Incoming 16710 Pepsi Stick Dial - Unlikeliest Grail

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by zman

Congrats!

The "stick" dial from what I've read is not really an "error" dial.
Did you get a Z or M serial? If it's a Z, what numerical series?

Its Z but I will remove the bracelet when my 502Ts arrive from my trusted parts seller in germany, dhl has them now...I bought a mint 2007 jubilee for it and will install this as soon as said end-links arrive. Will update exact serial numerical soon

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by JP.

Welcome to the 16710 club. I don't wear mine so often anymore but it's a nice collector's piece.

Here's my writeup of this model.

https://luxurywatches635.wordpress.c...ster-ii-16710/

Fantastic write up. This text makes me assume I have the 3186 “as the hand jumps six hours for every turn of the crown (or 8 h/turn in the 3186)”

Mine does 8h

[henrylee]

Beautiful welcome to the club

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by paulbrl

What a beauty! There is something about these 5-digit GMTs that is just so right. Enjoy in good health!

Oddly enough, I toyed with the new BLRO and could have bought one without any hassle (grey) for 16k but, I may be the only TRF member who who prefers the older variant and, the flexibilty of inserts, bracelets and, stealth coolness.

What I am saying is that I consciously chose the 16710 over the new piece, money isn't an issue to me, I just prefer the older no-hole ref for the above reasons.

[superstarmar]

Congrats... Looks fantastic...

[jason10mm]

Originally Posted by inadeje

Oddly enough, I toyed with the new BLRO and could have bought one without any hassle (grey) for 16k but, I may be the only TRF member who who prefers the older variant and, the flexibilty of inserts, bracelets and, stealth coolness.



What I am saying is that I consciously chose the 16710 over the new piece, money isn't an issue to me, I just prefer the older no-hole ref for the above reasons.

You are not the only one, though I admit I've seen more 16710s in the wild (2) than 216710s (zero) so it is bit hard to really compare the two :)

[meyers]

Originally Posted by jp.

welcome to the 16710 club.

+1

[sillo]

Originally Posted by hectorlopez

Is there an easy way to tell whether it has the 3185 or 3186 movement without removing the caseback?

The amount of hours jumped with one full rotation of the crown is different between the two movements. Just look up the amount for each and test out your watch.

Originally Posted by inadeje

I may be the only TRF member who who prefers the older variant and, the flexibilty of inserts, bracelets and, stealth coolness.

What I am saying is that I consciously chose the 16710 over the new piece, money isn't an issue to me, I just prefer the older no-hole ref for the above reasons.

You're not alone, there's plenty of us lurking around here beautiful watch!

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by sillo38

The amount of hours jumped with one full rotation of the crown is different between the two movements. Just look up the amount for each and test out your watch.



You're not alone, there's plenty of us lurking around here beautiful watch!

That’s good to know.

[Chloe&Harley]

Congrats great acquisition and story

[inadeje]

Here is an example of a typical european based stick dial 23k...

https://www.chrono24.com/en/rolex/16...US&SETCURR=USD

[inadeje]

22k for this US based stick dial...

https://www.chrono24.com/en/rolex/gm...US&SETCURR=USD

[037]

Originally Posted by inadeje

luckily, I found a vendor with this immaculate piece who had no idea what it was so, I snapped it up for 9k USD (Europe is min 12k and as much as 23k) .

Your insert looks aftermarket and the crystal is questionable. They might have known what they had and played dumb. The price reflects the parts.

I'd take it to your local RSC and have them open it up just to be sure everything inside is original.

On an unrelated note, stick dials are common service dials so it's not all that rare to find them on older tritium models that have been updated by an RSC.

[AJM914]

Congrats!

[exador]

Originally Posted by hectorlopez

Is there an easy way to tell whether it has the 3185 or 3186 movement without removing the caseback?

Wiggle Test.

If the GMT hand doesn't wiggle when setting the hour hand then you know it's a 3186.

[sillo]

Originally Posted by 037

Your insert looks aftermarket

Is it the flat bottom on the 2s? Or just the overall font?

[037]

Originally Posted by sillo38

Is it the flat bottom on the 2s?

Yeah, flat bottoms on the 2s and 4s, shapes of the 0s, 2s, 4s, 6s, 8s... etc.

Even if it has a 3186 inside, the insert and crystal would have me cracking it open to check for other aftermarket parts. It begs a closer look. The crystal might be okay but looks a bit off in these pics.

[Qwerty01]

Thats a great bargain!~Congratzzz

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by 037

Your insert looks aftermarket and the crystal is questionable. They might have known what they had and played dumb. The price reflects the parts.

I'd take it to your local RSC and have them open it up just to be sure everything inside is original.

On an unrelated note, stick dials are common service dials so it's not all that rare to find them on older tritium models that have been updated by an RSC.

Thanks, I appreciate your feedback. I wasn’t aware the stick dials were also service dials, although it would make sense that service dials be derived from the last batches made which, as we know, were stick. I guess because its a Z series with no holes case, its what we could logically consider a coherent (for year/series) stick dial. Thanks anyway, always appreciate views from long time knowledgeable members

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by inadeje

Padi56 - we all know its hype and the tiny details. However, I have a pretty solid collection and tried to relay why I went full circle. At 9k its pretty cheap in comparison to some of my other references and, afterall, it’s that inner pleasure of looking at it and saying to oneself “its a stick dial”. Nobody else cares or could give a damn but, our horological passion is quirky at best right? :)

Agree, with these little nuances this hobby would be pretty boring. Congratulations

[Chilly Coconut]

Originally Posted by inadeje

Thanks, I appreciate your feedback. I wasn’t aware the stick dials were also service dials, although it would make sense that service dials be derived from the last batches made which, as we know, were stick. I guess because its a Z series with no holes case, its what we could logically consider a coherent (for year/series) stick dial. Thanks anyway, always appreciate views from long time knowledgeable members

I guess you didn’t believe me when I said that the stick font was used on service dials in post #3? There were many D serials that were also made with the so-called stick dial (the one posted for sale on chrono24 above, as an example).

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by Chilly Coconut

I guess you didn’t believe me when I said that the stick font was used on service dials in post #3? There were many D serials that were also made with the so-called stick dial (the one posted for sale on chrono24 above, as an example).

You’re right, sorry. There were so many comments when I returned to the thread, I guess I must have skimmed through and missed it. However, I’m seeing quite a business here :) 1. Get 16710 stick service dials 2. Add them to regular 16710 3. Ship to Europe 4. Sell 5. Check bank balance

Haha

[zman]

Originally Posted by inadeje

Its Z but I will remove the bracelet when my 502Ts arrive from my trusted parts seller in germany, dhl has them now...I bought a mint 2007 jubilee for it and will install this as soon as said end-links arrive. Will update exact serial numerical soon

I see. So it doesn’t have the credit card style warranty?

[JonaG]

Originally Posted by inadeje

Here is an example of a typical european based stick dial 23k...

https://www.chrono24.com/en/rolex/16...US&SETCURR=USD

The two that you link to for $23/22k respectively are for “unworn” pieces hence the high price.

Congrats on the 16710, I love mine!

[Andad]

Hi inadeje,

I understand that it is a Z.

Just for interest, can you tell us the first number after the Z?

[Onikage]

Just to confirm I have the sticks on a D serial. Must be rare because people are talking about it on here XD

[roro]

Originally Posted by 037

Yeah, flat bottoms on the 2s and 4s, shapes of the 0s, 2s, 4s, 6s, 8s... etc.

Even if it has a 3186 inside, the insert and crystal would have me cracking it open to check for other aftermarket parts. It begs a closer look. The crystal might be okay but looks a bit off in these pics.

The insert is definitely aftermarket (those hooked 2's are a dead giveaway) but what about the crystal looks off?

OP, nice watch and great stick dial. Welcome to the club. I have a D serial stick.

[cure]

Congrats. Nice catch:)


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[rmlovett1]

Very nice watch! Congrats!

[037]

Originally Posted by roro

The insert is definitely aftermarket (those hooked 2's are a dead giveaway) but what about the crystal looks off?

The date magnifier looks thin and I don't recall Z serials coming with AR coating under the magnifier. Perhaps it's a service crystal and an odd angle in the photo. Like I mentioned, it might be okay. And, yes, the insert is definitely a fake — possibly swapped on the cheap just to make it a BLRO for a more enticing sale. Even if the seller didn't know about the movement, they were playing dumb in other ways.

It's still a good find since people pay so much for the 3186. Hopefully nothing internal is aftermarket and it's just the insert.