Rolex Daytona’s 116500 lost/stolen by USPS

[jumproductions]

Last month I walked into a Rolex AD looking for a BLNR and to my shock they had two steel ceramic Daytona’s in stock. I felt like I was in a dream since all my local ADs wouldn’t even put me on a list unless I purchased $100k from them and then wait 2-5 years. I was with my girlfriend who is not a watch person and didn’t understand my excitement. I immediately said I will take the white ceramic and after a small hesitation asked them if I could purchase the black ceramic as well. To my surprise they said ok and disclosed the watches arrived 2 hours prior to my walk-in.

When purchasing High ticket items I try to avoid sales tax and asked if they could ship out of state to avoid tax. A decision that I may regret forever. On Monday the dealer said they were ready to ship out USPS and I mentioned I always ship Fedex but they said they always use USPS express because of the insurance. They told me because of my location it make take 2-3 days for arrival and since I assumed the AD knows what they are doing I told them to go ahead.

The next day I received a call from USPS that my package arrived and I rushed over. When I arrived to USPS the postmaster said please sign for your envelope. I said your mistaken my package is a box. Upon closer examination she said wait a minute this is your label but it is attached to an envelope set for another destination. Within seconds I realized we have a possible theft/scam. Since it seems strange for the label to be off the package on someone else’s mail. I called the AD from the post office who said they will try to trace the package (how is this possible with the label seperated).

I feel the dealer used negligence in using USPS and not securing the label properly with clear tape. They said they are going to file a claim with USPS and refund me but Rolex will not replace the items. (I insisted on replacement not refund).

I sold some very nice pieces at a loss immediately after cc purchase to pay for these and can’t imagine not getting replacements. USPS later updated the status as “unable to deliver”. Any suggestions from TRF community? Anyone ever receive a label with no package attached.

[RJRJRJ]

Yikes, that sucks! At least they're living up to their "because of the insurance" end of the bargain.

[jumproductions]

True but my credit card company will back me up since I never received the items.

[lenfried29]

something is fishy in that story right from the beginning with AD having two daytonas in the store...

[Soarer]

OMG.....yikes....sorry to hear brother!


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[jcdeng]

very fishy indeed, usually when AD do this kind of "ship to avoid taxes" they either just collect the shipping money and fill out a form that saids the watch is ship out of state or they will let you wear the watch and ship you the box.

Something is very off in this scenario...

[WatchLurv]

Man what a story.

You will get your money, but to get 2 daytonas replaced; won't happen.

If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, it probably is...

Who puts up 2 116500 on display? I've only been teased once when the AD had a Deepblue and BLNR on display and I immediately wanted to buy both; to my disappointment they were only "samples" (try it on, put your name down and wait X years)

[jumproductions]

Right two Daytona’s in the display case seemed insane. Obviously in hindsight I shouldn’t have risked shipping such irreplaceable watches at MSRP but I have never had a shipping issue in my life and put trust in the AD.

[Ian Macdermott]

Purley as a matter of interest how much money did you save by your tax avoidance .

[troways]

Are you sure that 'AD' is on the Rolex list？

[jumproductions]

A couple of side facts that in not sure mean anything. Before they shipped on Monday they called me and said USPS told them because of the location it may not arrive until Thursday (tracking showed Wednesday) and the “label” arrived next day approx 19 hours later. They also seem to give me hope that the package may be recovered which seems illogical to me for such high value items with no label and some unusual circumstances. I will definitely let everyone know if for some magical reason that happens.

[jumproductions]

Yes they are an AD on Rolex website. Sales tax approx $1500 for both.

[Largoshark]

Wow, that sounds like an actual nightmare. The whole story is so surreal.

[kauffee]

If this is true that’s the worst luck ever.

Every piece of jewelry or watch I’ve had shipped has always been with UPS or FedEx and the jewelers have special insurance with those carriers. I’ve never heard of it going USPS. And 2 Daytonas in a case and the AD willing to sell both to someone who just walked in? I dunno man.

[brucethemanlee]

So this is a new AD to you?

You just walk in and they are willing to sell you not one but TWO daytonas with no strings attached at MSRP?

Interesting....

And it gets "lost" in the mail

Interesting...

[16610v]

I am surprise why the AD didn't sell to those in waiting list.

Or it is their policy to sell some at the window.

Seems now is impossible to find the watches. Can you share the serial # for both watches to alert others.

[sensui]

Speculations aside.....if the ADs refused to ship via Fedex next day/Parcel Pro insured....shouldn't of skipped the the tax and just picked them up. Sorry OP but lesson learned.....guess you had to wake up from the dream one way or another.

[AdamG]

Originally Posted by brucethemanlee

So this is a new AD to you?

You just walk in and they are willing to sell you not one but TWO daytonas with no strings attached at MSRP?

Interesting....

And it gets "lost" in the mail

Interesting...

Exactly!

[hdms]

Originally Posted by AdamG

Exactly!

What does the AD get to gain by doing so?

[jerryguo]

This never happened to me since my AD almost uses Fedex exclusively. on the other hand, I don't know what kind of luck you had by spotting two 116500 on display at a Rolex AD and then lost due to possible theft/scam. If I saw two Daytonas on display I would make sure I walk away with them in my hands.

[doboy007]

Originally Posted by AdamG

Exactly!

Whole story sounds fishy to me

Two Daytonas on display for anyone off the street. Haha

[nsguy]

Originally Posted by jumproductions

Last month I walked into a Rolex AD looking for a BLNR and to my shock they had two steel ceramic Daytona’s in stock. I felt like I was in a dream since all my local ADs wouldn’t even put me on a list unless I purchased $100k from them and then wait 2-5 years. I was with my girlfriend who is not a watch person and didn’t understand my excitement. I immediately said I will take the white ceramic and after a small hesitation asked them if I could purchase the black ceramic as well. To my surprise they said ok and disclosed the watches arrived 2 hours prior to my walk-in.

When purchasing High ticket items I try to avoid sales tax and asked if they could ship out of state to avoid tax. A decision that I may regret forever. On Monday the dealer said they were ready to ship out USPS and I mentioned I always ship Fedex but they said they always use USPS express because of the insurance. They told me because of my location it make take 2-3 days for arrival and since I assumed the AD knows what they are doing I told them to go ahead.

The next day I received a call from USPS that my package arrived and I rushed over. When I arrived to USPS the postmaster said please sign for your envelope. I said your mistaken my package is a box. Upon closer examination she said wait a minute this is your label but it is attached to an envelope set for another destination. Within seconds I realized we have a possible theft/scam. Since it seems strange for the label to be off the package on someone else’s mail. I called the AD from the post office who said they will try to trace the package (how is this possible with the label seperated).

I feel the dealer used negligence in using USPS and not securing the label properly with clear tape. They said they are going to file a claim with USPS and refund me but Rolex will not replace the items. (I insisted on replacement not refund).

I sold some very nice pieces at a loss immediately after cc purchase to pay for these and can’t imagine not getting replacements. USPS later updated the status as “unable to deliver”. Any suggestions from TRF community? Anyone ever receive a label with no package attached.

Based on your profile, you live in Florida. You may not be aware, but Florida has a Use Tax. The Use Tax rate is the same as the sales tax rate, which is 6%.

Thus, you still need to pay taxes on your purchase. Doing otherwise is tax fraud. You can learn more here: http://floridarevenue.com/taxes/Pages/consumer.aspx

[jumproductions]

I actually called my Parcel Pro rep and he said they used to be an account of his but they always ship USPS and have some blanket insurance policy for the whole store. They let me leave with one of the boxes and rolex card, a painful souvenir if the watches are not recovered. They technically have only been “missing” for 1 day now but if no progress or resolution with the AD will alert everyone of serials. I have the white Daytona card at home in my name the black Daytona card was also in my name and was supposed to be in the shipment.

[HogwldFLTR]

Regardless of all other issues brought up in the thread. I hope you get your watches. Sorry to hear about the loss.

[RolexEDC]

My AD let me walk out with my watch and ship an empty box. Shipping high ticket item is too risky for me

[GoingPlaces]

Originally Posted by RolexEDC

My AD let me walk out with my watch and ship an empty box. Shipping high ticket item is too risky for me

So no sales tax? Isn't that illegal?

[Al1969]

Painful lesson OP. In hindsight, you should’ve just paid the tax and taken them home.

Why two Daytonas? Where you planning to ‘flip’ one?

Guess this is one of those lessons on “why you should ALWAYS pay the tax”.

[oldman2005]

Ouch! Something doesn't sound right...2nd thought you should have take them home yourself right then, I once walked out of an AD with two new Daytona one on each wrist

[kauffee]

Originally Posted by nsguy

Based on your profile, you live in Florida. You may not be aware, but Florida has a Use Tax. The Use Tax rate is the same as the sales tax rate, which is 6%.

Thus, you still need to pay taxes on your purchase. Doing otherwise is tax fraud. You can learn more here: http://floridarevenue.com/taxes/Pages/consumer.aspx

Ah yes, the inevitable pedant post.

[kauffee]

Originally Posted by jumproductions

I actually called my Parcel Pro rep and he said they used to be an account of his but they always ship USPS and have some blanket insurance policy for the whole store. They let me leave with one of the boxes and rolex card, a painful souvenir if the watches are not recovered. They technically have only been “missing” for 1 day now but if no progress or resolution with the AD will alert everyone of serials. I have the white Daytona card at home in my name the black Daytona card was also in my name and was supposed to be in the shipment.

Wait they gave you the box but shipped the watch without it? This just gets more strange. How did they protect the watch for shipping? Did you ask? Were they planning to stuff 2 watches in one box?