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rolexmonsters · 11 August 2011, 02:11 PM

*looks fake

williammm91 · 11 August 2011, 11:24 PM

bump

T-Rip · 12 August 2011, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by williammm91

bump

why are you bumping this..its a FAKE watch...

williammm91 · 12 August 2011, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexmonsters

looks face, the stamp on the back of the band looks off and the endpieces are off too. the watch has a holes case and it has no holes case endpieces. i would say FAKE

What do you mean by the stamp on the back of the band and the holes end pieces?

conrail · 12 August 2011, 03:53 AM

Guys, lets back up here a minute, and take this step by step. I've done 3-4 minutes of forum and Google research and came up with the following (kindly correct me if I'm wrong):

- GMT-Master II's did come with lugholes (Y serials, for example)

- Such GMTs were offered with SEL bracelets, the 78790A being one of them. And certainly, even if they didn't come with SEL bracelets, you could fit one to it. I've seen a number of SEL bracelets for sale that fit GMT-IIs.

Now, regarding this guy's particular watch. I'm by no means taking sides here, and have seen a lot of people come into the forum in the past year pushing fake/dodgy/questionable watches and asking TONS of really simple questions that make it seem like a fake-builder is fishing for input on how to improve his designs.

Can anyone point to anything specifically wrong with this watch? At worst it sounds like its a mix of parts, at best, a perfectly normal, lugholed, SEL-bracelet, GMTII. Anything amiss with the dial? I don't see any issues. "SWISS MADE" is supposed to fit within 5 minute hash marks, and does. These are not maxi dials yet.

William, take it to a Rolex shop and have them authenticate it. BTW, the youtube video you posted is useless. Also the questions you're asking ring of the air of what I'm talking about above. You've got this watch yet have no clue what endlinks are, the stamping on the band, holed-end pieces....

robertneville · 12 August 2011, 04:05 AM

it would be nice to take the band off and see the case stamping as well.

williammm91 · 12 August 2011, 04:27 AM

I will do it when i get home Greg; I'm at work atm.
Conrail, I appreciate you taking the time to research. I should have done so myself haha.
Lastly, I am, by no means a fake builder of any sort. Just got this nice watch and want some expert opinion! :)

watcher54 · 12 August 2011, 04:41 AM

I've handled my share of genuine and aftermarket links for Rolex bracelets. If you look closely at the photo which shows the last two links of the bracelet on one side, my money is on the links being aftermarket or fake. Rarely will you find a genuine Rolex link with the screw looking sloppy on the end when fully screwed in. Most of you are now checking your link screws with those in the photo. Who knows, maybe the links are genuine, but the screws are aftermarket or vice versa.

williammm91 · 12 August 2011, 04:53 AM

Well it was pawned so it was a used watch and the previous owner must have lost a screw and replaced it. Three of the screws close to the links go in perfectly, but there is one that is very difficult to screw in and you could be right about that.

juventus · 12 August 2011, 07:34 AM

I hope it's fake.

toph · 12 August 2011, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexmonsters

looks face, the stamp on the back of the band looks off and the endpieces are off too. the watch has a holes case and it has no holes case endpieces. i would say FAKE

correct that was my first thought BUt coudl be a newer WRONG but real rolex bracelet?

toph · 12 August 2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by conrail

Guys, lets back up here a minute, and take this step by step. I've done 3-4 minutes of forum and Google research and came up with the following (kindly correct me if I'm wrong):

- GMT-Master II's did come with lugholes (Y serials, for example)

- Such GMTs were offered with SEL bracelets, the 78790A being one of them. And certainly, even if they didn't come with SEL bracelets, you could fit one to it. I've seen a number of SEL bracelets for sale that fit GMT-IIs.

Now, regarding this guy's particular watch. I'm by no means taking sides here, and have seen a lot of people come into the forum in the past year pushing fake/dodgy/questionable watches and asking TONS of really simple questions that make it seem like a fake-builder is fishing for input on how to improve his designs.

Can anyone point to anything specifically wrong with this watch? At worst it sounds like its a mix of parts, at best, a perfectly normal, lugholed, SEL-bracelet, GMTII. Anything amiss with the dial? I don't see any issues. "SWISS MADE" is supposed to fit within 5 minute hash marks, and does. These are not maxi dials yet.

William, take it to a Rolex shop and have them authenticate it. BTW, the youtube video you posted is useless. Also the questions you're asking ring of the air of what I'm talking about above. You've got this watch yet have no clue what endlinks are, the stamping on the band, holed-end pieces....

mrbill2mrbill2 · 12 August 2011, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conrail

Guys, lets back up here a minute, and take this step by step. I've done 3-4 minutes of forum and Google research and came up with the following (kindly correct me if I'm wrong):

- GMT-Master II's did come with lugholes (Y serials, for example)

- Such GMTs were offered with SEL bracelets, the 78790A being one of them. And certainly, even if they didn't come with SEL bracelets, you could fit one to it. I've seen a number of SEL bracelets for sale that fit GMT-IIs.

Now, regarding this guy's particular watch. I'm by no means taking sides here, and have seen a lot of people come into the forum in the past year pushing fake/dodgy/questionable watches and asking TONS of really simple questions that make it seem like a fake-builder is fishing for input on how to improve his designs.

Can anyone point to anything specifically wrong with this watch? At worst it sounds like its a mix of parts, at best, a perfectly normal, lugholed, SEL-bracelet, GMTII. Anything amiss with the dial? I don't see any issues. "SWISS MADE" is supposed to fit within 5 minute hash marks, and does. These are not maxi dials yet.

William, take it to a Rolex shop and have them authenticate it. BTW, the youtube video you posted is useless. Also the questions you're asking ring of the air of what I'm talking about above. You've got this watch yet have no clue what endlinks are, the stamping on the band, holed-end pieces....

All the GMT Masters I have seen ave a 3 tick dial not a 5 tick dial. From what I've seen only the LV Sub has a 5 tick. Not the maxi dial as I stated in a previous post.

I still think this watch is a fake.

williammm91 · 12 August 2011, 01:33 PM

It is genuine. Got it authenticated. Thanks for your help everyone!!! esp mrbill2mrbill2!!!!!

Kevin B · 12 August 2011, 01:41 PM

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It is genuine. Got it authenticated. Thanks for your help everyone!!! esp mrbill2mrbill2!!!!!

That was quick

williammm91 · 12 August 2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin B

That was quick

!!!!

mrbill2mrbill2 · 12 August 2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by williammm91

It is genuine. Got it authenticated. Thanks for your help everyone!!! esp mrbill2mrbill2!!!!!

Since you have been such a stand up person, please post the authentification.

williammm91 · 12 August 2011, 01:59 PM

Went to a dealership asked if it was real. They looked at it for 20 seconds top and said it was :) No fee at all! tee hee

mrbill2mrbill2 · 12 August 2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by williammm91

Went to a dealership asked if it was real. They looked at it for 20 seconds top and said it was :) No fee at all! tee hee

Wow!! I am convinced.

An AD confirmed it was authentic in 20 seconds.

You are pathetic!

BOA · 12 August 2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by conrail

... Have seen a lot of people come into the forum in the past year pushing fake/dodgy/questionable watches and asking tons of really simple questions that make it seem like a fake-builder is fishing for input on how to improve his designs.

Amen.

Ticking Away · 12 August 2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbill2mrbill2

All the GMT Masters I have seen ave a 3 tick dial not a 5 tick dial. From what I've seen only the LV Sub has a 5 tick. Not the maxi dial as I stated in a previous post.

I still think this watch is a fake.

Not suppoting the authentication of this particular watch, GMTs do also have 5 tick. There are some pretty good examples in TRF sales forum. Plus I'm also looking at one on my wrist.

But back to the issue at hand. Did the dealer inspect the movement, validate serial numbers or comment about the wonky screw? It just seems a little too good to be true that they would take one look and bless it right away. I'm asking because when I took mine in to have it authenticated, they did a number of things: confirmed SN/Model between the lugs and valided the configuration (dial/bezel etc based on the date of mfg), checked the clasp code, visually inspected the movement and even confirmed the crystal etching.

It's cool that there was no fee but it doesn't sound like they did much to earn one. (IMO)

mrbill2mrbill2 · 12 August 2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ticking Away

Not suppoting the authentication of this particular watch, GMTs do also have 5 tick. There are some pretty good examples in TRF sales forum. Plus I'm also looking at one on my wrist.

But back to the issue at hand. Did the dealer inspect the movement, validate serial numbers or comment about the wonky screw? It just seems a little too good to be true that they would take one look and bless it right away. I'm asking because when I took mine in to have it authenticated, they did a number of things: confirmed SN/Model between the lugs and valided the configuration (dial/bezel etc based on the date of mfg), checked the clasp code, visually inspected the movement and even confirmed the crystal etching.

It's cool that there was no fee but it doesn't sound like they did much to earn one. (IMO)

If you say there are 5 tick GMTs including yours I stand corrected.

Not to be rude, but can I see a pic?

Not that I doubt you. I want to educate myself.

mcjp6 · 12 August 2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbill2mrbill2

can I see a pic?

Here is one courtersy of the VRF dial archives.......

Ticking Away · 12 August 2011, 03:26 PM

That's cool mrbill. Here's mine. Actually took the pic yesterday (iphone) when comparing w/ the OP images.

juventus · 12 August 2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by williammm91

Went to a dealership asked if it was real. They looked at it for 20 seconds top and said it was :) No fee at all! tee hee

20 second authentication? It takes more than 20 seconds to take both end links off and look at the serial & model #. But what do I know, my AD and my watchmaker are just probably slow.

Anyway, I still hope it's fake.

mrbill2mrbill2 · 12 August 2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mcjp6

Here is one courtersy of the VRF dial archives.......

Thanks.

I was wrong!!

Learning more everyday.

mrbill2mrbill2 · 12 August 2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ticking Away

That's cool mrbill. Here's mine. Actually took the pic yesterday (iphone) when comparing w/ the OP images.

Thanks!

I was wrong!!

Learning more everyday.

Ticking Away · 12 August 2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbill2mrbill2

Thanks!

I was wrong!!

We're good. Just glad that you didn't respond and tell me mine was a fake.

toph · 12 August 2011, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbill2mrbill2

Thanks!

I was wrong!!

Learning more everyday.

the amount of times that i find out about an extra dial, print etc variation is just amazing

BOA · 12 August 2011, 04:01 PM

I'll go with Bill over williamm all day long...

12 August 2011, 03:53 AM	#35
conrail "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Boston Posts: 3,177	Guys, lets back up here a minute, and take this step by step. I've done 3-4 minutes of forum and Google research and came up with the following (kindly correct me if I'm wrong): - GMT-Master II's did come with lugholes (Y serials, for example) - Such GMTs were offered with SEL bracelets, the 78790A being one of them. And certainly, even if they didn't come with SEL bracelets, you could fit one to it. I've seen a number of SEL bracelets for sale that fit GMT-IIs. Now, regarding this guy's particular watch. I'm by no means taking sides here, and have seen a lot of people come into the forum in the past year pushing fake/dodgy/questionable watches and asking TONS of really simple questions that make it seem like a fake-builder is fishing for input on how to improve his designs. Can anyone point to anything specifically wrong with this watch? At worst it sounds like its a mix of parts, at best, a perfectly normal, lugholed, SEL-bracelet, GMTII. Anything amiss with the dial? I don't see any issues. "SWISS MADE" is supposed to fit within 5 minute hash marks, and does. These are not maxi dials yet. William, take it to a Rolex shop and have them authenticate it. BTW, the youtube video you posted is useless. Also the questions you're asking ring of the air of what I'm talking about above. You've got this watch yet have no clue what endlinks are, the stamping on the band, holed-end pieces.... __________________ "Oh, you give a f****' aspirin a headache, pal!"

12 August 2011, 04:05 AM	#36
robertneville "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: PA Watch: me burn Posts: 1,435	it would be nice to take the band off and see the case stamping as well. __________________ Motocross is life!

12 August 2011, 04:41 AM	#38
watcher54 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Bill Location: Oklahoma City Watch: SS GMT IIC Posts: 55	Look at the bracelet links in photo I've handled my share of genuine and aftermarket links for Rolex bracelets. If you look closely at the photo which shows the last two links of the bracelet on one side, my money is on the links being aftermarket or fake. Rarely will you find a genuine Rolex link with the screw looking sloppy on the end when fully screwed in. Most of you are now checking your link screws with those in the photo. Who knows, maybe the links are genuine, but the screws are aftermarket or vice versa.

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11 August 2011, 02:11 PM	#31
rolexmonsters Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Jordan Location: MA Watch: 116505ROSE daytona Posts: 28	*looks fake

11 August 2011, 11:24 PM	#32
williammm91 Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: William Location: New York Watch: GMT Master II Posts: 35	bump

12 August 2011, 04:27 AM	#37
williammm91 Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: William Location: New York Watch: GMT Master II Posts: 35	I will do it when i get home Greg; I'm at work atm. Conrail, I appreciate you taking the time to research. I should have done so myself haha. Lastly, I am, by no means a fake builder of any sort. Just got this nice watch and want some expert opinion! :)

12 August 2011, 04:53 AM	#39
williammm91 Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: William Location: New York Watch: GMT Master II Posts: 35	Well it was pawned so it was a used watch and the previous owner must have lost a screw and replaced it. Three of the screws close to the links go in perfectly, but there is one that is very difficult to screw in and you could be right about that.

12 August 2011, 07:34 AM	#40
juventus "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 13	I hope it's fake.

12 August 2011, 01:33 PM	#44
williammm91 Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: William Location: New York Watch: GMT Master II Posts: 35	It is genuine. Got it authenticated. Thanks for your help everyone!!! esp mrbill2mrbill2!!!!!

12 August 2011, 01:59 PM	#48
williammm91 Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: William Location: New York Watch: GMT Master II Posts: 35	Went to a dealership asked if it was real. They looked at it for 20 seconds top and said it was :) No fee at all! tee hee

12 August 2011, 03:26 PM	#54
Ticking Away "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 272	That's cool mrbill. Here's mine. Actually took the pic yesterday (iphone) when comparing w/ the OP images.

12 August 2011, 04:01 PM	#60
BOA "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Bruce Location: Chicago, IL Watch: Meteorite DD Posts: 2,410	I'll go with Bill over williamm all day long...

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