from 2025 gas boilers to be banned

[rolexinfl]

Originally Posted by timedate

if you dont live in the uk,

you have no idea of the type of people who are running it,

they were once on the fringes being laughed at, like you are ridiculing me,

they now run the show, in all public and private spheres.

UK used to rule the world, strongest navy, colonial outposts....and now you need an ID to buy a bag of plastic knives. How far the uk has fallen

[timedate]

Originally Posted by SearChart

A new house should have solar panels, which considerably lowers energy costs.

but there is no sun in the uk

electricity is made by burning coal at power stations, same as burning gas

vostok ice samples is what i go by

waiting on your next gem

[timedate]

Originally Posted by rolexinfl

UK used to rule the world, strongest navy, colonial outposts....and now you need an ID to buy a bag of plastic knives. How far the uk has fallen

it is a pathetic place, the majority of people think like the government and vote for more of the lunacy

[rolexinfl]

Originally Posted by timedate

it is a pathetic place, the majority of people think like the government and vote for more of the lunacy

Move to the USA, we are always accepting those who are rejecting globalism and neutering of individual rights.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by toxicavenger

I do not know what the cost is on solar panels there but here it takes about 10 years to start recouping your investment. The upfront cost is ridiculous. Even with tax breaks here it is still way to high. The other issue is longevity of the solar panels. Where i live at they constantly get damaged but hail. Which sucks because we get over 300 days of sunshine a year.

Solar panels are heavily subsidized over here.

[mannyv11]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Solar panels are heavily subsidized over here.

Same here. I just priced up an entire house solar system and it would cost me 28k out of pocket and I would not owe a dime to my electrical company.
Also with the s-req system I can sell to the electrical companies and my panels are paid for in about 4-5 years.

[timedate]

Originally Posted by rolexinfl

Move to the USA, we are always accepting those who are rejecting globalism and neutering of individual rights.

i was hoping that when you know who was elected, that a wave of his positivity and common sense would transmit over the pond,

But its like they are doing the opposite over here to spite him.

[mangoseed]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Solar panels are heavily subsidized over here.

And they still don't make economic sense. Solar panels in a country infamous for such cloudy weather is just daft.

[mannyv11]

Originally Posted by timedate

i was hoping that when you know who was elected, that a wave of his positivity and common sense would transmit over the pond,

But its like they are doing the opposite over here to spite him.

Positivity and common sense????!

[timedate]

Originally Posted by mannyv11

Positivity and common sense????!

yes, its how i see him, i am able to put aside the showman stuff that others are unable to, or dont want to.


such a massive improvement on the previous 16 years or 24 if you like.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by timedate

yes, its how i see him, i am able to put aside the showman stuff that others are unable to, or dont want to.


such a massive improvement on the previous 16 years or 24 if you like.

I get the idea that you don't care about the gas boiler thing at all and just want to discuss/complain about politics... IBTL.

[uscmatt99]

Originally Posted by mannyv11

Same here. I just priced up an entire house solar system and it would cost me 28k out of pocket and I would not owe a dime to my electrical company.
Also with the s-req system I can sell to the electrical companies and my panels are paid for in about 4-5 years.

My parents did this and they love it. They have been beholden to PG&E in California and got sick of rising energy bills. Now they average $8 per month since install. Will be paid off in 5-10 years as compared to continuing to draw off the grid. Who in their right mind wouldn't want as much energy independence as possible? Development of renewables is in its infancy, will only get less expensive with time.

[mannyv11]

Originally Posted by timedate

yes, its how i see him, i am able to put aside the showman stuff that others are unable to, or dont want to.


such a massive improvement on the previous 16 years or 24 if you like.

Lol

[mangoseed]

Originally Posted by uscmatt99

My parents did this and they love it. They have been beholden to PG&E in California and got sick of rising energy bills. Now they average $8 per month since install. Will be paid off in 5-10 years as compared to continuing to draw off the grid. Who in their right mind wouldn't want as much energy independence as possible? Development of renewables is in its infancy, will only get less expensive with time.

It is hardly independence if it is dependent on subsidies to be cheaper. Renewables will come eventually through technological progression but subsidizing them and banning alternatives will only slow the progression to efficiency.

[BisonHead]

Originally Posted by SearChart

A new house should have solar panels, which considerably lowers energy costs.

Feed in tariff ends this month for domestic solar!!! Installation must be competed by the end of this month and application made to register by end of Feb next year 2020.

So unless you already have installation in place or current. It aint happening, big report published today in this regards.

70 years to reclaim installation cost now, which is twice the life span of the system. Makes interesting reading.

HMG have not decided on what will replace it, bit like the bio mass fiasco. You can make around 37K GBP a year from heating empty barns, thats after paying for the biomass.

Thats green isn't is, burn more and pollute more and earn more.

They have placed domestic solar installation as the next PPI tort suit in the UK.

Food for thought.

[BisonHead]

Originally Posted by rolexinfl

UK used to rule the world, strongest navy, colonial outposts....and now you need an ID to buy a bag of plastic knives. How far the uk has fallen

Biggest Allies you have in this world and vice versa. Only 2 nations that back each other up.

Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the fight within the dog.

Believe me i know that from first hand experience.

One of the proudest moments of my life was my family and myself being invited to the White House under Pres Obama. As Brits it doesn't happen too often.

[Cru Jones]

The overall pollution impact from solar panels is significant, from majority of production in China (with their terribly inefficient and polluting coal power generation) to transport costs to end of life disposal.

There is no free lunch, and substituting gas with electricity, the vast majority of which is generated using fossil fuels (except France, which is 75% nuclear - a wholy different issue), isn’t an “automatic win”. I’m afraid it’s more nuanced....

And then there’s the issue of becoming “energy dependent” on state-subsidized Chinese solar panels and technology. Not sure that’s a long-term answer either.

Oh, and the government subsidies to go solar, even if they are being reduced, might have been more effectively spent on greater efficiency of current methods.

Just my two cents....

[BisonHead]

^^^^ Very good points indeed. UK needs to go Nuclear if they wish the lights to stay on. However we have ravaged our own power industries, so i think we looked to France to build our power solution.

Disgraceful, nothing against the French, just the way we have been short sighted within the UK.

[timedate]

Originally Posted by SearChart

I get the idea that you don't care about the gas boiler thing at all and just want to discuss/complain about politics... IBTL.

But thats just it searchart, the banning of gas boilers in 2025 is totally political, except it politics using emotional blackmail backed up with pseudo science

of course i care when my freedoms are removed under the guise of it being good for the environment.

Read about the vostok ice samples, real science without an agenda.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by timedate

But thats just it searchart, the banning of gas boilers in 2025 is totally political, except it politics using emotional blackmail backed up with pseudo science

of course i care when my freedoms are removed under the guise of it being good for the environment.

Read about the vostok ice samples, real science without an agenda.

I understand your frustration but this forum is not for discussing political subjects and if you read the rules you would know that.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by timedate

But thats just it searchart, the banning of gas boilers in 2025 is totally political, except it politics using emotional blackmail backed up with pseudo science

of course i care when my freedoms are removed under the guise of it being good for the environment.

Read about the vostok ice samples, real science without an agenda.

I always feel bad for people who are always sure they're right and everyone else just doesn't get it.

Can't be easy.

[mangoseed]

Originally Posted by Blansky

I always feel bad for people who are always sure they're right and everyone else just doesn't get it.

Can't be easy.

That's the majority of people actually, there were others example of it in this thread by people opposing him too.

[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Solar panels are heavily subsidized over here.

And yet not everyone is able to afford it and make the upgrades.

Easy to say ''just throw +30-40k euro at it'' (even with government help) but how many people even have that kind of money saved up (hint: not a lot). They can barely pay the rent of afford the mortgage (that's another story and their financial mismanagement).

It all sounds great on paper but it will take a long time to get it implemented. Since it's just a start and all new, it makes sense but it isn't as easy as it sounds.


I'm not a fan of electricity. I'm positive the prices will skyrocket if we have to use electricity for almost everything + electric cars.

[toxicavenger]

Originally Posted by mannyv11

Same here. I just priced up an entire house solar system and it would cost me 28k out of pocket and I would not owe a dime to my electrical company.
Also with the s-req system I can sell to the electrical companies and my panels are paid for in about 4-5 years.

But did you do it? I am talking from experience of actually owning them. Not relying off of the info from a sales person.

[mannyv11]

Originally Posted by toxicavenger

But did you do it? I am talking from experience of actually owning them. Not relying off of the info from a sales person.

Yup they were installed this summer.

[toxicavenger]

Originally Posted by mannyv11

Yup they were installed this summer.

Good deal. Now please let me know when you pay yours off. Because I haven't yet and it has been almost 10 years.