Penmanship and handwriting

[Jocke]

Rolex will have the correct date when the dealer have activate the card as he have done April 24, 2015. So there is
2 year and 1 months warranty left. That is the deal I guess. It's very strange to change the year on the card, it's risky
both for the seller and the AD. Just call the AD that have sold it and ask when it's sold.

[kilyung]

I'd have returned it IMMEDIATELY. No telling what else is shady about the watch (or the seller).

[cop414]

I agree with the consensus here. One of the tricks that we used to use when I was working concerning written statements was to take the finished handwritten statement, turn it upside down and look for inconsistency in the writing, slant and "overwriting", that was cause to go back to the statement writer and press a little further with an interview about that part of the statement.
I turned the OP's pic upside down and the inconsistency would cause me to scratch my head and say, hmmmmm, something needs further investigation here. I have no dog in this fight, just relaying some possibly useful information.

On a side note, have someone write ten sentences for you, have them lie in two of them, turn the page upside down and usually you can pick out the lies just by how the lines are inconsistent with the rest of the writing. You're not reading it upside down, just looking at the style, slant and overall inconsistency between the lie lines and the truthful lines.

[sco]

Originally Posted by cop414

I agree with the consensus here. One of the tricks that we used to use when I was working concerning written statements was to take the finished handwritten statement, turn it upside down and look for inconsistency in the writing, slant and "overwriting", that was cause to go back to the statement writer and press a little further with an interview about that part of the statement.
I turned the OP's pic upside down and the inconsistency would cause me to scratch my head and say, hmmmmm, something needs further investigation here. I have no dog in this fight, just relaying some possibly useful information.

On a side note, have someone write ten sentences for you, have then lie in two of them, turn the page upside down and usually you can pick out the lies just by how the lines are inconsistent with the rest of the writing. You're not reading it upside down, just looking at the style, slant and overall inconsistency between the lie lines and the truthful lines.

Fantastic post, I love this and will keep it in mind. Thanks!

[cop414]

Originally Posted by sco

Fantastic post, I love this and will keep it in mind. Thanks!

[RichM]

Originally Posted by Jocke

Rolex will have the correct date when the dealer have activate the card as he have done April 24, 2015. So there is
2 year and 1 months warranty left. That is the deal I guess. It's very strange to change the year on the card, it's risky
both for the seller and the AD. Just call the AD that have sold it and ask when it's sold.

Jocke, just a question. Maybe you know the answer. If the date is automatically entered when the card is swiped, why does Rolex still have the AD manually date the card? Thanks

[precision40]

100% fake. I lightened the photo in question and circled the three key points of the number 5. On the tail of the five, you can see where it ended and there is a light area between the end and where it closes together to form the 6. At that point it all becomes dark again as if it's been written over twice.

[RichM]

Well Done!

[cop414]

I agree that was definitely a five at some point, written over to look like a six. I'd say that the warranty could be quite suspect because of this? Would an altered warranty card void said warranty?

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by cop414

I agree with the consensus here. One of the tricks that we used to use when I was working concerning written statements was to take the finished handwritten statement, turn it upside down and look for inconsistency in the writing, slant and "overwriting", that was cause to go back to the statement writer and press a little further with an interview about that part of the statement.
I turned the OP's pic upside down and the inconsistency would cause me to scratch my head and say, hmmmmm, something needs further investigation here. I have no dog in this fight, just relaying some possibly useful information.

On a side note, have someone write ten sentences for you, have them lie in two of them, turn the page upside down and usually you can pick out the lies just by how the lines are inconsistent with the rest of the writing. You're not reading it upside down, just looking at the style, slant and overall inconsistency between the lie lines and the truthful lines.

You're giving away the tricks of the trade, Tim.

[lamnyc]

Looks bad.

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by Rich Mickol

Jocke, just a question. Maybe you know the answer. If the date is automatically entered when the card is swiped, why does Rolex still have the AD manually date the card? Thanks

Otherwise the owner will not know when the warranty run out and if your local AD will do some warranty work.

[bongtris]

Originally Posted by Rich Mickol

Jocke, just a question. Maybe you know the answer. If the date is automatically entered when the card is swiped, why does Rolex still have the AD manually date the card? Thanks

I think they write it down for the buyers reference.

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[RichM]

Originally Posted by cop414

I agree that was definitely a five at some point, written over to look like a six. I'd say that the warranty could be quite suspect because of this? Would an altered warranty card void said warranty?

I think so. Looks like you're trying to squeeze an extra year out of them. But if it's imbedded in the magnetic strip, then I don't see what difference it makes.

So I'm really not sure.

Thanks Jocke Maybe it's just me but I keep the Bill of Sale. That's the date I go by. If they really want to do us a favor, they should date the card with the date the warranty expires, since the purchase date is already embedded in the strip.

[Danny83]

I dont think the trusted seller altered the date, maybe the supplier to the seller altered it for whatever reason,I dont know just exchange it if you are not happy.

[KBM]

That doesn't look right. Another vote for returning the watch.

[Mr Daytona]

Very interesting. It's quite possible, depending on what trusted seller you purchased this from, that the AD that SHIPPED the watch could have done this and the seller not know it. Just theorizing here.

[bdex75]

If the AD swiped the strip in the card and that was done on April 24 2015 is that not the date that is going to be associated with that watch for warranty purposes? There is not doubt the date has been altered. If the AD for some reason changed the date and can/did re-swipe the card, ok. If the gray seller just changed the date, obviously not ok. I would want to verify the date with Rolex or the AD. If it is 2015 then I would return the watch and let the gray seller deal with it. Don't know where I stand on outing them and making them defend this, but if it was me I would probably do that. If the gray seller changed the date, this is fraud and needs to be known.


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[Al1969]

Originally Posted by kilyung

I'd have returned it IMMEDIATELY. No telling what else is shady about the watch (or the seller).

I completely agree. I think we should also know who the seller is and look forward to their response to the OP's "altered" card thread. It truly makes you wonder. Perhaps the so called BNIB is not exactly that and has been "restickered".

[2JHead]

No question it was altered from 2015 to 2016 in an attempt to get more money from you than what you would have otherwise paid. Not sure if it alters anything when it comes to Rolex / AD but he attempt to cheat you out of a year of warranty which is unacceptable in my book

[rdragon]

Doesn't make sense for AD to do this, so it seems a bit more likely the reseller/trusted seller did. As many have asked, I think it makes sense to let us know who it is?

[DeeTee]

Originally Posted by salvadorsantana

Or you can also keep the watch and ask for a "big" discount from the seller since I will consider that watch as new but with no papers since the warranty card looks altered and therefore it will be useless. It is not like a brand new Rolex will set to fail in the years to come, and if something happens usually it is a cheap fix and plenty of qualified watchmakers around the country...so either ask for a deep discount or ask him/her to provide a return label and refund. Hope all works out.

This. Don't worry too much about the card, the watch will be fine for years to come.

[bondtoys]

Originally Posted by precision40

100% fake. I lightened the photo in question and circled the three key points of the number 5. On the tail of the five, you can see where it ended and there is a light area between the end and where it closes together to form the 6. At that point it all becomes dark again as if it's been written over twice.

Phantastic detective work - also by turning the image

I sincerely hope that Adam is already aware of the seller and is trying to sort this out with him directly.

As things are looking right now, this is totally unacceptable and must have consequences far more than a returned watch.

[Dove37]

1..if you have to ask the question then you possibly already know the answer.

2..what happened to buy the seller...not the watch.

3.Caveat Emptor.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by Dove37

1..if you have to ask the question then you possibly already know the answer.

2..what happened to buy the seller...not the watch.

3.Caveat Emptor.

he bought the seller. seller didnt send him some ridiculous macro shot of the warranty card. he found that out when he got the watch.

[mr.nice_watch]

I think that if many of us are buying watches from trusted sellers here I believe we must know who the "Trusted Seller" it is so that we can purchase with caution, I would only buy from two sellers here, that is "DavidSw" and "Takuya" and I sure hope is not one of them.

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[jinikari01]

Originally Posted by precision40

100% fake. I lightened the photo in question and circled the three key points of the number 5. On the tail of the five, you can see where it ended and there is a light area between the end and where it closes together to form the 6. At that point it all becomes dark again as if it's been written over twice.

well done.

CSI MIAMI?

[bongtris]

Originally Posted by precision40

100% fake. I lightened the photo in question and circled the three key points of the number 5. On the tail of the five, you can see where it ended and there is a light area between the end and where it closes together to form the 6. At that point it all becomes dark again as if it's been written over twice.

Looks like the "2016" was written over again. It looks bolder.

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[Lordofrolex]

Originally Posted by cop414

I agree with the consensus here. One of the tricks that we used to use when I was working concerning written statements was to take the finished handwritten statement, turn it upside down and look for inconsistency in the writing, slant and "overwriting", that was cause to go back to the statement writer and press a little further with an interview about that part of the statement.
I turned the OP's pic upside down and the inconsistency would cause me to scratch my head and say, hmmmmm, something needs further investigation here. I have no dog in this fight, just relaying some possibly useful information.

On a side note, have someone write ten sentences for you, have them lie in two of them, turn the page upside down and usually you can pick out the lies just by how the lines are inconsistent with the rest of the writing. You're not reading it upside down, just looking at the style, slant and overall inconsistency between the lie lines and the truthful lines.

Very cool trick.

Originally Posted by kauebm

That doesn't look right. Another vote for returning the watch.

x2..... I would send it back. I wouldn't ask for a discount as i would not reward a seller for trying to deceive me. Are you going to name the seller? I don't see the reason to protect a seller whose obviously done something wrong. Its easy to see even without all the detective work that the warranty has been altered.

[RichM]

You gotta love this place. You guys are amazing.