Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

1 August 2008, 01:28 PM	#4
johnsonwj Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Metro - Detroit Posts: 36	I first noticed him when I was looking for a Rolex but I noticed as you did, that the bands were all aftermarket. However, he sell a lot of watches. Who is this clown?

1 August 2008, 07:54 PM	#5
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	I dont really see how this could qualify as a reason for ebay to shut down his auctions. he hasnt broken any rules-he could very well just sell the head.but we will see what ebay thinks. steve m.

1 August 2008, 11:45 PM	#7
Ed Rooney "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Annapolis, MD Watch: Sea-Dweller 16600 Posts: 5,081	IMO, a Rolex watch is the complete watch, bracelet, box, papers, etc. He's hiding the aftermarket bracelets in plain sight. I feel he is being deceiptful. Burn him.

2 August 2008, 12:30 AM	#9
DSJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: David Location: USA Watch: your step! Posts: 7,882	Well done Terry! __________________ Rolex. The Rolex of watches. 16570 Expy2 Noir, 116710 GMT Master II, 2552.80 SMP

2 August 2008, 01:14 AM	#10
arttay10 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancashire, UK Watch: ???????? Posts: 2,187	Sounds a fair system of evaluation to me Terry

2 August 2008, 01:16 AM	#11
Numismatist "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Chris Location: Camden ME & STT Watch: 116600 Posts: 6,350	Caveat emptor. We all love the work you're doing, but this seems reasonable to have on eBay. It is described accurately. __________________ Rolex 116600 Sea-dweller Montblanc Solitaire Doué Black & White Legrand FP Montblanc Solitaire Doué Black & White RB Montblanc Meisterstück Diamond Mozart BP Montblanc Meisterstück Mozart BP

2 August 2008, 02:28 AM	#12
GMTJOHNNY "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: John Location: LONG ISLAND, NY Watch: 2007 DAY DATE 18KT Posts: 1,378	Thanks Terry! I am glad I took the time at the late hour to report the seller to TRF. Your followup was great! You do a great service to all of us! JD __________________ ROLEX DAY DATE 118238 (2007) ROLEX DAY DATE 18238 (1997) ROLEX GMT 16750 PEPSI (1987) ROLEX AIR KING 14000 (1991) ROLEX GMTIIC TT 116713LN (2008)

2 August 2008, 04:21 AM	#13
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	I am pleased to report that E-Bay pulled all of the listings that this guy sold in this manner. Evidently they did not think this practice was very honorable either. Thanks to all who helped in this especially John who reported this to me to start with. Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

2 August 2008, 08:50 AM	#14
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	well I stand corrected then,maybe ebay is trying to help their buyers get decent deals. bravo ebay

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