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FTX I · 11 September 2019, 07:59 AM

Love the classic Defender. What's your take on the new one?

https://www.businessinsider.com/land...eatures-2019-9

locutus49 · 11 September 2019, 08:23 AM

I like the small one.

GB-man · 11 September 2019, 08:38 AM

Been waiting for this for years. A lot to process. Tempted to order but the usual fears of spending long afternoons staring at vintage snow shoes and drinking shit coffee in the service department have me second guessing.

RobearH · 11 September 2019, 08:38 AM

Meh...2 door could have been so much better and open air like the original.

Dr.Brian · 11 September 2019, 08:40 AM

No way. I knew that they would tart it all up.
Loaded is in the 80’s. Hard pass. I’m glad I didn’t wait.

FTX I · 11 September 2019, 08:44 AM

The 90 is awesome like the classic. Not sure the new one will be as tough as the old one though.

~JJ · 11 September 2019, 08:55 AM

This will take some time to process and may need to see it in person. On first look, I really dislike like the exterior design and keeps me longing for the prior gen. Mercedes is able to balance luxury with a boxy old school design with the g wagon, not so much with new D90/110. Feels like a techy/hipster ride vs an off-road tool... I know most don’t off-road, but I do.

superdog · 11 September 2019, 09:03 AM

I saw this earlier. I’m very much not a fan.

SearChart · 11 September 2019, 09:06 AM

I like it, but I will always prefer the old Defender.

El Cascarrabias · 11 September 2019, 09:09 AM

Looks like RR did to the Defender what Rolex did to the Submariner.

Probably a better vehicle overall but something was lost.

Like? Some will, some won't.

FTX I · 11 September 2019, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SearChart

I like it, but I will always prefer the old Defender.

Agree. However the classic is a pain to drive IMO.

Chewbacca · 11 September 2019, 09:26 AM

It’s OK. Like the front bench seat option.

Gimme a used FJ any day.

Wesley Crusher · 11 September 2019, 09:32 AM

Looks terrible, IMO. Kia Soul knockoff.

Flyinghunter · 11 September 2019, 10:36 AM

The new design abandons the rich legacy of the original. It looks like a Scion or Kia Soul but likely without their reliability. MB did the 2019 G Wagon exceptionally well as they created the first meaningful update in 30 years while remaining true to its heritage. Anyone remember the Mustang II, an abysmal iteration of the legacy Stang?

East Bay Rider · 11 September 2019, 11:25 AM

I wanted not to hate it but it's not tall, utilitarian and with straight axles. Those are the things I liked most about the previous generations. Do they even know/care why people liked the old ones?
Sigh, I'm sure this will be a big hit at the mall.

PackPride · 11 September 2019, 11:32 AM

Missed a big opportunity- not a fan of the new ones.

rmlovett1 · 11 September 2019, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SearChart

I like it, but I will always prefer the old Defender.

⬆️⬆️⬆️ Exactly!

swils8610 · 11 September 2019, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GB-man

Been waiting for this for years. A lot to process. Tempted to order but the usual fears of spending long afternoons staring at vintage snow shoes and drinking shit coffee in the service department have me second guessing.

Lol! Made me laugh Tom. First model year will be a disaster with issues. You may need to pack a lunch when bringing it in for service...your LC is bullet proof.

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kirksingleton · 11 September 2019, 01:01 PM

Love the old ones, this is just fugly

minty007 · 11 September 2019, 02:13 PM

The technology is impressive, but the aesthetics... S O F T.

Laszlo · 11 September 2019, 02:27 PM

That thing is absolutely painful to look at. How disastrous.

DLRIDES · 11 September 2019, 05:42 PM

Ford Motor Company called and wants their Flex back !

Token74 · 11 September 2019, 06:15 PM

Excellent car, but not a fan. I had a Defender 90 and loved it for what it was, a genuine workhorse. The new Defender is supremely capable, but it’s now an expensive lifestyle vehicle, which isn’t for me.

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Cru Jones · 11 September 2019, 06:41 PM

I couldn't get past this photo in the article....

armybuck041 · 11 September 2019, 06:51 PM

The whole line got strange..

The LR3/4/Disco was basically turned into a slightly larger Evoque, and now this new Defender has turned into a slightly smaller LR3/4/Disco. Essentially the brand neutered both of their “rugged” platforms.

swatty · 11 September 2019, 07:11 PM

I think Mercedes did a better job with the New G Wagon.
The new defender doesn’t seem “tough” enough

1William · 11 September 2019, 09:21 PM

Not a fan with the release pictures. The vehicle could grow on me in the future but I had a very bad ownership experience with RR and will never go back. There are a lot of alternatives that do it better at the same price point and are reliable and maintain some resale value.

The Libertine · 11 September 2019, 10:48 PM

Easy pass for me.

beshannon · 11 September 2019, 11:03 PM

I do not understand the interest

encarter13 · 11 September 2019, 11:24 PM

If the top isn't removable, I am not a fan. I think they missed the boat on this one.

11 September 2019, 07:59 AM	#1
FTX I "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Flavio Location: N/A Posts: 14,654	The all-new Land Rover Defender. Love the classic Defender. What's your take on the new one? https://www.businessinsider.com/land...eatures-2019-9

11 September 2019, 08:38 AM	#3
GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,356	Been waiting for this for years. A lot to process. Tempted to order but the usual fears of spending long afternoons staring at vintage snow shoes and drinking shit coffee in the service department have me second guessing. __________________

11 September 2019, 08:40 AM	#5
Dr.Brian 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: CA dreamin' Watch: ing the market. Posts: 5,906	No way. I knew that they would tart it all up. Loaded is in the 80’s. Hard pass. I’m glad I didn’t wait. __________________ -Brian AUDENTES FORTUNA IUVAT 十人十色

11 September 2019, 09:03 AM	#8
superdog 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Seth Location: nj Watch: Omega Posts: 24,834	I saw this earlier. I’m very much not a fan. __________________ If happiness is a state of mind, why look anywhere else for it? IG: gsmotorclub IG: thesawcollection (Both mostly just car stuff)

11 September 2019, 09:09 AM	#10
El Cascarrabias "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Frank Location: USA Watch: 16613LB Posts: 1,006	Looks like RR did to the Defender what Rolex did to the Submariner. Probably a better vehicle overall but something was lost. Like? Some will, some won't. __________________ _________ <=> You really need to be, not seem to be.

11 September 2019, 08:23 AM	#2
locutus49 Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: John Location: La Jolla, CA Watch: Platona Posts: 12,194	I like the small one.

11 September 2019, 08:38 AM	#4
RobearH Banned Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Robear Location: Come and Take It! Watch: 126710 BLRO Posts: 1,632	Meh...2 door could have been so much better and open air like the original.

11 September 2019, 08:44 AM	#6
FTX I "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Flavio Location: N/A Posts: 14,654	The 90 is awesome like the classic. Not sure the new one will be as tough as the old one though.

11 September 2019, 08:55 AM	#7
~JJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Chicago Watch: explorer Posts: 2,292	This will take some time to process and may need to see it in person. On first look, I really dislike like the exterior design and keeps me longing for the prior gen. Mercedes is able to balance luxury with a boxy old school design with the g wagon, not so much with new D90/110. Feels like a techy/hipster ride vs an off-road tool... I know most don’t off-road, but I do.

11 September 2019, 09:26 AM	#12
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,112	It’s OK. Like the front bench seat option. Gimme a used FJ any day.

11 September 2019, 09:32 AM	#13
Wesley Crusher "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Wes Location: Holosuite Posts: 6,345	Looks terrible, IMO. Kia Soul knockoff.

11 September 2019, 10:36 AM	#14
Flyinghunter "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: South Posts: 342	The new design abandons the rich legacy of the original. It looks like a Scion or Kia Soul but likely without their reliability. MB did the 2019 G Wagon exceptionally well as they created the first meaningful update in 30 years while remaining true to its heritage. Anyone remember the Mustang II, an abysmal iteration of the legacy Stang?

11 September 2019, 11:25 AM	#15
East Bay Rider "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Bill Location: East Bay RI Watch: GMT-II 16710LN Posts: 12,074	I wanted not to hate it but it's not tall, utilitarian and with straight axles. Those are the things I liked most about the previous generations. Do they even know/care why people liked the old ones? Sigh, I'm sure this will be a big hit at the mall. __________________ I bought a cheap watch from the crazy man Floating down canal It doesn't use numbers or moving hands It always just says "now" Now you may be thinking that I was had But this watch is never wrong And if I have trouble the warranty said Breathe In, Breathe Out, Move On J. Buffett Instagram: eastbayrider46

11 September 2019, 11:32 AM	#16
PackPride "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: North Carolina Posts: 173	Missed a big opportunity- not a fan of the new ones.

11 September 2019, 01:01 PM	#19
kirksingleton "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,759	Love the old ones, this is just fugly

11 September 2019, 02:13 PM	#20
minty007 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 6	The technology is impressive, but the aesthetics... S O F T.

11 September 2019, 02:27 PM	#21
Laszlo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Watch: Date & No Date Posts: 10,868	That thing is absolutely painful to look at. How disastrous. __________________ "You might as well question why we breathe. If we stop breathing, we'll die. If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die." Paul Henreid as Victor Laszlo in Casablanca

11 September 2019, 05:42 PM	#22
DLRIDES 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Real Name: Don Location: NC/WY Watch: Me Posts: 4,676	Ford Motor Company called and wants their Flex back ! __________________ *Purchasing your first non HOA home on a 3 acre lot DOES NOT equate to owning a “farm”.*

11 September 2019, 06:15 PM	#23
Token74 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Vince Location: England Watch: Too many! Posts: 5,744	Excellent car, but not a fan. I had a Defender 90 and loved it for what it was, a genuine workhorse. The new Defender is supremely capable, but it’s now an expensive lifestyle vehicle, which isn’t for me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Time is limited, make every second count. Patek Philippe Nautilus 5990 - AP Royal Oak 15300 - AP Royal Oak 15450 Blue - AP Royal Oak 15450 Silver - AP Royal Oak Offshore 26480 - Royal Oak Offshore 15710 - Rolex Sea Dweller 116600 - Rolex Daytona 116519 - Rolex GMT 126710 BLRO - Omega Speedmaster Reduced - JLC Reverso GMT Moonphase - TAG Microtimer - Dent Pocket Watch - JLC Atmos Phases de lune

11 September 2019, 06:41 PM	#24
Cru Jones 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 35,308	I couldn't get past this photo in the article....

11 September 2019, 06:51 PM	#25
armybuck041 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Fred'ton Canada Watch: Easy Come, Easy Go Posts: 304	The whole line got strange.. The LR3/4/Disco was basically turned into a slightly larger Evoque, and now this new Defender has turned into a slightly smaller LR3/4/Disco. Essentially the brand neutered both of their “rugged” platforms. __________________ Easy come, easy go....

11 September 2019, 07:11 PM	#26
swatty 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Peter Location: Sydney Watch: The Game Posts: 17,415	I think Mercedes did a better job with the New G Wagon. The new defender doesn’t seem “tough” enough

11 September 2019, 09:21 PM	#27
1William 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 47,801	Not a fan with the release pictures. The vehicle could grow on me in the future but I had a very bad ownership experience with RR and will never go back. There are a lot of alternatives that do it better at the same price point and are reliable and maintain some resale value.

11 September 2019, 10:48 PM	#28
The Libertine Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: Mike Location: BOS Watch: 16710;14060;214270 Posts: 6,375	Easy pass for me.

11 September 2019, 11:03 PM	#29
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11 September 2019, 11:24 PM	#30
encarter13 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Real Name: Nick Location: Georgia Posts: 2,613	If the top isn't removable, I am not a fan. I think they missed the boat on this one. __________________ Instagram - watches_wine

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