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RT · 29 May 2007, 05:34 AM

Thanks for your answer again, Prince. I will keep that information in my reference file.

Prince · 29 May 2007, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RenoTommy

Thanks for your answer again, Prince. I will keep that information in my reference file.

You are most welcome, Tommy!

SPACE-DWELLER · 29 May 2007, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

That is true of the modern day Rolex watches. The older ones did have the gold filling.

JJ

The crown of the TT Sub - for example - is gold filled, too.

SPACE-DWELLER · 29 May 2007, 07:03 AM

And WELCOME to the FINEST Rolex Forums of the world, period!

Prince · 29 May 2007, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spacedweller

And WELCOME to the FINEST Rolex Forums of the world, period!

Hands down!

JJ Irani · 29 May 2007, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spacedweller

The crown of the TT Sub - for example - is gold filled, too.

WRONG!!

It's a solid 18 K gold MONOBLOC cap with steel threads incorporated inside!!

SPACE-DWELLER · 29 May 2007, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

WRONG!!

It's a solid 18 K gold MONOBLOC cap with steel threads incorporated inside!!

That's just a posh marketing way of saying it is gold filled

JJ Irani · 29 May 2007, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spacedweller

That's just a posh marketing way of saying it is gold filled

SPACE-DWELLER · 29 May 2007, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

I think it's a "solid 18 K gold MONOBLOC cap with steel threads incorporated inside" then.

mikey · 29 May 2007, 08:56 AM

Reno, I have the same issue. I get the blue wrist on gold plate and I get the black ring around my neck and wrist. Thats why I have to have all genuine gold or steel jewellry. If its a necklace or bracelet then it has to be whitegold for white metal.

RT · 29 May 2007, 09:04 AM

You guys are funny!!!

I was on the eBay watch forum and boy, those guys were vicious. IT seemed they were there for the sole purpose of cutting each other down and to insult each other - NOT in a joking way either, rather than sticking to the topic. When a new member complained that he got "rip-off" on eBay by a scam, those sharks came right on top and practically told him he deserved it.

I quit after seeing several of those nasty postings. I sure don't need that kind of negativities in my life. Surprisingly, the "boss" of that forum did not try to stop that kinda nonsense.

It is refreshing to be at this forum where everybody seems to be friendly and in a good mood.

JJ Irani · 29 May 2007, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RenoTommy

You guys are funny!!!

I was on the eBay watch forum and boy, those guys were vicious. IT seemed they were there for the sole purpose of cutting each other down and to insult each other - NOT in a joking way either, rather than sticking to the topic. When a new member complained that he got "rip-off" on eBay by a scam, those sharks came right on top and practically told him he deserved it.

I quit after seeing several of those nasty postings. I sure don't need that kind of negativities in my life. Surprisingly, the "boss" of that forum did not try to stop that kinda nonsense.

It is refreshing to be at this forum where everybody seems to be friendly and in a good mood.

Thanks, Reno. This is TRF - and the "F" stands for FRIENDLY!!

RT · 29 May 2007, 09:11 AM

Mikey:

Actually, as I grow older, I am a little bit better on the acidy hand issue. When I was a teenager, I couldn't even wear a (solid) gold ring for a month, without having my acid "ate" through the gold and the whole ring would literally fall off from my finger. Now, as long as my jewelry is solid gold or steel, it will stay on me for years.

Oh by the way, my name is Tommy. My dog's name is Reno and guess where we adopted him?

Thanks for your input.

RT · 29 May 2007, 09:14 AM

JJ, you are the funniest one. I especially like those little faces with machine guns.....they are so cute!

Thanks for being here!

mailman · 29 May 2007, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RenoTommy

JJ, you are the funniest one. I especially like those little faces with machine guns.....they are so cute!

Thanks for being here!

Welcome to TRF Tommy.

Have you ever gone to the zoo and read the sign that said "Please don't feed the monkeys" That's how we like to treat JJ around here. His ego is big enough, he doesn't need for it to be fed.

RT · 29 May 2007, 12:34 PM

Well, I was just telling the truth.

JJ Irani · 29 May 2007, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mailman

Welcome to TRF Tommy.

Have you ever gone to the zoo and read the sign that said "Please don't feed the monkeys" That's how we like to treat JJ around here. His ego is big enough, he doesn't need for it to be fed.

Hey, who you calling a monkey, you tosser?

subkrawler · 29 May 2007, 01:25 PM

So, on a gold filled oyster perpetual for the early 70s...would the case appear to be gold from above but when flipped over, the back of the case(not the caseback) is stainless?

jac67 · 29 May 2007, 06:00 PM

He is one of my 14k Gold-Shell OP Date.

I believe Rolex used the terms gold-shell and gold-filled interchangeably.

On the bracelet it has stamped: 1/10-14KGF, but Rolex calls it Gold-Shell.

John.

mailman · 29 May 2007, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Hey, who you calling a monkey, you tosser?

If the gorilla suit fits...

padi56 · 29 May 2007, 07:48 PM

And to get back on topic thats a great picture John.

RT · 29 May 2007, 08:21 PM

Ah, so Rolex does have some models which it labeled as "gold shell". Gee, I thought I was crazy because I swear I had seen that term before with Rolex. Those two terms, to wit: gold shell and gold filled, are interchangeable by the company but they are the same.

Alcan · 29 May 2007, 08:27 PM

Although all current models are solid 18k gold, Rolex has made lots of gold filled watches in past years. Here are a few examples:

http://www.classicwristwatch.com/Rol...Top%201983.htm
"The 18K Yellow Gold filled case........."

http://www.girards.com/sell/page2.shtml
Scroll down to: 2-8 200398 - Rolex Prince Observatory Doctors Watch

This one is from the man himself, James Dowling:

http://www.ukwatches.com/Rolex1.html
Unusual Rolex Perpetual with US made GF case
"This watch has a US made gold filled case made so as to avoid high US import duties in the 1950s/1960s; although Rolex USA were still offering these watches as late as the early 1980s. The movements, dials & hands all arrived separately in the US, and by assembling the watch in the US (at their 5th Avenue HQ) in a US made case Rolex were able to claim that more than 51% of the value of the watch was US production and so evade the high import duties of the time."

Prince · 29 May 2007, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jac67

He is one of my 14k Gold-Shell OP Date.

I believe Rolex used the terms gold-shell and gold-filled interchangeably.

On the bracelet it has stamped: 1/10-14KGF, but Rolex calls it Gold-Shell.

John.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RenoTommy

Ah, so Rolex does have some models which it labeled as "gold shell". Gee, I thought I was crazy because I swear I had seen that term before with Rolex. Those two terms, to wit: gold shell and gold filled, are interchangeable by the company but they are the same.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alcan

Although all current models are solid 18k gold, Rolex has made lots of gold filled watches in past years. Here are a few examples:

http://www.classicwristwatch.com/Rol...Top%201983.htm
"The 18K Yellow Gold filled case........."

http://www.girards.com/sell/page2.shtml
Scroll down to: 2-8 200398 - Rolex Prince Observatory Doctors Watch

This one is from the man himself, James Dowling:

http://www.ukwatches.com/Rolex1.html
Unusual Rolex Perpetual with US made GF case
"This watch has a US made gold filled case made so as to avoid high US import duties in the 1950s/1960s; although Rolex USA were still offering these watches as late as the early 1980s. The movements, dials & hands all arrived separately in the US, and by assembling the watch in the US (at their 5th Avenue HQ) in a US made case Rolex were able to claim that more than 51% of the value of the watch was US production and so evade the high import duties of the time."

I think we should all agree on the term Gold Filled, rather than Gold Shell, due to the conflicts with the process called Gold Shell that I outlined earlier in this thread. They seem to be mutually exclusive and can lead to much confusion. I'm sorry that Rolex decided to use that term, when gold filled would have worked just as well.

And have to agree, John. That's a great photo of a superb Rolex!

RT · 29 May 2007, 10:18 PM

Agreed! Whatever term we use is ok with me. This will make things less complicated.

DocD · 29 May 2007, 10:43 PM

To attempt to get on topic for a second. In one of Reno's posts, he asked if there was any watchmaker that may be able to repair his bubbleback. I can't recall (but I'm confident members of this forum will) the Rolex recognized "vintage" repair sites that have parts that are hard to obtain, etc. I know the two centers have been posted on this site many times but can't remember the addresses. I know one is in Chicago, so maybe someone can pass the info along to Reno. Thanks, and welcome to the forum Reno.

Now it's time to post a picture of that collection!

Prince · 29 May 2007, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocD

...Now it's time to post a picture of that collection!

Agreed! Come on, Tommy. We want to see your collection - or at least some of it!

RT · 30 May 2007, 12:38 AM

My collection is really nothing fancy. I don't even own a President (day/date). I do have several 2 tones Datejusts - with different color dial; a 2 tone GMTII; several European and Canadian models (Victory, Skyrocket); several Rolex pocket watches in 9K from Australia; a couple of Cellinis; several SS models, e.g. GMTII. They are all locked up in my safety deposit boxes in different locations so it is very difficult and inconvenient to take pictures of them. I NEVER leave anything that is valuable at home.

To my horror last week, I received a letter from the bank where a couple of safety deposit boxes were, I was advised that the bank had inadvertantly drilled open my boxes on February 27, 2007. And that letter was dated May 11, 2007. It took the bank almost 3 months to inform me of their error. Meanwhile, all the contents in both of my boxes were safeguarded in the bank vault. I rushed down to the bank and got really upset with the branch manager. I could understand the error of drilling open my boxes, afterall, we were only human, but why it took 3 months to notify me? That, to me is a total gross negligence. Foruntately, most of the contents were accounted for, save for a rare coin which I was NOT 100% sure if it was in those two particular boxes. To compensate for their mistake, the branch manager issued me two(2) $100 Visa gift cards. I was really considering to retain a lawyer to sue the bank, but since I did not suffer any significant losses, I didn't think I would get anything out of the lawsuit anyway. I eventually dropped that idea. Has this ever happened to any of you guys?

I can't wonder if the government (e.g. Homeland Security) was involved in this. I can see drilling open one box by mistake but two?

Alcan · 30 May 2007, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RenoTommy

I was really considering to retain a lawyer to sue the bank, but since I did not suffer any significant losses, I didn't think I would get anything out of the lawsuit anyway.

Wasn't baseball the U.S. national sport at one time?

President · 30 May 2007, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alcan

Wasn't baseball the U.S. national sport at one time?

It's not just the US.

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Alcan 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Al Location: Way Up North Watch: your P's & Q's Posts: 10,473	Although all current models are solid 18k gold, Rolex has made lots of gold filled watches in past years. Here are a few examples: http://www.classicwristwatch.com/Rol...Top%201983.htm "The 18K Yellow Gold filled case........." http://www.girards.com/sell/page2.shtml Scroll down to: 2-8 200398 - Rolex Prince Observatory Doctors Watch This one is from the man himself, James Dowling: http://www.ukwatches.com/Rolex1.html Unusual Rolex Perpetual with US made GF case "This watch has a US made gold filled case made so as to avoid high US import duties in the 1950s/1960s; although Rolex USA were still offering these watches as late as the early 1980s. The movements, dials & hands all arrived separately in the US, and by assembling the watch in the US (at their 5th Avenue HQ) in a US made case Rolex were able to claim that more than 51% of the value of the watch was US production and so evade the high import duties of the time." __________________ Member #1,315 I don't want to get technical, but according to chemistry alcohol IS a solution!

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29 May 2007, 05:34 AM	#31
RT Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 355	Thanks for your answer again, Prince. I will keep that information in my reference file.

29 May 2007, 08:56 AM	#40
mikey "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Watch: Oysterdate 6694 Posts: 2,713	Reno, I have the same issue. I get the blue wrist on gold plate and I get the black ring around my neck and wrist. Thats why I have to have all genuine gold or steel jewellry. If its a necklace or bracelet then it has to be whitegold for white metal.

29 May 2007, 09:04 AM	#41
RT Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 355	You guys are funny!!! I was on the eBay watch forum and boy, those guys were vicious. IT seemed they were there for the sole purpose of cutting each other down and to insult each other - NOT in a joking way either, rather than sticking to the topic. When a new member complained that he got "rip-off" on eBay by a scam, those sharks came right on top and practically told him he deserved it. I quit after seeing several of those nasty postings. I sure don't need that kind of negativities in my life. Surprisingly, the "boss" of that forum did not try to stop that kinda nonsense. It is refreshing to be at this forum where everybody seems to be friendly and in a good mood.

29 May 2007, 09:11 AM	#43
RT Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 355	Mikey: Actually, as I grow older, I am a little bit better on the acidy hand issue. When I was a teenager, I couldn't even wear a (solid) gold ring for a month, without having my acid "ate" through the gold and the whole ring would literally fall off from my finger. Now, as long as my jewelry is solid gold or steel, it will stay on me for years. Oh by the way, my name is Tommy. My dog's name is Reno and guess where we adopted him? Thanks for your input.

29 May 2007, 09:14 AM	#44
RT Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 355	JJ, you are the funniest one. I especially like those little faces with machine guns.....they are so cute! Thanks for being here!

29 May 2007, 12:34 PM	#46
RT Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 355	Well, I was just telling the truth.

29 May 2007, 06:00 PM	#49
jac67 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: John Location: Australia Watch: Me Posts: 1,950	He is one of my 14k Gold-Shell OP Date. I believe Rolex used the terms gold-shell and gold-filled interchangeably. On the bracelet it has stamped: 1/10-14KGF, but Rolex calls it Gold-Shell. John.

29 May 2007, 08:21 PM	#52
RT Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 355	Ah, so Rolex does have some models which it labeled as "gold shell". Gee, I thought I was crazy because I swear I had seen that term before with Rolex. Those two terms, to wit: gold shell and gold filled, are interchangeable by the company but they are the same.

29 May 2007, 10:18 PM	#55
RT Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 355	Agreed! Whatever term we use is ok with me. This will make things less complicated.

29 May 2007, 10:43 PM	#56
DocD "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Jersey Watch: Submariner date Posts: 298	To attempt to get on topic for a second. In one of Reno's posts, he asked if there was any watchmaker that may be able to repair his bubbleback. I can't recall (but I'm confident members of this forum will) the Rolex recognized "vintage" repair sites that have parts that are hard to obtain, etc. I know the two centers have been posted on this site many times but can't remember the addresses. I know one is in Chicago, so maybe someone can pass the info along to Reno. Thanks, and welcome to the forum Reno. Now it's time to post a picture of that collection!

30 May 2007, 12:38 AM	#58
RT Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 355	My collection is really nothing fancy. I don't even own a President (day/date). I do have several 2 tones Datejusts - with different color dial; a 2 tone GMTII; several European and Canadian models (Victory, Skyrocket); several Rolex pocket watches in 9K from Australia; a couple of Cellinis; several SS models, e.g. GMTII. They are all locked up in my safety deposit boxes in different locations so it is very difficult and inconvenient to take pictures of them. I NEVER leave anything that is valuable at home. To my horror last week, I received a letter from the bank where a couple of safety deposit boxes were, I was advised that the bank had inadvertantly drilled open my boxes on February 27, 2007. And that letter was dated May 11, 2007. It took the bank almost 3 months to inform me of their error. Meanwhile, all the contents in both of my boxes were safeguarded in the bank vault. I rushed down to the bank and got really upset with the branch manager. I could understand the error of drilling open my boxes, afterall, we were only human, but why it took 3 months to notify me? That, to me is a total gross negligence. Foruntately, most of the contents were accounted for, save for a rare coin which I was NOT 100% sure if it was in those two particular boxes. To compensate for their mistake, the branch manager issued me two(2) $100 Visa gift cards. I was really considering to retain a lawyer to sue the bank, but since I did not suffer any significant losses, I didn't think I would get anything out of the lawsuit anyway. I eventually dropped that idea. Has this ever happened to any of you guys? I can't wonder if the government (e.g. Homeland Security) was involved in this. I can see drilling open one box by mistake but two?

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