New Tudor MSRP

[SohAIS]

i meant 3950 canadian. I have seen the Pelagos listed here on the forum for $5500

[swiss ghost]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

Don't forget IWC. They use the standard ETA models on their basic watches, and highly modified 7750's in a few watches (the very expensive double chrono for instance).

I don't think that ~3200 is too expensive for an ETA Tudor when a Sub is ~8500. Sure the Sub has an in-house movement, but it's not as if it's a rare or advanced movement with amazing finishing (it's not).

IWC uses the top eta 'chronometer grade' NOT standard grade and has changes made to it exclusively for IWC. IWC has their own specs that exceed COSC, they want their watches to run even to + 6 only, IWC doesent accept slow timing like COSC. IWC used to modify the ETA themselves but now with the current situation ETA does it for them at IWCs specs. an IWC ETA 2892 is about as good as it gets for an ETA

[swiss ghost]

Originally Posted by sohail

i meant 3950 canadian. I have seen the Pelagos listed here on the forum for $5500

thats insane. why marked up so much? they wont be hard to find outside of the USA

only a sucker would pay 5500 for a pelagos. period.

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by swiss ghost

IWC uses the top eta 'chronometer grade' NOT standard grade and has changes made to it exclusively for IWC. IWC has their own specs that exceed COSC, they want their watches to run even to + 6 only, IWC doesent accept slow timing like COSC. IWC used to modify the ETA themselves but now with the current situation ETA does it for them at IWCs specs. an IWC ETA 2892 is about as good as it gets for an ETA

I know. I'm wearing my IWC Ref. 3536 (with IWC modified ETA movement). I love this watch. Its movement is rock solid, just like my Rolex GMT2.

However, I'm not sure that it has ever been shown (beyond doubt) that the current "IWC spec" ETA movements are actually supplied only to IWC. There has been a ton of debate about it on the IWC collector forum. Ultimately though, a watch is more than a movement.

[swiss ghost]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

I know. I'm wearing my IWC Ref. 3536 (with IWC modified ETA movement). I love this watch. Its movement is rock solid, just like my Rolex GMT2.

However, I'm not sure that it has ever been shown (beyond doubt) that the current "IWC spec" ETA movements are actually supplied only to IWC. There has been a ton of debate about it on the IWC collector forum. Ultimately though, a watch is more than a movement.

absolutely it has been shown. its on IWCs website. go to aqautimer 2000 and click 'comments' beneath and IWC states this: here it is:



IWC SCHAFFHAUSEN
6 months, 2 weeks ago
Dear DS75,
IWC Schaffhausen has four of its own caliber families featuring IWC-manufactured movements at its disposal. In addition to the existing automatic and hand-wound calibers, IWC launched its first in-house chronograph movement in 2007. The range of products from IWC is clearly segmented and runs from sports to classic watches. IWC-manufactured calibers are mainly used to power watch models in the higher segments.

High-quality ETA movements are used for the entry-level segment. Ever since ETA’s strategic medium-term decision to discontinue the supply of ébauches (i.e. movement kits) and to make only fully assembled movements, we have been in a period of transition. As a result, since 2007, we have been using ETA’s fully assembled movements, manufactured to our standards and specifications, as well as our own calibers, assembled in our workshops and based on the Valjoux 7750 ébauche. The number of ébauches supplied has been decreasing steadily since then, and deliveries were ceased altogether at the beginning of 2011. From now on, ETA will supply us only with fully assembled movements. However, since ETA has already integrated all the modifications required by IWC into its production processes, these complete movements also feature all the latest developments and comply with IWC’s high quality standards. Regardless of whether the ébauche is assembled by IWC or ETA supplies a fully assembled movement, every single one of them is subjected to IWC’s comprehensive and exacting testing procedures.

We regard an IWC watch as an all-round work of art. Together with the movement, the form and the design, selected exclusive materials and outstanding ease of use combine to ensure that our timepieces represent a precision product of the highest quality across all price categories.

With best wishes from Schaffhausen

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by swiss ghost

absolutely it has been shown. its on IWCs website. go to aqautimer 2000 and click 'comments' beneath and IWC states this: here it is:



IWC SCHAFFHAUSEN
6 months, 2 weeks ago
Dear DS75,
IWC Schaffhausen has four of its own caliber families featuring IWC-manufactured movements at its disposal. In addition to the existing automatic and hand-wound calibers, IWC launched its first in-house chronograph movement in 2007. The range of products from IWC is clearly segmented and runs from sports to classic watches. IWC-manufactured calibers are mainly used to power watch models in the higher segments.

High-quality ETA movements are used for the entry-level segment. Ever since ETA’s strategic medium-term decision to discontinue the supply of ébauches (i.e. movement kits) and to make only fully assembled movements, we have been in a period of transition. As a result, since 2007, we have been using ETA’s fully assembled movements, manufactured to our standards and specifications, as well as our own calibers, assembled in our workshops and based on the Valjoux 7750 ébauche. The number of ébauches supplied has been decreasing steadily since then, and deliveries were ceased altogether at the beginning of 2011. From now on, ETA will supply us only with fully assembled movements. However, since ETA has already integrated all the modifications required by IWC into its production processes, these complete movements also feature all the latest developments and comply with IWC’s high quality standards. Regardless of whether the ébauche is assembled by IWC or ETA supplies a fully assembled movement, every single one of them is subjected to IWC’s comprehensive and exacting testing procedures.

We regard an IWC watch as an all-round work of art. Together with the movement, the form and the design, selected exclusive materials and outstanding ease of use combine to ensure that our timepieces represent a precision product of the highest quality across all price categories.

With best wishes from Schaffhausen

But are they exclusive to IWC? That's the question that your quote, unless I'm not seeing it, (and everything else) doesn't make clear.

[10:10:31 28]

Originally Posted by swiss ghost

thats insane. why marked up so much? they wont be hard to find outside of the USA

That's because the majority of people on this forum live in the USA where Rolex in it's infinite wisdom (sarcasm) decided not to offer the Tudor line. Unless they are already planning on taking a trip they have to pay a premium to get one from someone on their behalf. It seems clear now however that the Black Bay and Pelagos are not such a rare commodity and asking prices have been declining, albeit slowly.

[SohAIS]

do you guys think that in a year Pelagos and black bay will be available for 25-30% off the msrp in pre-owned condition which brings the price to $2900 for Pelagos and $3150 for the Black bay

[handsfull]

Just spoke to a dealer in canada who would ship the BB to me for their asking price...$3250.00 (yes, with bracelet)....2 month wait.

[swiss ghost]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

But are they exclusive to IWC? That's the question that your quote, unless I'm not seeing it, (and everything else) doesn't make clear.

yes. IWCs modifications done to the ETA in the past by IWC themselves are the exact same modifications being done to the ETA now. only difference is ETA does it for them.

breitling doesent use the 2892...omega uses a 2892 co ax.....tudors are 2824s....who else is running the 2892 in the IWC 'brand range'(sport models only). anyone?? IWCs specs are IWCS specs built specifiaclly to IWC standards. thats enough for me.

the quote says " manufactured to OUR(IWC) standards and OUR(IWC) specifications "

[SohAIS]

wow thats pretty cheap compared to what other sellers are selling on the forum. I have seen them asking any where from $4250 to $4500

[swiss ghost]

apologies for the thread hijacking

[handsfull]

Originally Posted by sohail

wow thats pretty cheap compared to what other sellers are selling on the forum. I have seen them asking any where from $4250 to $4500

It's all about what people are willing to pay. Personally, there isn't a chance of me shelling out anything near retail - much less ABOVE retail

[Canadianjam2]

Pretty sure the THC uses a 2892

[DaveInLA]

Originally Posted by Canadianjam2

Pretty sure the THC uses a 2892

I believe it's the 2894, which is the 2892 with the DD chrono module.

Mine is -2 sec/day so far.

[Megalobyte]

Originally Posted by handsfull

It's all about what people are willing to pay. Personally, there isn't a chance of me shelling out anything near retail - much less ABOVE retail

I'd guess in a year a lnib BB could be had for slightly under 3k, maybe 2750. I don't think that's a bad value. A lnib Pelagos for 3 would be a good value too.

But it's not hard to fathom, not that many get to the states, and there's a lot of demand as its new, different, and very cool, people like and want them at the moment.

[Canadianjam2]

Originally Posted by DaveInLA

I believe it's the 2894, which is the 2892 with the DD chrono module.

Mine is -2 sec/day so far.

Mine is also running a few seconds slow, but chronometer specs as well!

[fastfras]

Originally Posted by handsfull

Just spoke to a dealer in canada who would ship the BB to me for their asking price...$3250.00 (yes, with bracelet)....2 month wait.

3150.00 CAD plus 12% sales tax for a blue bezel, same for a red, they are waiting for a shipment of Blue BB's. Dropping off my deposit tomorrow, yippee!

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by fastfras

3150.00 CAD plus 12% sales tax for a blue bezel, same for a red, they are waiting for a shipment of Blue BB's. Dropping off my deposit tomorrow, yippee!

You realise this thread is more than two years old, right?

[bbressler]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

You realise this thread is more than two years old, right?

Not sure why this was dug up from two years ago, but might as well chip in with 2014 info. I tried on the Pelagos and Blue Bay at a Honolulu AD last week, and think they were $4125 and $3425, respectively. FWIW loved the Pelagos, thought the Black Bay was a little too thick. Had it been in a sub case with tapered Oyster bracelet might have picked it up.

[lsettle]

Picked up a brand new Tudor Blue Black Bay for $3750.00 back in July, in Canada.

Cheers,

Lawrence