Sihh 2019

[Crown & Shield]

Just checked, 32mm vs. 26,6mm on the 15400.

[Burlington]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Is the new 4302 calibre used in other APs? Is it good?

I previously sold my 15400 due to the large case which doesn't look good on my 6.5 inch wrist. I probably won't buy the new 15500 due to the similar diameter but thicker case.

Is it not a brand new movement from the 11:59 range ?

I felt the 400 wore big on me too, but think the new design will wear smaller on the wrist

[mnl]

Originally Posted by Burlington

Is it not a brand new movement from the 11:59 range ?

I felt the 400 wore big on me too, but think the new design will wear smaller on the wrist

You really think the new one will wear smaller? Even though it is a thicker case at a little over 10mm? I would’ve thought that would make it wear even larger!

[Burlington]

Originally Posted by mnl

You really think the new one will wear smaller? Even though it is a thicker case at a little over 10mm? I would’ve thought that would make it wear even larger!

I think so yes - but based more on the dial. From the alternating comparison pic which was posted, the bezel seems to have a bit more thickness to it too.

The visual impression for me is that my diver wears smaller than the 15400 did, am assuming the 15500 aesthetics would have a similar effect.

Until it’s tried on though - speculation !

[997GT3]

I've been on this forum for a few years now. I mainly only post to buy or sell. I have two AP's currently in my stable. This is my first post in the AP section.

This Code 11.59 is rubbish. This watch looks cheap. What a discredit to the brand.. and leave it to Hodinkee to prop it up. If someone gave me one I'd flip it. Such a shame.

I'm glad someone brought up the Montblanc correlation, that was the first watch that came to mind.

The 15500 sucks too. I'd take the new GP Laureato 42mm over that. 15400 in a heartbeat.

Such a shame.

Originally Posted by edo

They are one big joke... to push the reveal on official webiste and all the bloggers post the final product before them...

Speaking of watches the key design element, which is the midcase octagon is not visible on hand, and watch looks one of million generic watches with absolutely nothing new and premium looking.

Big disappointment in my book...

[SpunkyQ8]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

15400 vs. 15500

Thanks you!

[Sho-nuff]

Originally Posted by christopheran

15400 is 9.8 mm and 15500 is 10.4 mm thick. The old version was so much better. The dial configuration was elegant and sporty, but now AP managed to Maxi-dial the RO.

In its favour, the 15500 does have the brand new calibre 4302, which runs at 4hz and has a 70hr power reserve.

[SpunkyQ8]

This is the only thing that may stand out IMO. Yet still a reedition of the limited edition 14802.. What R&D did AP do for 2019?
ZILCH!

[Crown & Shield]

Originally Posted by Sho-nuff

In its favour, the 15500 does have the brand new calibre 4302, which runs at 4hz and has a 70hr power reserve.

It seems that for AP fans finally putting a modern, in-house movement that fills the whole case in the Royal Oak is a negative

[karasus]

Originally Posted by Crown & Shield

It seems that for AP fans this is actually a negative

I think most people the movement is neutral. That said the new movement gets better performance numbers but is 20% thicker.

would have love to see a thin tough ultra slim 3 day automatic, keeping the same design language of the RO.

[Sho-nuff]

Originally Posted by karasus

That said the new movement gets better performance numbers but is 20% thicker.

Where are you getting the references for the 20% extra thickness please? I thought the new movement is 12.5% thicker. The increase in case thickness (15400 vs 15500) is only 6%.

[karasus]

Originally Posted by Sho-nuff

Where are you getting the references for the 20% extra thickness please? I thought the new movement is 12.5% thicker. The increase in case thickness (15400 vs 15500) is only 6%.

Comparing to the AP 2121 movement, they could make something that is much more robust and stronger with modern materials and design but keep the thinness with all their R&D.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Burlington

Is it not a brand new movement from the 11:59 range ?

I felt the 400 wore big on me too, but think the new design will wear smaller on the wrist

Looking at Harry Lime's pic the 550 does look smaller, as I said before it does remind me of the 300. Thickness makes less difference, esp if under a mm or so, in this case 0.6mm. Inhouse cal and PR would push me to this one I think.

Originally Posted by SpunkyQ8

This is the only thing that may stand out IMO. Yet still a reedition of the limited edition 14802.. What R&D did AP do for 2019?
ZILCH!

Not sure as this is a gold dial not the vaulted salmon, which I thought it was too at first, another trick missed. The gold/mustard dial on the 42 ROOs were not a hit so this is not sure to be.

[strettyend]

Anyone know the pricing on the 38mm chronos? If less than the 41's currently retail for its a no brainer for me...

[V25V]

Originally Posted by korneevy

15500 is AP's response to Rolex's maxi case (some 10 years later). It looks like a pregnant 15400 carrying twins. Basically, they've now got 1 watch that everyone wants (15202), and the rest is just the garnish to sell it;)

That's exactly right, only reason they seem to be keeping it. Only heritage they have left. This is all extremely disappointing to me.


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[korneevy]

Originally Posted by strettyend

Anyone know the pricing on the 38mm chronos? If less than the 41's currently retail for its a no brainer for me...

Cheaper? Mate, of course it will be more expensive, may be by 1.5-2K but def pricier.

[kingofthehill]

This is an interesting video on the new Code 11.59 collection that warrants viewing in my opinion;

https://monochrome-watches.com/the-n...ned-sihh-2019/

[blacke90]

Originally Posted by strettyend

Anyone know the pricing on the 38mm chronos? If less than the 41's currently retail for its a no brainer for me...

I would assume same price or cheaper since it has the same movement as the 41mm. Similar to how AP price the 15400 and 15450.

[SpunkyQ8]

[QUOTE=AK797;9256331
Not sure as this is a gold dial not the vaulted salmon, which I thought it was too at first, another trick missed. The gold/mustard dial on the 42 ROOs were not a hit so this is not sure to be.[/QUOTE]
And there you go. Back to round one.. Thought it was a salmon dial my self

[strettyend]

Originally Posted by blacke90

I would assume same price or cheaper since it has the same movement as the 41mm. Similar to how AP price the 15400 and 15450.

My thoughts as well. Not sure why the 38 would be more than the 41

[christopheran]

Yeah, I think it’ll be slightly less expensive.


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[uscmatt99]

The more I think about it, the more I like the progressive divergence of the Royal Oak line over the past few generations. I think most agree that the 15202 is de facto perfection against which all other RO references should be compared, so I put that one first for reference. These are all captured directly from AP's site, though the scaling may be off a bit.

The 15300 "sportified" the RO line with a more muscular case and bracelet. However I always felt the dial was a bit small relative to the bezel when compared to the 15202. Can't say I liked the white date window, even though I see what they were going for since the 9:00 hour index is a bit beefier than the svelte 15202 markers, for balance I guess.

The 15400 re-established a better dial to bezel ratio, and I favored the more vibrant blue hue of the dial. However, the small movement pulled the date window away from the edge of the dial, and they were left filling in the gap with a partial hour index.

The 15500 maintains the pleasing dial to bezel ratio, and moves the date window to the "right" place, if not a little too close to the edge. The larger AP and Audemars Piguet lines nicely compliment the relatively shorter but fatter hour indices. The hands and hour indices have become fuller and more jewel-like with the facets, and I like the increased lume. I agree with others' observations that the bottom half of the dial is a bit too spacious, as this is the only reference where that hemisphere is relatively empty.

Overall, I think the 15xxx line has evolved nicely, and there is the most clear distinction yet between a 15202 and 15500 allowing for both references in a collection. They are really two different pieces even from the front, let alone how different they will sit on the wrist. I look forward to AP's implementation of the new chrono movement (hopefully in the same case), and maybe they will be so kind as to offer a no-date version for those of us who despise the 4:30 tipped over date windows.

RO composite by uscmatt99, on Flickr

[SMD]

Originally Posted by korneevy

Cheaper? Mate, of course it will be more expensive, may be by 1.5-2K but def pricier.

Why would a 38 mm with the same movement as the 41 be priced higher than the 41

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by SMD

Why would a 38 mm with the same movement as the 41 be priced higher than the 41

It won’t I assume he thought the guy was speaking of the 15500 vs the 38mm chrono.

[tng11]

A couple of thoughts instead of piling on like everyone did yesterday:

I think the Code 11.59 results were pretty terrible. They had a lot of good ideas - the case design and the movement are interesting. Unfortunately, it feels like it was a team that came up with great ideas by themselves, but then when it came time to put them together, there was no flow or synergy between the ideas. And this is what happened as a result. The result was a watch that is painfully generic, and reminiscent of watches available at the mall. I personally think that had they kept it as the perpetual calendar only, then the reaction would not have been so negative, as that one actually looked fine (not necessarily my cup of tea, but the design wasn't offensive.)

I get that the Code 11.59 may have been a response to all those who kvetch about AP being a one-trick pony and all just being about the Royal Oak. That criticism in itself is flawed IMO, as the RO and ROO are very different watches, just that they share some of the design signature. I think AP would have done better to revive some classic, simple dress pieces in the JA line, to continue to compete with AP and Lange. Unfortunately, this attempt at a whole new design seems to reinforce that AP is running out of ideas, which in itself isn't necessarily a bad thing. The Royal Oak has stood the test of time for 40+ years and has become a watchmaking icon. There is nothing necessarily wrong with that.

As for the 15400 vs. 15500, I think the 15500 was poorly thought out. So much negative and empty space on the dial. I know one of the criticisms of the 15400 was the inward date window, but that helped cancel out some of the emptiness of the dial. Well, now with the shorter, fat markers, outward date window and removal of "Automatic", the watch looks even emptier than it did. Not to mention, why are we walking backwards and making the watch even thicker?

The 38mm ROC is intriguing and I hope that's a sign of AP making more 38mm releases as the 41mm watches are just so large and empty. But, again, that date window placement bugs me, why is it not centered between the 4 and 5 markers???

The new WG 15202, is a killer and the surefire winner in my books of SIHH 2019. But damn, 75 pieces only? The grey market is going to go nuts on this one for sure. And that's also going to make 15202STs all the more harder to get, considering they still have IPs to deliver, the YG/RG ones, and the new WG to produce.

[edo]

First live of gray ceramic 44...

[edo]

Nooo. ROO with 4-5 date placement :///

[edo]

Or maybe YESSSSS... it's a new 42mm ROO line with 44mm pushers...

[yoast]

Originally Posted by edo

Nooo. ROO with 4-5 date placement :///

Apart form the date, I like it!

[ragsk]

How much do we think that new WG 15202 limited edition rose gold dial will price at ? $60 to 65k?

I really like the look of it.