Need to determine fake or authentic vintage as I could not find any help on the web.

[maanu]

Hi All,

I purchased #1 few days ago thinking NOS. i could not find anything close to the dial, case, bezel, caseback in vintage pictures across google during my research and given the seller has 100% feedback, I went ahead with my bidding.

1.Vintage LEJOUR large solid stainless steel diver chronograph


https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...m/232780699948


After few days browsing thru eBay on NOS watch I stumbled on #2 ( a NOS watch case ) from another seller and I started looking on the internet for an old watch with this same case and could not find one. I went ahead and purchased it so I can compare #1 and #2 under loupe. Even the serial numbers match on both Caseback and engravings across the case.

2. New Old Stock NOS Vintage Watch Chronograph Case Diver Chrono 38mm

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...m/192526913253


Now I see this # 3 watch from the same seller as #1. Except the Caseback and dial everything else is as #1, the case, movement, size, NOS and I can not find anything about this watch on the internet also.

3. Vintage WAKMANN (Brietling) diver chronograph oversized solid stainless steel

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...m/232835124762


I think none of them are authentic and never sold in 1960 but sold in 2018. Can you please help me with the authenticity?


Thanks

[J_1964]

ALL Of These Listings Have Ended Already....

[maanu]

I purchased #1 and #2 and opened a return with EBay after I saw #3. It seems seller closed #3 which I am not sure why and when.


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[J_1964]

I really know Nothing about the brand of watches (parts) you have purchased (This IS A Rolex Forum). Sorry I can't be of ANY help to you. Maybe other TRF Members can be more helpful.

[maanu]

Thanks A lot. I saw some other non Rolex posting so I did the same. I am sorry in case I posted in the wrong place.


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[bonatto]

In all honesty these watches are from a time period when parts were shared across different brands and came from mutual suppliers. Without finding a catalog photo of the watch it's difficult to say, but a lot of these watches would be signed on dial only, sometimes movement, sometimes case-back. There has been lime added to the dial it looks like, but nothing strikes me as out of the ordinary at first.

[maanu]

It’s just that I could not find this size case or that bezel design in any old watch when I was researching before I won the bid on watch purchase.

I was not even thinking about the dial or movement at that time. I realized that the seller had excellent feedback so I dropped my research.

After I purchased last month I see 3 NOS cases and same bezel which made me believe that given the craze of Vintage chronographs, someone who knows this stuff can mix fake with authentic watches selling at EBay .

I still have not found an old watch with this case or Caseback. I forgot the dial and movement research and it’s been two weeks of me trying to figure this out.

What is lime in the dial?

Thanks for your response.


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[bonatto]

Sorry auto-correct changed my text. I was referring to the lume added to the hour markers and hand tips. Those cases to me look like correct 60's skin diver cases. The fact that a blank NOS one was sold might support the notion that these were supplied parts that were then assembled by different companies. A good example of a company that did this along with a few others in a 'consortium' was Stowa/Pallas.

I'm not familiar with these that you've posted but to me they look correct.

Here are some different 'brands' with what appear to be a very similar bezel, all sharing the same caliber, case is different shape.

https://shop.analogshift.com/products/arnex-chronograph

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgu...act=mrc&uact=8

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgu...act=mrc&uact=8

and here is another lejour with what appears to be the same case as yours:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3...ourTriton3.jpg

It's entirely plausible that over the production years of these watches that the case suppliers changed engravings on the back and perhaps your square lugged example is just a variant produced in lower quantities/later run.