Green Submariner

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by freefly

Wow, some seriously bad (and potentially expensive) info/advice in this thread, IMO.

OP: Do NOT "throw it in the trash" as suggested by some here.
The folks proclaiming this as 100% fake really need to pump the brakes a bit with their definitive proclamations (and "knowledge"), IMO.

Yes, it is obviously not an original 16610LV. The dial and bezel insert are clearly fake, and it's an older lug-hole Sub.

However, apart from that, the pics I am seeing are not even remotely good enough to judge the authenticity of rest.
Could it be a complete fake? Possibly. Really though, besides the dial and insert, nothing jumps out as "fake" to me.
Again, the pics aren't good enough to make that determination, IMO.

Further, it is very common to see 5-digit Subs franken'd into LV clones with dial & bezel insert swaps.
Tons of genuine Subs out there with green junk dials/inserts to make them look like LVs on the secondary market.

Originally Posted by freefly

It happens every day. Just peruse eBay for green Subs and you'll likely see plenty. In fact, there are grey-market sellers/dealers that make doing so their entire business model/focus.
They will buy clapped out older Subs and install junk dials and bezel inserts, give them a quick polish, and re-sell. Then they will sell the genuine dials and bezel inserts as an addiotnal revenue stream.

Typically the frankens will be blue dials with blue bezel inserts (to mimic a Smurf Sub), or green dials with green bezel inserts (to mimic an LV Sub).
You will see numerous 16613 Subs with fake Serti dials out there as well. People get duped all the time, but the "less shady" sellers will at least disclose the aftermarket parts (even if it is in the fine print).

Glad you are back Buddy, your expertise is really appreciated!

[Valenciawatchrepair]

I might say that it would be wise to get a more thorough inspection and better pics, but for this one it's pretty easily identifiable. Look at the case back, for instance.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by Valenciawatchrepair

I might say that it would be wise to get a more thorough inspection and better pics, but for this one it's pretty easily identifiable. Look at the case back, for instance.

Hmmm, maybe I missed something. What exactly stands out to you on the tiny pic of the case back that you could be 100% sure it's a fake (and not a franken)?
All I see is a super low-res pic with lighting inconsistencies and shadows, which make it even more difficult to make any determinations, IMO.

As mentioned, the dial and insert are obvious. Everything else, not so much (and there are tons of genuine 16610s out there that have been frankened into LVs).
If I am missing something obvious, please do tell.

[Valenciawatchrepair]

Originally Posted by freefly

Hmmm, maybe I missed something. What exactly stands out to you on the tiny pic of the case back that you could be 100% sure it's a fake (and not a franken)?
All I see is a super low-res pic with lighting inconsistencies and shadows, which make it even more difficult to make any determinations, IMO.

As mentioned, the dial and insert are obvious. Everything else, not so much (and there are tons of genuine 16610s out there that have been frankened into LVs).
If I am missing something obvious, please do tell.

Not sure going into that detail is allowed on here. But I immediately spotted the difference.

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[freefly]

Originally Posted by Valenciawatchrepair

Not sure going into that detail is allowed on here. But I immediately spotted the difference.

I think it's a bit of a blurry line, but with plenty of latitude when contextually appropriate (especially if an allegation of a watch being fake is questionable).
Also, it's not a laundry-list being requested, just one detail. So, I would be curious why you think the poorly-lit, low-res pic of the case back is a dead giveaway.
If you don't feel comfortable posting it here, please PM me. Thanks!

[haven_seeker]

Originally Posted by directioneng

You may be correct but you could be wrong.

Either way I put this classy post and advice in the same box as your other recommendations.

My sarcasm meter is going off...

[CBG1]

Originally Posted by Valenciawatchrepair

Not sure going into that detail is allowed on here. But I immediately spotted the difference.

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I didn't realize there were considerations about detail and limits to discussion.
I guess TRF is observing the first rule of fight club?

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by Valenciawatchrepair

Not sure going into that detail is allowed on here. But I immediately spotted the difference.

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Rule number 6 of this forum:

6. Any casual allegation that a watch is a 'fake' should be justified otherwise the post may be removed. This should be achieved whilst not going into too much detail, good luck with that :)

I can't see anything from that picture. What makes you think the watch is fake?

[Valenciawatchrepair]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

Rule number 6 of this forum:

6. Any casual allegation that a watch is a 'fake' should be justified otherwise the post may be removed. This should be achieved whilst not going into too much detail, good luck with that :)

I can't see anything from that picture. What makes you think the watch is fake?

Rule doesn't apply here. I mentioned the back. For me it's the proportions of the separate sections of the back. It just isn't correct. That's all I'll say on the matter.

[GGGMT]

What happened to OP?


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[freefly]

Originally Posted by Valenciawatchrepair

For me it's the proportions of the separate sections of the back. It just isn't correct. That's all I'll say on the matter.

That is specifically why I mentioned the poor lighting. Shadows and reflections can induce optical illusions. Just look at different pics of genuine case backs at different perspectives under different lighting.
You will see that some appear to have a steeper angle than others, with thinner or wider section widths.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

What happened to OP?


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He's out digging through a dumpster looking for a watch that may not be fake after all.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

He's out digging through a dumpster looking for a watch that may not be fake after all.

Doubt it.
Lol

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

He's out digging through a dumpster looking for a watch that may not be fake after all.

That is really funny man.


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[freefly]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

What happened to OP?

I received a message from him earlier that confirmed my suspicions.

He reached out to the seller (grey dealer) who verified that the watch was a 16610 that they swapped out the dial and bezel insert on, and that he should have noticed the word "custom" in the listing verbiage.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Its fake. Not much more needed here
A

Are you still standing by this?

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by freefly

I received a message from him earlier that confirmed my suspicions.

What a jungle out there.



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[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Its fake. Not much more needed here
A

Please stop! Leave it to the experts....