Kayci Hickox, please go away! Literally.

[bondtoys]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

Are you saying that ebola-infected people will not be traveling to Europe in the future? Oh wait, they already have. (The dark squares are patients who have died.)

Don't put words in my mouth and read what I have previosly posted - particularly my first post un this thread.

Ebola risk is the same in the US and Europe and it's serious stuff.
But the degree of hysteria about ebola is only in the US.

[joeychitwood]

Originally Posted by bondtoys

Don't put words in my mouth and read what I have previosly posted - particularly my first post un this thread. Ebola risk is the same in the US and Europe and it's serious stuff. But the degree of hysteria about ebola is only in the US.

That isn't what we're reading and hearing.

From the USA Today:
Ebola fears spark claims of racism in Europe

From the New York Times:
In Europe, Fear of Ebola Exceeds the Actual Risks

From CNN:
Ebola fears slam European travel stocks

From Al Jazeera:
EU steps up screening as Ebola fear spreads

[Kingair]

She should know better and show what people should do !

Not like this . . . the complete opposite and being stubborn . . :-(

[Rzani]

Originally Posted by bondtoys

Don't put words in my mouth and read what I have previosly posted - particularly my first post un this thread.

Ebola risk is the same in the US and Europe and it's serious stuff.
But the degree of hysteria about ebola is only in the US.

Sorry, but that's simply not true. Italy seems to be very upset...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...bor-Quarantine

[CDNWatchNut]

Thinking about this further, the issue is potentially much larger than this individual, who insists on her assumed rights above the greater good. By setting the example of being defiant, she encourages others who may also be infected but believe they're not, to also ignore requests from the authorities in charge. What happens if the virus starts to take hold and people start to feel that they are free to insist their rights trump the greater good of all?

[Rondineli]

Originally Posted by bondtoys

.... do you guys realize that the ebola fear (particularly re. homecoming docs and nurses) is solely a US thing?

Do you realize that two nurses got ebola virus treating a patient that was vomiting in a parking lot in Dallas?

[RHIII]

Educated ignorance and COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS.

[Headshrinker]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

The nurse in Maine who apparently knows more about Ebola than the NIH, CDC, U.S. military and other public health agencies continues to disregard the concerns of the U.S. population and arrogantly refuses to isolate herself for a relatively brief period of time, thus reducing the chance of the disease spreading to those near her to zero instead of low but still possible. In the meantime, she joyfully rants about her human rights being trampled, basks in the glow of camera flashes and lights and excitedly anticipates suing someone or everyone with the help of glad-handing attorneys who make threat on TV news.

She is exhibiting the same disregard for the human population as the anti-vaccine crowd when they refuse to immunize based on false beliefs and misinformation in the name of "personal rights." Herd immunity cannot develop without the cooperation of the masses. Polio and smallpox would still be rampant today if current anti-vaccine sentiment had prevailed decades ago. Thanks to personal freedom, pertussis is making a roaring comeback.

I frankly don't think that there are any measures that will stop the spread of ebola worldwide. But the idea that this one person (who calls herself and epidemiologist) refuses to cooperate with authorities scrambling to respond to the threat is repugnant. Her narcissism, arrogance and self-centeredness are frustrating. It's all about her, neighbors and social contacts be damned.

I agree 100%. She could have been a role model as a professional, but as you stated, her arrogance got in the way.

[locutus49]

This is a sore spot with me. How can freak'n health care workers WHO KNOWS THEY ARE WORKING WITH A HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS DISEASE gallivant around town having maximum contact with innocent civilians. That doctor really fried my butt, as well.

These people, who are doing heroic work, need to spend some time in an institution for the professionally stupid.

[AmbSteve]

I think she needs to grow up and just do the quarantine time. It's the right thing to do, but she is so hard-pressed to go against what is right.

[KKB]

Originally Posted by AmbSteve

I think she needs to grow up and just do the quarantine time. It's the right thing to do, but she is so hard-pressed to go against what is right.

Can anyone really know that a person is not infectious until they begin to show symptoms? Everyone's body is a little different. How do we know that some people might not be infectious, say, 12 hours before they notice symptoms?

If I were this nurse, or that infected Doctor, I would never expose my loved ones to even the slightest chance of catching a disease with a 50% mortality rate from me. I would put myself in isolation in my own home and not let anyone come close.

[rbl]

Originally Posted by KKB

Can anyone really know that a person is not infectious until they begin to show symptoms? Everyone's body is a little different. How do we know that some people might not be infectious, say, 12 hours before they notice symptoms?



If I were this nurse, or that infected Doctor, I would never expose my loved ones to even the slightest chance of catching a disease with a 50% mortality rate from me. I would put myself in isolation in my own home and not let anyone come close.

I think this is the great point nobody is talking about:

It is impossible to know the exact moment that an infected person is contagious. You can be without symptoms for weeks, and then there will be a moment when you are contagious. There is no way to know when that exact moment will be. And you can be infective before you reach the bed-ridden, vomiting and bleeding stage. And if that newly infectious person is walking around, he or she is unnecessarily exposing others to a highly fatal disease.


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[vitalsignsrn]

I had typed this with my 1st response then deleted it.

She is a class A a$$hole. Let me tell you why....no respect for anyone but herself.

In 2003 I had a patient on a ventilator during the SARS time here in Toronto. Actually..he was a patient I had when we had cleared SARS 1 & didnt know that SARS 2 was going to hit us. So..my guy started exhibiting signs of the virus. We moved him to a negative isolation room & he was on full alert, the SARS team had taken him over. I had had him for 3 of my 4 12 hrs shifts. There were no filters on our ventilator tubing and all the suctioning & mouth care I did, well, he coughed & he coughed in my face. I contacted Staff health & I contacted Public health of Ontario & voluntarily put myself on a 10 day quaranteen. I felt fine..but what did I know? The city was on lockdown, emotions ran high, people were scared. If I had SARS, I would want to be the only one who knew it. I thought of my family, friends, elderly people in my life & the kids too. I was living in Yorkville, a pretty populated area of Toronto. I didn't want a single person to get the virus from me. I couldn't live with myself if someone had. Yes, was a total pain in the ass being isolated, yes, caused people in my life to fear for me, yes caused them anxiety, yes, I had to have my parents bring me groceries & leave them behind my door only opening the door when no one was in the hallway. My idiot ex husband, finance then, had contacted public health in his city to tell them I was on quarantine & was freaking out about him having it or his family. Truly heart wrenching for me. I had NO contact physically with anyone. Public health would call me 2 x a day to inquire about me. They sent me a huge fruit basket, which I was grateful for, I had fresh fruit. So ya..it impacted my life FOR TEN DAYS & then I came back to work once I was cleared. In all likelyhood was anyone going to get sick? Probably not...Did I know that with 100% certainty? NO. I was not going to risk anyones health because of what I do for a living to impact them. Once I was on government quarantine, I would have been charged for breaking it. I had no intention so to me was a mute point. My uncle was dying in another hospital from kidney failure. I knew going into quarantine was going to be tight to see him. He died during the early morning before I got cleared. I went through a lot of emotions at that time. I never got to see my uncle alive again. As much as that pains me, to this day 11 yrs later, I know I did the right thing for everyone around me.

This stupid b**** should have the insight to know where she was & what was waiting for her in the U.S. More importantly, she should have had the moral responsibility to protect everyone around her, both personal & strangers alike. If she tested negative for it once, fine...but should be mandated from the government that she should have had at least a 7 day quarantine minimally. She is an arrogant biatch. I'll keep saying it again & again. Also..as a fellow nurse, I would have ZERO confidence or trust working with her at the bedside to follow protocols that might endanger my life etc because she is above reproach.

Do the responsible thing...dumb ass.

Ok, rant over.... Please excuse the typos. I'm typing with one hand in a cast & I was angry writing this note.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by bondtoys

... degree of hysteria about ebola is only in the US.

I don't see it as hysteria, I see it as concern and frustration at the blatant mishandling of competent procedure. We had a Dr return home here in nyc after giving extensive care to Ebola patients and didn't think to isolate himself upon returning home.

What would you believe is a proper level of concern for ignorance of this magnitude?

Mind you I do not solely blame the caregiver, their primary goal is to give competant care, the govt has agencies tasked with setting policies (being paid a tremendous amount of taxpayer monies) whom in my opinion are laying down on the job.


There is a lighter side

[Gaijin]

Originally Posted by vitalsignsrn

I had typed this with my 1st response then deleted it.

She is a class A a$$hole. Let me tell you why....no respect for anyone but herself.

In 2003 I had a patient on a ventilator during the SARS time here in Toronto. Actually..he was a patient I had when we had cleared SARS 1 & didnt know that SARS 2 was going to hit us. So..my guy started exhibiting signs of the virus. We moved him to a negative isolation room & he was on full alert, the SARS team had taken him over. I had had him for 3 of my 4 12 hrs shifts. There were no filters on our ventilator tubing and all the suctioning & mouth care I did, well, he coughed & he coughed in my face. I contacted Staff health & I contacted Public health of Ontario & voluntarily put myself on a 10 day quaranteen. I felt fine..but what did I know? The city was on lockdown, emotions ran high, people were scared. If I had SARS, I would want to be the only one who knew it. I thought of my family, friends, elderly people in my life & the kids too. I was living in Yorkville, a pretty populated area of Toronto. I didn't want a single person to get the virus from me. I couldn't live with myself if someone had. Yes, was a total pain in the ass being isolated, yes, caused people in my life to fear for me, yes caused them anxiety, yes, I had to have my parents bring me groceries & leave them behind my door only opening the door when no one was in the hallway. My idiot ex husband, finance then, had contacted public health in his city to tell them I was on quarantine & was freaking out about him having it or his family. Truly heart wrenching for me. I had NO contact physically with anyone. Public health would call me 2 x a day to inquire about me. They sent me a huge fruit basket, which I was grateful for, I had fresh fruit. So ya..it impacted my life FOR TEN DAYS & then I came back to work once I was cleared. In all likelyhood was anyone going to get sick? Probably not...Did I know that with 100% certainty? NO. I was not going to risk anyones health because of what I do for a living to impact them. Once I was on government quarantine, I would have been charged for breaking it. I had no intention so to me was a mute point. My uncle was dying in another hospital from kidney failure. I knew going into quarantine was going to be tight to see him. He died during the early morning before I got cleared. I went through a lot of emotions at that time. I never got to see my uncle alive again. As much as that pains me, to this day 11 yrs later, I know I did the right thing for everyone around me.

This stupid b**** should have the insight to know where she was & what was waiting for her in the U.S. More importantly, she should have had the moral responsibility to protect everyone around her, both personal & strangers alike. If she tested negative for it once, fine...but should be mandated from the government that she should have had at least a 7 day quarantine minimally. She is an arrogant biatch. I'll keep saying it again & again. Also..as a fellow nurse, I would have ZERO confidence or trust working with her at the bedside to follow protocols that might endanger my life etc because she is above reproach.

Do the responsible thing...dumb ass.

Ok, rant over.... Please excuse the typos. I'm typing with one hand in a cast & I was angry writing this note.

That was awesome Judy. Best post ever.

Thank you for you amazing consideration for others and the difficult work that you do. True lightworker.

[Frosty]

I have to side with Robert Heinlein on this one. Her rights end at the tip of my nose. I do not have the right to cause anyone physical harm or to commit an act that could cause harm to anyone else, except in self-defense.

Diseases evolve. What it does today, does not necessarily point to what it will do tomorrow. To take chances with a disease that has a 70% mortality rate is not the optimum solution. It is counter productive for survival.

[MP5]

Sooooo, her Roommate over in africa has come down with Ebola
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2...-Wins-In-Court
Never seen someone so blatantly thumb their nose at karma.

[bondtoys]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

That isn't what we're reading and hearing.

From the USA Today:
Ebola fears spark claims of racism in Europe

From the New York Times:
In Europe, Fear of Ebola Exceeds the Actual Risks

From CNN:
Ebola fears slam European travel stocks

From Al Jazeera:
EU steps up screening as Ebola fear spreads

Originally Posted by Rzani

Sorry, but that's simply not true. Italy seems to be very upset...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...bor-Quarantine

If your links demonstrate one thing, it is journalists riding the ebola bandwaggon and trying to stir up a story based on minor local incidents.

Of course many people are concerned over here - some or probably even many will agree with your demand to force-quarantine Hickox.
And if someone shows signs of ebola, I am all for quaraneening them for the good of all others.

But we are far behind the US ebola hysteria I can assure you and that has been confirmed by US friends visiting us recently here.

This is my last post in this thread, hope that we can all survive this thing.

[LCDR]

Originally Posted by vitalsignsrn

I had typed this with my 1st response then deleted it.

She is a class A a$$hole. Let me tell you why....no respect for anyone but herself.

In 2003 I had a patient on a ventilator during the SARS time here in Toronto. Actually..he was a patient I had when we had cleared SARS 1 & didnt know that SARS 2 was going to hit us. So..my guy started exhibiting signs of the virus. We moved him to a negative isolation room & he was on full alert, the SARS team had taken him over. I had had him for 3 of my 4 12 hrs shifts. There were no filters on our ventilator tubing and all the suctioning & mouth care I did, well, he coughed & he coughed in my face. I contacted Staff health & I contacted Public health of Ontario & voluntarily put myself on a 10 day quaranteen. I felt fine..but what did I know? The city was on lockdown, emotions ran high, people were scared. If I had SARS, I would want to be the only one who knew it. I thought of my family, friends, elderly people in my life & the kids too. I was living in Yorkville, a pretty populated area of Toronto. I didn't want a single person to get the virus from me. I couldn't live with myself if someone had. Yes, was a total pain in the ass being isolated, yes, caused people in my life to fear for me, yes caused them anxiety, yes, I had to have my parents bring me groceries & leave them behind my door only opening the door when no one was in the hallway. My idiot ex husband, finance then, had contacted public health in his city to tell them I was on quarantine & was freaking out about him having it or his family. Truly heart wrenching for me. I had NO contact physically with anyone. Public health would call me 2 x a day to inquire about me. They sent me a huge fruit basket, which I was grateful for, I had fresh fruit. So ya..it impacted my life FOR TEN DAYS & then I came back to work once I was cleared. In all likelyhood was anyone going to get sick? Probably not...Did I know that with 100% certainty? NO. I was not going to risk anyones health because of what I do for a living to impact them. Once I was on government quarantine, I would have been charged for breaking it. I had no intention so to me was a mute point. My uncle was dying in another hospital from kidney failure. I knew going into quarantine was going to be tight to see him. He died during the early morning before I got cleared. I went through a lot of emotions at that time. I never got to see my uncle alive again. As much as that pains me, to this day 11 yrs later, I know I did the right thing for everyone around me.

This stupid b**** should have the insight to know where she was & what was waiting for her in the U.S. More importantly, she should have had the moral responsibility to protect everyone around her, both personal & strangers alike. If she tested negative for it once, fine...but should be mandated from the government that she should have had at least a 7 day quarantine minimally. She is an arrogant biatch. I'll keep saying it again & again. Also..as a fellow nurse, I would have ZERO confidence or trust working with her at the bedside to follow protocols that might endanger my life etc because she is above reproach.

Do the responsible thing...dumb ass.

Ok, rant over.... Please excuse the typos. I'm typing with one hand in a cast & I was angry writing this note.

To date, best post I have read on the TRF.

[VICI]

Originally Posted by mjclark32

Agree, just stay home for a couple weeks. Put others before yourself at home, just as you did abroad!

Agreed!

So far, the doc in NY (infected) and her are our sampling population - so a 50% infection rate.

[zama]

I am not in the US and I am worried about Ebola. Not paranoid about health workers, but if it does go crazy in the 21st century we are all in a world of pain.

[cajunron]

So if she was to die of ebola, maybe someone could carve onto her headstone, "SO I WAS WRONG. SUE ME."

[MP5]

Originally Posted by rgdejong

So if she was to die of ebola, maybe someone could carve onto her headstone, "SO I WAS WRONG. SUE ME."

No, it would be-

[seand442]

Originally Posted by MP5

No, it would be-

Awesome. I love it.

[SaddleSC]

Originally Posted by vitalsignsrn

I had typed this with my 1st response then deleted it.

She is a class A a$$hole. Let me tell you why....no respect for anyone but herself.

In 2003 I had a patient on a ventilator during the SARS time here in Toronto. Actually..he was a patient I had when we had cleared SARS 1 & didnt know that SARS 2 was going to hit us. So..my guy started exhibiting signs of the virus. We moved him to a negative isolation room & he was on full alert, the SARS team had taken him over. I had had him for 3 of my 4 12 hrs shifts. There were no filters on our ventilator tubing and all the suctioning & mouth care I did, well, he coughed & he coughed in my face. I contacted Staff health & I contacted Public health of Ontario & voluntarily put myself on a 10 day quaranteen. I felt fine..but what did I know? The city was on lockdown, emotions ran high, people were scared. If I had SARS, I would want to be the only one who knew it. I thought of my family, friends, elderly people in my life & the kids too. I was living in Yorkville, a pretty populated area of Toronto. I didn't want a single person to get the virus from me. I couldn't live with myself if someone had. Yes, was a total pain in the ass being isolated, yes, caused people in my life to fear for me, yes caused them anxiety, yes, I had to have my parents bring me groceries & leave them behind my door only opening the door when no one was in the hallway. My idiot ex husband, finance then, had contacted public health in his city to tell them I was on quarantine & was freaking out about him having it or his family. Truly heart wrenching for me. I had NO contact physically with anyone. Public health would call me 2 x a day to inquire about me. They sent me a huge fruit basket, which I was grateful for, I had fresh fruit. So ya..it impacted my life FOR TEN DAYS & then I came back to work once I was cleared. In all likelyhood was anyone going to get sick? Probably not...Did I know that with 100% certainty? NO. I was not going to risk anyones health because of what I do for a living to impact them. Once I was on government quarantine, I would have been charged for breaking it. I had no intention so to me was a mute point. My uncle was dying in another hospital from kidney failure. I knew going into quarantine was going to be tight to see him. He died during the early morning before I got cleared. I went through a lot of emotions at that time. I never got to see my uncle alive again. As much as that pains me, to this day 11 yrs later, I know I did the right thing for everyone around me.

This stupid b**** should have the insight to know where she was & what was waiting for her in the U.S. More importantly, she should have had the moral responsibility to protect everyone around her, both personal & strangers alike. If she tested negative for it once, fine...but should be mandated from the government that she should have had at least a 7 day quarantine minimally. She is an arrogant biatch. I'll keep saying it again & again. Also..as a fellow nurse, I would have ZERO confidence or trust working with her at the bedside to follow protocols that might endanger my life etc because she is above reproach.

Do the responsible thing...dumb ass.

Ok, rant over.... Please excuse the typos. I'm typing with one hand in a cast & I was angry writing this note.

[AK797]

Can't you guys get her sent to Gitmo as an ISIS terrorist or something?

[joeychitwood]

Originally Posted by bondtoys

If your links demonstrate one thing, it is journalists riding the ebola bandwaggon and trying to stir up a story based on minor local incidents.....

But we are far behind the US ebola hysteria I can assure you and that has been confirmed by US friends visiting us recently here....

So when journalists write of Ebola fears in Europe, it's "stirring up a story based on minor local incidents," but when the same stories appears in the US, it's evidence of "hysteria?" I guess I'll have to take your word for it. Your US friends have confirmed it.

[cajunron]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

So when journalists write of Ebola fears in Europe, it's "stirring up a story based on minor local incidents," but when the same stories appears in the US, it's evidence of "hysteria?" I guess I'll have to take your word for it. Your US friends have confirmed it.

Maybe perception is a demographic thing.

[Rock]

The media everywhere would like to portray any rational concern as "hysteria".

As for the USA being the only country to demonstrate "hysteria", I can tell you that there is a widespread healthy concern here in Australia as well.

The government has demonstrated a sensible reluctance to give in to the 'bleeding-hearts' and rush in before there are arrangements in place for a safe exit.

One thing I have noticed is the contrast in behaviour of many 'care-workers' who having showed great courage (or something) in responding to the need, follow it up by showing a corresponding magnitude of irresponsibility in their behaviour when returning from the crisis centres.

When people behave with blatant irresponsibility, governments need to step in and take control.

[AzPaul]

Some of you seem to be forgetting she had a very important bike ride to go on.