ADs sales tactics or politics

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by PLNYC

Hypocrite much, OP?

[schoolboy]

Originally Posted by Likestheshiny

And some ADs will only sell to you if you do the Macarena.

Nice!

Where is this AD at????

[katch]

OP got 2 watches and took advantage of the current climate and flipped one. I'm sure more people than would be willing to admit around here would do the same.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by katch

OP got 2 watches and took advantage of the current climate and flipped one. I'm sure more people than would be willing to admit around here would do the same.

flippers are not too popular here. Not sizing and not wearing and immediately selling is way different than someone moving on every six months to another watch as they wear and enjoy them and they cant have 20 watches at once.

No way i would ever buy a watch with no intent to wear. Get bored and move on, sure.

[Old Geezer]

It strikes me that we are a small group of enthusiasts that dissect every word and speculate about scenarios about availability and shortages. At the end of the day, I really wonder how many people decide they want a Rolex, walk in to an AD and pick one to buy or order a specific configuration. If they happen to be wanting a hard to get SS reference, I suspect they don’t buy or buy something else and live happily ever after. ADs are businesses and their sales tactics will vary like in any business.

[Bavariandoc]

Originally Posted by tng11

You got caught with your pants down and you aren't happy about it clearly. It's disingenuous that you're complaining about shady ADs when you're contributing to the problem. I'll bet you're not telling the ADs you're buying from them just to flip. I won't deny that many ADs have engaged in shady sales tactics, but those claims are far more valid when it comes from genuine end users who can't get their hands on product because of flippers like you.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Clearly you seem to find enjoyment in ASSuming things, baselessly accusing ppl and starting unproductive conflicts here... zero valuable contribution pal

do us all a favor and get off this thread.. you are polluting it with your comments. thanks.

[HONDABBQ]

@bavariandoc it's your thread. You were called out on posting about some duplicate watches.
If those accusing you are not correct now is your chance to explain.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by AK797

Some tell the truth, some lie, some bait and some bundle. They are just people.

Flippers are people too.

[MinMay]

I wouldn't be surprised that 90% of the people on the waitlist are flippers.

[watchwatcher]

Wait...there's a list for the BLNR?

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by MinMay

I wouldn't be surprised that 90% of the people on the waitlist are flippers.

I have to imagine its up there. I caught my AD not even adding me to a list recently. No problem, I understand. They have to use their best judgment on someone that they have done almost no business with ( bought my wife a small ring from them).

Maybe one day it turns back around where the buyer has a little bit of pull in the situation, but that day's not coming anytime soon.

[Bavariandoc]

Originally Posted by HONDABBQ

@bavariandoc it's your thread. You were called out on posting about some duplicate watches.
If those accusing you are not correct now is your chance to explain.

Thank you. I wanted to actually get BLNR watch before my bday in July and I put deposit down with AD in May. he couldn't guarantee getting me before end of June and I got opportunity in mid-June to get at different AD however I needed to drive few hrs to AD + pay sales tax, which is something I could have avoided with original AD. it was a gamble if I pass on opportunity to do so and my original AD did not deliver before my bday. so I decided to drive, get the watch before bday and when original AD delivered to me a 1-2 weeks after, to sell it for my cost here on TRF to other member

Fellow member that started polluting my thread with no valuable contribution here could have easily read/verify this easily

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by Bavariandoc

Thank you. I wanted to actually get BLNR watch before my bday in July and I put deposit down with AD in May. he couldn't guarantee getting me before end of June and I got opportunity in mid-June to get at different AD however I needed to drive few hrs to AD + pay sales tax, which is something I could have avoided with original AD. it was a gamble if I pass on opportunity to do so and my original AD did not deliver before my bday. so I decided to drive, get the watch before bday and when original AD delivered to me a 1-2 weeks after, to sell it for my cost here on TRF to other member

Fellow member that started polluting my thread with no valuable contribution here could have easily read/verify this easily

So....the BLNR retails at $8,950+Tax( New York $760) for a total of $9,710. You are selling it for $10,500 and charging for shipping How in the world is that at your cost?


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[JacksonStone]

Originally Posted by Bavariandoc

Thank you. I wanted to actually get BLNR watch before my bday in July and I put deposit down with AD in May. he couldn't guarantee getting me before end of June and I got opportunity in mid-June to get at different AD however I needed to drive few hrs to AD + pay sales tax, which is something I could have avoided with original AD. it was a gamble if I pass on opportunity to do so and my original AD did not deliver before my bday. so I decided to drive, get the watch before bday and when original AD delivered to me a 1-2 weeks after, to sell it for my cost here on TRF to other member

Fellow member that started polluting my thread with no valuable contribution here could have easily read/verify this easily

That's certainly your prerogative, but in light of the quoted post where you extolled the virtue of removing onesself from other lists to allow other customers the chance to get the watch sooner, why not just tell the AD you already had the BLNR and let him sell it to the next guy on the list? Isn't that the very thing you said you would do? It seems to me purchasing from the AD directly would have been better for a prospective purchaser than paying your added costs and markup, tax, FedEx shipping costs, and wiring fees - all for a watch that, while technically unworn, was still also technically pre-owned.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Bavariandoc

Thank you. I wanted to actually get BLNR watch before my bday in July and I put deposit down with AD in May. he couldn't guarantee getting me before end of June and I got opportunity in mid-June to get at different AD however I needed to drive few hrs to AD + pay sales tax, which is something I could have avoided with original AD. it was a gamble if I pass on opportunity to do so and my original AD did not deliver before my bday. so I decided to drive, get the watch before bday and when original AD delivered to me a 1-2 weeks after, to sell it for my cost here on TRF to other member

Fellow member that started polluting my thread with no valuable contribution here could have easily read/verify this easily

you still bought a watch you didn't want or need only to sell it.

That was the point. Were you upfront with the AD at the time of the purchase that you would be selling it above retail the next day? You said some AD's were not being honest with you about BLNR deliveries. Did you tell all the AD's you were on 20 WL? The issue is less that you flipped the watch and more that you are doing the same thing you are accusing AD's of... not being upfront and being a bit shady with the whole process

Deposits are almost always refundable

[JacksonStone]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

So....the BLNR retails at $8,950+Tax( New York $760) for a total of $9,710. You are selling it for $10,500 and charging for shipping How in the world is that at your cost?

I don't know where the first AD is, but if we simply double the New York tax, that gets us to $10,470. It kind of looks like OP decided to pass along the tax on both watches to the buyer of the one he flipped, and maybe bumped the price another $30 to cover his travel expenses in obtaining the first watch, while simultaneously denying the next person on the wait list for the second watch the opportunity to buy it sooner.

But that's just a guess.

[Navarino]

This is hilarious.

It's funny how many of these threads have come up the past few months whose originators are people that get caught pulling some kind of flipping move like this (I recall a Daytona situation like this a few months ago).

OP - you got two BLNRs within a short amount of time. People across the pond are being told over a year or more (or no available waitlist at all) for the same watch. It's your right to feel upset about whatever you want, but don't be surprised if you don't find people receptive to your grievances here.

[Bavariandoc]

Originally Posted by JacksonStone

I don't know where the first AD is, but if we simply double the New York tax, that gets us to $10,470. It kind of looks like OP decided to pass along the tax on both watches to the buyer of the one he flipped, and maybe bumped the price another $30 to cover his travel expenses in obtaining the first watch, while simultaneously denying the next person on the wait list for the second watch the opportunity to buy it sooner.

But that's just a guess.

Correct, it's just a guess.

Posted price in ad is only asking price, not a sale one... tackle in travel expenses + shipping, its break even

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Bavariandoc

I was in market for BLNR about 4-5 months ago and have put myself on list at few ADs in 50 miles radius. Since then I have purchased BLNR.

Yesterday, coincidently or not, I get an email from 2 different ADs letting me know they didn’t forget about me and BLNR - they have not received a single piece since I reached out to them, and they don’t know when they will. However if I would like to check our different Rolex or see their jewelry selection, they’d be more than happy to help. I did let both know I already got BLNR and no longer in market for one.

Afterwards got me thinking – did they really not get any BLNR in last 4-5 months? 2 different ADs? I don’t think so. AD where I got mine got 2 pieces within few weeks but was upfront with me when I will get mine bc I wasn’t first one on the list.

this is just another example of how ADs are using sales tactics, or politics, trying to boost their business via waiting lists for Rolex SS hard to get pieces. ADs are making you believe they are more than willing to sell it to you and next one is yours but it’s not their fault – Rolex is not delivering.

Yeeeeeaaaaah right, we all know there’s no truth to this

Oh cmon. Really?

Your upset because someone followed up with you and tried to do their job?

[JacksonStone]

Originally Posted by Bavariandoc

Correct, it's just a guess.

Posted price in ad is only asking price, not a sale one... tackle in travel expenses + shipping, its break even

So your AD charged you above MSRP? Why bother with a waitlist, then, and risk not getting the watch in time for your birthday? Why not just buy from a gray and have it immediately? You also would have saved on sales tax and travel expenses that way.

Also, weren't the travel expenses associated with the watch you kept, which you opted to pay so you could get it sooner? Why tack them on to the sale of the second watch?

[doubleinfive]

Flip or flop?

[Old Geezer]

Based on low post count and join date, I’d guess OP joined TRF to flip a watch.

[WJGESQ]

Originally Posted by Bavariandoc

I was in market for BLNR about 4-5 months ago and have put myself on list at few ADs in 50 miles radius. Since then I have purchased BLNR.

Yesterday, coincidently or not, I get an email from 2 different ADs letting me know they didn’t forget about me and BLNR - they have not received a single piece since I reached out to them, and they don’t know when they will. However if I would like to check our different Rolex or see their jewelry selection, they’d be more than happy to help. I did let both know I already got BLNR and no longer in market for one.

Afterwards got me thinking – did they really not get any BLNR in last 4-5 months? 2 different ADs? I don’t think so. AD where I got mine got 2 pieces within few weeks but was upfront with me when I will get mine bc I wasn’t first one on the list.

this is just another example of how ADs are using sales tactics, or politics, trying to boost their business via waiting lists for Rolex SS hard to get pieces. ADs are making you believe they are more than willing to sell it to you and next one is yours but it’s not their fault – Rolex is not delivering.

Yeeeeeaaaaah right, we all know there’s no truth to this

Tell them you want the Pepsi.

[westsideclock]

Originally Posted by Bavariandoc

Correct, it's just a guess.

Posted price in ad is only asking price, not a sale one... tackle in travel expenses + shipping, its break even

It isn't the worst thing. I guess because it is a BLNR people view it as making a profit, though in reality you may have come out a couple hundred bucks ahead. Certainly, I don't think anyone would expect that you would sell at a loss. The question is whether you would have done the same on a BLRO or Daytona. In others words, if you ended up with two Daytonas, would one sell the extra one at a couple hundred dollars profit. If so, I see no issue with selling a watch for a couple hundred more than retail to someone who really wants it.

[JacksonStone]

Originally Posted by westsideclock

It isn't the worst thing. I guess because it is a BLNR people view it as making a profit, though in reality you may have come out a couple hundred bucks ahead. Certainly, I don't think anyone would expect that you would sell at a loss. The question is whether you would have done the same on a BLRO or Daytona. In others words, if you ended up with two Daytonas, would one sell the extra one at a couple hundred dollars profit. If so, I see no issue with selling a watch for a couple hundred more than retail to someone who really wants it.

I think the question some people have (myself included) is why buy the second watch in the first place. He certainly had time to contact the other AD, let them know he already had a BLNR, and get his deposit back. That he didn't suggests it was his intention to acquire it and sell it at a premium to - at a minimum - recoup some of the costs associated with his first purchase.

Whether or not that is wrong is a matter of perspective, but I think a lot of people here take a dim view of it. Perhaps the person he sold it to "really wanted it," but wouldn't the person next on the list rightly have dibs for having waited so long? At the very least, what he did is a direct contradiction of what he claimed several months ago in another thread:

Originally Posted by Bavariandoc

You did the right thing and I would’ve done the same.

Enjoy your watch and let the next person on list get theirs sooner

And to think, this whole conversation came about as a result of OP complaining about unseemly marketing tactics by ADs who contacted him because he was still on their waitlists.

[Bavariandoc]

Originally Posted by JacksonStone

I think the question some people have (myself included) is why buy the second watch in the first place. He certainly had time to contact the other AD, let them know he already had a BLNR, and get his deposit back. That he didn't suggests it was his intention to acquire it and sell it at a premium to - at a minimum - recoup some of the costs associated with his first purchase.

Whether or not that is wrong is a matter of perspective, but I think a lot of people here take a dim view of it. Perhaps the person he sold it to "really wanted it," but wouldn't the person next on the list rightly have dibs for having waited so long? At the very least, what he did is a direct contradiction of what he claimed several months ago in another thread:



And to think, this whole conversation came about as a result of OP complaining about unseemly marketing tactics by ADs who contacted him because he was still on their waitlists.

Pal, this thread was started so I can share my experience with fellow members and exchange thoughts/opinions, positive or negative

I appreciate your input but it’s not really valuable nor helps anyone here on TRF in any way

All you doing here is assuming, accusing, guessing things and dissecting my previous threads/replies trying to show as I am somewhere somehow contradicting myself. Not much success as if you only pay attention to my initial thread, you will see that I did let both ADs know I am no longer in market for one. to break it down further for you, this means to remove me from waiting list

With that being said and all due respect, give us all a break...

[JacksonStone]

If nothing else, your posts serve as an object lesson in gaslighting. That's got to be some kind of service to the rest of the members here.