TT - Why are they unwanted on the secondary market?

[jwoff]

[QUOTE=gimpex;2510534]

Originally Posted by Bananas

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

QUOTE]

So what does it say if you wear SS - that you can't even afford half gold ???

Agreed!!!! I could never understand those types of comments

[KingJames]

Originally Posted by Bananas

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

And while I'm at it I think you can only pull off a full gold watch with gold bracelet if you are Tony Soprano or Elle Macpherson.

A gold watch with leather strap is hot though, not too over the top.

Stick with SS, it rules!

I couldnt disagree with your comments more....

[watchf]

Originally Posted by Bananas

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

Speaking of full gold I don't seem to see any full gold 36mm DJ here. Why did Rolex offer a full gold DJ line when the DD is the logical choice if people were to go for a full gold watch?

[slcbbrown]

Originally Posted by watchf

Speaking of full gold I don't seem to see any full gold 36mm DJ here. Why did Rolex offer a full gold DJ line when the DD is the logical choice if people were to go for a full gold watch?

I was never all that interested in a DD but picked up a 60's 14k DJ to wear on a strap. Nice watch and it has held up nicely.

[gwozhog]

Originally Posted by Bananas

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

And while I'm at it I think you can only pull off a full gold watch with gold bracelet if you are Tony Soprano or Elle Macpherson.

A gold watch with leather strap is hot though, not too over the top.

Stick with SS, it rules!

Funny you say that I always felt that way about the stainless version. By the way the 80's Kick AZZ.

[Art 1]

Originally Posted by Bananas

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

And while I'm at it I think you can only pull off a full gold watch with gold bracelet if you are Tony Soprano or Elle Macpherson.

A gold watch with leather strap is hot though, not too over the top.

Stick with SS, it rules!

Advertising that fact that you can't afford the full gold version? That's one of the most foolish statements that I have read on this forum. Do you now how many guys on this forum and guys that I know who wear TT and SS watches that could buy most any watch they wanted?

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by Art 1

Advertising that fact that you can't afford the full gold version? That's one of the most foolish statements that I have read on this forum. Do you now how many guys on this forum and guys that I know who wear TT and SS watches that could buy most any watch they wanted?

Sorry guys, that was a stupid thing to say.

Thought a bit of banter might be fun, but can see I just come across offensive.

I love this site, and thought it was about time to join in the debate, but backfired a bit.

[slcbbrown]

Originally Posted by Art 1

Advertising that fact that you can't afford the full gold version? That's one of the most foolish statements that I have read on this forum. Do you now how many guys on this forum and guys that I know who wear TT and SS watches that could buy most any watch they wanted?

I believe that "full gold" line came from a silly column in the online mag Ask Men. The writers (seem to be several) make strong, sometimes contradictory statements. I get the impression that it's a young guys kind of site.

[Kiwinz]

Originally Posted by Bananas

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

Mind You, apology accepted, but do You actually know what the 80's where like ?

[Hodog16]

Easy solution. Rolex should come out with SS/WG two-tones .

Actually the oldest person I know who wears a Rolex has a TT blue sub!

And I agree, the number of scratches that my wife gets on the gold portion of her bracelet is crazy compared to SS.

[Bigboss]

Originally Posted by Bananas

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version

IMHO TT looks great on women. I don't think it's a dated look.

I completely disagree with the statement above, so what to say about white gold?

[RolexPete32]

Originally Posted by Bananas

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

And while I'm at it I think you can only pull off a full gold watch with gold bracelet if you are Tony Soprano or Elle Macpherson.

A gold watch with leather strap is hot though, not too over the top.

Stick with SS, it rules!

My thoughts as well.

[Widows Son]

Originally Posted by Bananas

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

And while I'm at it I think you can only pull off a full gold watch with gold bracelet if you are Tony Soprano or Elle Macpherson.

A gold watch with leather strap is hot though, not too over the top.

Stick with SS, it rules!

Or when you buy SS, it advertises that you can't afford a TT!!!!!!!!

[Brushpup]

Originally Posted by Widows Son

Or when you buy SS, it advertises that you can't afford a TT!!!!!!!!

Or even more so with TT that you really wish for solid Gold, and don't have the cash.

[Widows Son]

Originally Posted by Brushpup

Or even more so with TT that you really wish for solid Gold, and don't have the cash.

Actually my "poke" was intended for the OP, not SS owners!!! I have many vintage gold watches, mostly Universal, Bulova, Hamilton, and Omega. The solid gold Rolexes are a little too blingy for me. If I had lots of cash, a nice Plat DD would be nice!!! PS, I have a nice vintage TT Date with PCL. That's about as blingy as my Puritanical upbringing will allow!!!!

[spuds]

Originally Posted by Bananas

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

And while I'm at it I think you can only pull off a full gold watch with gold bracelet if you are Tony Soprano or Elle Macpherson.

A gold watch with leather strap is hot though, not too over the top.

Stick with SS, it rules!

I've gotta admit the guy has a point.....


(Even though something in TT's firmly on my 50th birthday horizon.... )

[girltime]

Originally Posted by Bananas

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

And while I'm at it I think you can only pull off a full gold watch with gold bracelet if you are Tony Soprano or Elle Macpherson.

A gold watch with leather strap is hot though, not too over the top.

Stick with SS, it rules!

I totally disagree with you about TT, but I respect that's your opinion.

[Annan]

[QUOTE=The Joker;2510472]TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.


Or....Is it possible that wearing TT is advertising that you CAN afford better than the SS version?

[never2late]

Originally Posted by The Joker

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

And while I'm at it I think you can only pull off a full gold watch with gold bracelet if you are Tony Soprano or Elle Macpherson.

A gold watch with leather strap is hot though, not too over the top.

Stick with SS, it rules!

Oh, now I see why your forum name is The Joker.

I do however disagree with you about TT. Personally I love them and would choose a TT over SS anyday. Just my 2 cents.

[Jinder]

Originally Posted by The Joker

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold

Disagree completely. IMO I always found the SS/TT/all gold to be so different from each other. The contrast of the TT v all gold is so different...making them "different". IMO anyways

[Time2time]

Originally Posted by The Joker

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

And while I'm at it I think you can only pull off a full gold watch with gold bracelet if you are Tony Soprano or Elle Macpherson.

A gold watch with leather strap is hot though, not too over the top.

Stick with SS, it rules!

Unwanted? Really?
80's look? Really?

News to me. I know it's a personal opinion
but I think the TT looks better than the all gold!! IMHO of course.

[mjrennie]

Originally Posted by The Joker

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.
And while I'm at it I think you can only pull off a full gold watch with gold bracelet if you are Tony Soprano or Elle Macpherson.

A gold watch with leather strap is hot though, not too over the top.

Stick with SS, it rules!

I could not do a full YG Sub as it is a bit over-the-top, but I love gold. So a TT does the job. SS is very cool, but gold is...gold.

[Keeperoftime]

Originally Posted by The Joker

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

And while I'm at it I think you can only pull off a full gold watch with gold bracelet if you are Tony Soprano or Elle Macpherson.

A gold watch with leather strap is hot though, not too over the top.

Stick with SS, it rules!

I'm 26 and not Tony Soprano and wear YG DDs. I think you can pull it off if you have--moving on. TT in my opinion in the saving up for the president watch :)

[greg8125]

Originally Posted by The Joker

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

And while I'm at it I think you can only pull off a full gold watch with gold bracelet if you are Tony Soprano or Elle Macpherson.

A gold watch with leather strap is hot though, not too over the top.

Stick with SS, it rules!

I would say that 10 or 15 years ago TT was indeed a dated '80s look and SS was really cool. But guess what the SS look will probably become over the next 20 years? A very dated 1990's 2000's look! Particularly after SS reached probably 99.9% of the mens watch market.

I would say that the tide has actually already started to turn, with rosegold, tt, and blacked-out gaining share at the expense of what is now the oh so typical ss. I'm 34 and I used to think that TT was gaudy, but now I'm really starting to think they look great. Especially rosegold TT. I'm not about to start wearing a 100% yg tomorrow (all of my watches are actually ss or titanium) but the tide has definitely turned. It's a gradual change however. Look how long it took for SS to virtually phase out yg and TT in the mass market.

[Strut99GT]

Simple supply/demand. I'd be curious to see figures about TT sales vs. all-stainless vs. all-gold. My perception is TT watches have the greatest sales numbers, therefore the greatest availability pre-owned.

Additionally, the terminology "unwanted" is inaccurate. I believe what you are trying to convey is disproportionate % price drops relative to the stainless models. Mathematically the all-gold watches depreciate more in the second-hand market than TT. Additionally, I think there is an inverse depreciation curve for Rolex relative to the new price. i.e. we are essentially internet watch experts here - the VAST majority of Rolex owners aren't like us. The average person who can afford a Day-Date new isn't looking for a used one, so folks who are OK with used reap the benefit. The scale converges slightly for TT and merges for SS models; you can save a bit for SS pre-owned, but typically not much. The wear-tear commentary from earlier also plays a role.

[Scott95]

Originally Posted by The Joker

TT is a dated 80's look, and you are just advertising the fact that you can't afford the full gold version.

And while I'm at it I think you can only pull off a full gold watch with gold bracelet if you are Tony Soprano or Elle Macpherson.

A gold watch with leather strap is hot though, not too over the top.

Stick with SS, it rules!

Sorry to disagree but that's some pretty twisted logic saying it's an advertisement that one can't afford full gold. To extend that logic a bit further, one would have to say SS is an advertisement that one can barely afford a Rolex in the first place. Seems to me that there's a time for SS, TT, and Gold - depending on the situation.

Can anyone provide any proof that a SS watch will fetch more than TT? With gold at $1600/oz and SS at ~$10/lb. I'm pretty skeptical.

[chicfarmer1]

Originally Posted by Scott95

Can anyone provide any proof that a SS watch will fetch more than TT? With gold at $1600/oz and SS at ~$10/lb. I'm pretty skeptical.

I don't think that's the claim. It's about the degree or percentage of depreciation that each has in the secondary market. The precious metals depreciate relatively more.

[Scott95]

Originally Posted by chicfarmer1

I don't think that's the claim. It's about the degree or percentage of depreciation that each has in the secondary market. The precious metals depreciate relatively more.

I can see that might be the point and in my view it breaks down like this...

The TT price point is substantially higher than the SS entry level price point. It's actually much higher than the gold content alone would justify. Why? Because they can get it that's why! (Proof there is demand when new)

That said, why does a TT lose more of it's original value to depreciation than SS? I think it's PARTLY because people willing to spend that much extra money on a watch have a lot of disposable income and prefer to buy new. I don't think there are as many people in the market for a used watch at the higher prices (because they tend to have the discretionary income to go whole hog for new) which means lower demand which pushes the price down more.

Same reason a luxury car tends to depreciate more (as a % of initial price) than an economy car. At the high price points, people want new. People who shop used are generally looking for a bargain! (IMO)

[snaggle]

Originally Posted by Scott95

I can see that might be the point and in my view it breaks down like this...

The TT price point is substantially higher than the SS entry level price point. It's actually much higher than the gold content alone would justify. Why? Because they can get it that's why! (Proof there is demand when new)

That said, why does a TT lose more of it's original value to depreciation than SS? I think it's PARTLY because people willing to spend that much extra money on a watch have a lot of disposable income and prefer to buy new. I don't think there are as many people in the market for a used watch at the higher prices (because they tend to have the discretionary income to go whole hog for new) which means lower demand which pushes the price down more.

Same reason a luxury car tends to depreciate more (as a % of initial price) than an economy car. At the high price points, people want new. People who shop used are generally looking for a bargain! (IMO)

x2 on that, and in addition to that, one must also consider that even when looking brand new, SS has a much higher demand than TT obviously. So when the TT's go into the second hand market, the demand for that drops even more.

[rr-nyc]

Originally Posted by Scott95

Can anyone provide any proof that a SS watch will fetch more than TT? With gold at $1600/oz and SS at ~$10/lb. I'm pretty skeptical.

Look at prices of SS Daytona vs TT Daytona