FS: 16610 Rolex Submariner date -WARNING-

[Rockrolex]

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[Kingair]

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[winster]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Thanks for the info. I don't understand why he made two 'sold' posts, though. A mistake?

I am quite certain its done deliberately. Probably to give the buyer some sense of security that the watch is sold. The second "sold" post has a change in subject hence provides more clarity to a potential interested parties. That's all I can think of honestly. This is very much his way of going about a scam. Always very approachable and seemingly trustworthy. Even when the watch does not arrive after a myriad of coincidences due to shipping mistakes or human errors at the shipping office etc he is quite calm and behaves exactly how a genuine buyer would behave. Even to the point after when all efforts to ship the watch had failed he offers to pay back the money via wire. A wire that never happened. In short its all talk but no action.

Sadly I know this guys phsycy all too well albeit it came at a hefty price.

[Old Expat Beast]

Sounds like you're on a mission. Sorry to hear of your troubles, and good luck to you.

[Johny]

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[winster]

Hopefully am not using too much bandwidth by replying too often on this thread.
Just got a message from a member here who has been waiting for his submariner since a month now.

I was wondering if I am allowed by the mods to to prepare a thread which outlines his modus operandi and details of his fake identity and what to look for in case another of his posts appears. if agreeable I will be most happy to prepare a draft to start with.

The same could be relayed on other fora.
It appears he is sort of exposed on WUS, where Ernei has been extremely swift to delete/ban his post as soon as they have been reported. Same at TZ where the each time his post was exposed it was removed. This is probably why he is now even willing to pay a fee here to become a pledge member to post a thread.

If anyone has any thoughts or better idea or concerns please do share.

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Sounds like you're on a mission. Sorry to hear of your troubles, and good luck to you.

There is no such thing as cheap gold. It would be a lot easier if people(includes myself) understood this.

[bayerische]

So where was this scum located in real life?

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by winster

Hopefully am not using too much bandwidth by replying too often on this thread.
Just got a message from a member here who has been waiting for his submariner since a month now.

I was wondering if I am allowed by the mods to to prepare a thread which outlines his modus operandi and details of his fake identity and what to look for in case another of his posts appears. if agreeable I will be most happy to prepare a draft to start with.

The same could be relayed on other fora.
It appears he is sort of exposed on WUS, where Ernei has been extremely swift to delete/ban his post as soon as they have been reported. Same at TZ where the each time his post was exposed it was removed. This is probably why he is now even willing to pay a fee here to become a pledge member to post a thread.

If anyone has any thoughts or better idea or concerns please do share.



There is no such thing as cheap gold. It would be a lot easier if people(includes myself) understood this.

Don't worry about bandwidth, that gets taken up hourly with far more frivolous posts. I am sure many would be interested to read what you have to say.

[cgl86]

Originally Posted by bayerische

So where was this scum located in real life?

I recently contacted him on a advertisement on TURF. I'm from the Netherlands too so a face to face deal would have worked.

In first case he contacted me directly, give me his phonenumber etc. He told me he worked for Siemens and looked like a nice guy. In first case I told him I could make a bankwire to his bank because it would be visible thesame moment, but a doubt kept me away and we made a appointment halfway.

Offcourse the appointment was cancelled from his side. No contact was possible for weeks. Even over the phone. Excuses of family matters etc.

Then I saw this watch on TURF. I contacted him directly, he called me anonymous (offcourse). We had a chat etc. I said I wanted to buy his Submariner but surprise surprise he moved to Austria so a face to face deal was not possible.

I told him I wanted to buy but he could send me the watch first and then I make the wire after recieving the watch. I told him he has my business address from my email, my Linkedin account etc. etc. and because he didn't got the best motivation during the last possible deal..

Offcourse he didn't agree so he proposed me a 50/50 wire deal and send me his driving license of a man mid 50's and a bill of his mobile phone provider and a picture of the watch again with a note with my name on it with the date. Probably he knew what was coming. On the phone the guy had a voice of max mid 30's but anyway I let him go.

Sorry to hear for the rest of the guys.

[Johny]

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[winster]

Seimens, thats where he told me worked at. Your experience is exactly the same as mine, except that I went ahead with the wire.
Below if the identity card given to me.

>>> THIS IS NOT THE SCAMMER HIMSELF, BUT A STOLEN ID<<<

Mods please remove this is not approved my act of posting this ID.

[Oakley]

Unfortunately, I have also make a bankwire to his bank in Holland. However I think he livings in Germany.

I am sure he has the watch since he was able to send pictures immediately with the things you require. Also I have talked with him on the phone. My experience is similar like Winster, he reply mails rapidly but there is always a new excuse why he can not send the watch.

A person like that destroys the good spirit that normally is among watch forum.

[cgl86]

I recieved exactly thesame ID... Phonecalls were very kind but in the first deal he probably took off because I offered him to come by in Enschede where he lived. Weeks after ''personal'' problems he shows up living in Austria.. well at that point it didn't triggered me to make the wire.

Sadly a bank cannot and will not give the personal data from his account.

@Oakley could you send me a PM? Maybe I can help you with a police report to the dutch police with his IBAN en BIC account information. Maybe it will help.

[The Libertine]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

This sale is one where the buyer should exercise extreme caution and contact me before doing anything.

I do now know who the buyer is but do not proceed without speaking to me first.

Great job to the moderators for keeping an eye out for the community.

Thank you.

[Welshwatchman]

Unfortunately, such a great "deal" was too much temptation for at least one member.

It's great for society that there are such warm-natured and trusting individuals around but it only takes the fewest of scumbags to exploit the trust of others.

If it turns out that the FSoT section reduces to a crawl due to a dramatic increase in due diligence and double double checking then so be it.

[SohAIS]

Sad

[supernova]

I work in online fraud and looking at that ID straightaway can see that it is fake and photoshopped. No government ID will let you tilt your head in the picture like that and should have been a warning in the first place. Anyways, I really hope you guys get your funds sorted although I feel there is not much to be done now.

[Zoran]

Wow...A shocking story
So sad to hear about these things happening and even worse that it seems they can get away with it!

Best of luck to all involved...

[socalwatchcollector]

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