Tesla's new solar roof

[Tony64]

Less than the cost of a normal roof, lifetime warranty, and generates electricty?

What's the catch??

https://www.inverse.com/article/3143...e=facebook.com

[SearChart]

It's Tesla, it's probably delayed by a million years and is poorly finished when you get it.

[mfer]

Pretty sure this will be for new construction only as well. I read that somewhere but can't find it now.

[Lordofrolex]

I would totally consider this. But don't want to go with the first runs.

[Cryten]

Originally Posted by Tony64

What's the catch??

The $21.85 per Sq. Foot doesn't factor in the 4.9 Billion dollars of taxpayer's money Musk has used to build his empire.

[singe89]

Recently got solar and looked into solar tiles vs. the more traditional panels. If your house is new construction or you have to replace the whole roof then these might be an option but they are significantly more expensive than just adding solar panels to an existing roof. They are also not as efficient and produce much more heat because there is no air gap between the panels and the roof. I went with traditional solar and was able to hide it from view. Its been a very mild summer so far (78 degrees avg) but I still enjoy running all 3 central AC units at 65 degrees and having a negative energy bill.

[swils8610]

Tesla/Musk is s sham. Solar city is costing tax payers millions while Musk gets rich.


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[Tony64]

Originally Posted by singe89

Recently got solar and looked into solar tiles vs. the more traditional panels. If your house is new construction or you have to replace the whole roof then these might be an option but they are significantly more expensive than just adding solar panels to an existing roof. They are also not as efficient and produce much more heat because there is no air gap between the panels and the roof. I went with traditional solar and was able to hide it from view. Its been a very mild summer so far (78 degrees avg) but I still enjoy running all 3 central AC units at 65 degrees and having a negative energy bill.

I would have just assumed that the heat rises so not such a big deal. Shows what I know!

Not sure about your particular setup, but the traditional solar add-ons look like a patchwork quilt to me. And not in a good way.

If you're in your house for the long haul, it seems a lifetime warranty would be pretty sweet if it's real. Replacing the roof is a costly eventuality. The electricity you generate is just gravy.

[Cobain]

Originally Posted by Cryten

The $21.85 per Sq. Foot doesn't factor in the 4.9 Billion dollars of taxpayer's money Musk has used to build his empire.

The avatar fits perfectly to that message.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by Cryten

The $21.85 per Sq. Foot doesn't factor in the 4.9 Billion dollars of taxpayer's money Musk has used to build his empire.

I get it, it's been heavily subsidized, and continues to be with the federal tax credits you get.

But my question is for someone considering a new/replacement roof in 2017 is there a consumer downside to Elon's scheme? Sounds too good to be true...

[Dan Pierce]

Some dream, some bitch. I'll hang my future with the dreamers.
dP

[Cobain]

What's the red pi-

Sorry, whats the story with Musk and the subsiding?

[singe89]

Originally Posted by Tony64

I would have just assumed that the heat rises so not such a big deal. Shows what I know!

Not sure about your particular setup, but the traditional solar add-ons look like a patchwork quilt to me. And not in a good way.

If you're in your house for the long haul, it seems a lifetime warranty would be pretty sweet if it's real. Replacing the roof is a costly eventuality. The electricity you generate is just gravy.

The biggest downside in the traditional panels is the look. My house is near the top of the hill so neighbors cant see the roof and we were able to locate the panels where they maximize sunlight but are not visible from the street/front or back yard.

Everything has a 25 year warranty and I plan on living in this house for the next 20+ years. My break even point is about 5.5 years. $28k system getting 30% tax back $19,600 total cost) and avg bill is $300 per month going to $0 (actually negative). I look at it as where else is $20k going to get me an 18%+ ROI. I also have the mental health savings of not chasing my wife and kids down to remind them to turn off lights, TV, etc when they leave the room.

These solar tiles might have a lifetime warranty but that doesnt mean it will cover your roof from leaking. The paper under the tiles is what waterproofs the roof and that can deteriorate after 50 years. Spent my childhood doing roofing contracting. We doubled up on paper on large houses with tile roofs to try and make it as "life time" as possible.

[Cobain]

Originally Posted by singe89

The biggest downside in the traditional panels is the look. My house is near the top of the hill so neighbors cant see the roof and we were able to locate the panels where they maximize sunlight but are not visible from the street/front or back yard.

Everything has a 25 year warranty and I plan on living in this house for the next 20+ years. My break even point is about 5.5 years. $28k system getting 30% tax back $19,600 total cost) and avg bill is $300 per month going to $0 (actually negative). I look at it as where else is $20k going to get me an 18%+ ROI. I also have the mental health savings of not chasing my wife and kids down to remind them to turn off lights, TV, etc when they leave the room.

These solar tiles might have a lifetime warranty but that doesnt mean it will cover your roof from leaking. The paper under the tiles is what waterproofs the roof and that can deteriorate after 50 years.

What about winter

[singe89]

Originally Posted by Cobain

What about winter

What about winter? Days are shorter so less overall production but SoCal is usually sunny. $300 is my avg monthly bill. It can easily reach $600+ in the summer and early fall months. The system is designed to cover 125% of my annual usage.

[texex91]

Lost me at Tesla.

Jim that is cool to hear what you are saving.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by Cryten

The $21.85 per Sq. Foot doesn't factor in the 4.9 Billion dollars of taxpayer's money Musk has used to build his empire.

Originally Posted by singe89

The biggest downside in the traditional panels is the look. My house is near the top of the hill so neighbors cant see the roof and we were able to locate the panels where they maximize sunlight but are not visible from the street/front or back yard.

Everything has a 25 year warranty and I plan on living in this house for the next 20+ years. My break even point is about 5.5 years. $28k system getting 30% tax back $19,600 total cost) and avg bill is $300 per month going to $0 (actually negative). I look at it as where else is $20k going to get me an 18%+ ROI. I also have the mental health savings of not chasing my wife and kids down to remind them to turn off lights, TV, etc when they leave the room.

These solar tiles might have a lifetime warranty but that doesnt mean it will cover your roof from leaking. The paper under the tiles is what waterproofs the roof and that can deteriorate after 50 years. Spent my childhood doing roofing contracting. We doubled up on paper on large houses with tile roofs to try and make it as "life time" as possible.

Thanks Jim, that's very helpful info. Wish I would have had someone with your ethic to have done my roof!

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by texex91

Lost me at Tesla.

Jim that is cool to hear what you are saving.

Not a huge Tesla fan either, but energy independence on the other hand...

[mannyv11]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Some dream, some bitch. I'll hang my future with the dreamers.
dP

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by mannyv11

Regardless of how one feels about his Tesla design, it's hard not to respect his brilliance and vision.

[blufinz52]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Some dream, some bitch. I'll hang my future with the dreamers.
dP

[hugs]

Originally Posted by Tony64

Regardless of how one feels about his Tesla design, it's hard not to respect his brilliance and vision.

Pretty sure if anyone of us was given $5 billion by the taxpayer we could do something "brilliant" and "visionary" too.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by hugs

Pretty sure if anyone of us was given $5 billion by the taxpayer we could do something "brilliant" and "visionary" too.

Agree to disagree. But maybe you're just smarter than I am.

Give me $5B and I'm just $5B richer.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Some dream, some bitch. I'll hang my future with the dreamers.
dP

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Cryten

The $21.85 per Sq. Foot doesn't factor in the 4.9 Billion dollars of taxpayer's money Musk has used to build his empire.

Get some cheese with your whine.

[rr-nyc]

Originally Posted by hugs

Pretty sure if anyone of us was given $5 billion by the taxpayer we could do something "brilliant" and "visionary" too.

I'm pretty sure he had to have the vision to get the $5B to begin with. Not to mention, he was already pretty damn wealthy before he got into solar panels

[dplawiuk]

Originally Posted by hugs

Pretty sure if anyone of us was given $5 billion by the taxpayer we could do something "brilliant" and "visionary" too.

He wasn't "given" $5B by the taxpayers. The people offered incentives to attract business to do exactly what he's doing, for both the public good and in the interest of private businesses driving innovation. Sounds like win-win to me. And his businesses are in position to be successful, incentives or no.
Now coal and oil on the other hand...not so sure where they'd be without subsidies. (And farming and fast food and big box retail and...)


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[Tony64]

I just found this and it answers a lot of my questions. Thought I'd share it for anyone interested.

http://www.consumerreports.org/solar...as-solar-roof/

[Brenngun]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Some dream, some bitch. I'll hang my future with the dreamers.
dP

Damn straight! It's always easier to criticize than to do something. The biggest roadblock to progressive innovation is the simple mind.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by rr-nyc

I'm pretty sure he had to have the vision to get the $5B to begin with. Not to mention, he was already pretty damn wealthy before he got into solar panels

So did bernie madoff....