What professions will resist AI?

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Laszlo

I work with a lot of new technologies including AI and I will tell you this, it still requires human beings, and if you guys have kids, get them to learn code and robotics. Otherwise their futures aren't going to be very fruitful.

I agree with this but soon you won't need humans to write code, AI will be able to write it.

When corporations decided that humans were a liability and not an asset on the accounting side of the ledger, robotics and AI are the natural progression.

[tudorbaja27]

Originally Posted by FTX I

Not many I guess. Things can change really fast. Estonia will use a “robot judge” to take care of small claims court disputes and that can set a new standard. It seems the next generation will have a powerful competitor. What's your view?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...red-JUDGE.html

Estonia was the first country to implement online voting. They're at the forefront of quite a few technological innovations.

Quite a splendid country as well. Visited Tallinn over NYE

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Lots of professions will try to resist but there is nobody to stop AI.

Slowly, and in some cases quickly, all professions will be affected and overtaken by computers. There is no real reason to believe that science fiction books, movies are wrong about any of it. And I seriously doubt it will be any kind of utopia.

Agree. From what I've been reading, doctors and lawyers will be highly affected.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by tudorbaja27

Estonia was the first country to implement online voting. They're at the forefront of quite a few technological innovations.

Quite a splendid country as well. Visited Tallinn over NYE

Agree 100%. Lovely city my friend.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by CamSLC

AI is going to go deep. It's going to take on a massive segment of our infrastructure and it's going to come quickly. It won't just dispace low level work either. From cancer detection and ophthalmology to driving and taking orders at starbucks. Anything with repetitive or codable wrights and wrongs. A computer sharing a database of what something should or shouldn't be is far beyond what a single human ability can ever attain. We are already using robot lawyers to fight parking tickets and proofread an NDA faster and more efficiently than a human.

The unaffected is going to be the people writing the code/rules, basic trade skills and the arts. If you can write a novel or sing in vibrato. Catering to the enthusiast like mechanical watch making, hand painting, or replacing a manual transmission. Making a shingle can be automated, but roofing a house takes more interaction. Being the operator of the machine will be the safe place. SAM the robot bricklayer will build a wall 5x faster than a human, but he needs someone to tell him where to lay and how tall.

Yup. People need to put food on the table and I wonder how will they do that if less and less jobs will be available in the near future.

[CamSLC]

Originally Posted by FTX I

Yup. People need to put food on the table and I wonder how will they do that if less and less jobs will be available in the near future.

UBI. The list of individuals who predict a universal basic income in the near future are far more economically savvy than I am. I think that's the route we will end up on, whether or not everyone thinks it's right. And without a doubt a solution that will cause an underlying new problem. There will be shortfalls, but food on the table is what matters. We can't run a population like a company and throw non-performers to the wayside.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by CamSLC

We can't run a population like a company and throw non-performers to the wayside.

But we can't stop progress as well so there's no way out. The new generation will need to adapt.

[Rolex addict]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

1 word

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[CamSLC]

Originally Posted by FTX I

But we can't stop progress as well so there's no way out. The new generation will need to adapt.

Agree.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by CamSLC

Agree.

[CRM114]

Originally Posted by SoTaxLaw

If you think “steering around the sky isn’t the hard part,” then why do you need a human pilot at FedEx for example? They aren’t shooting at anything. So no judgment calls needed?

Of course judgement calls are needed whether it's FedEx, Delta, or military drones, which was my point. Airliners full of passengers or cargo MD-11s dropped onto people/buildings on the ground is not acceptable.

Obviously, you misinterpreted my entire post.

Pilotless aircraft (real aircraft, "Drones" only in designation) have been "steered around the sky" for various purposes since WW2, long before the current, purpose-built crop. Even in civilian aviation, for a couple decades given the right equipment a flight can already be flown entirely using automation and Flight Management System from engaging the autothrottle on takeoff until an autoland touchdown, the pilot merely configuring the aircraft as needed. The entire point of developing and having those systems in aircraft is to reduce workload so the pilots can dedicate more attention and brainpower to situational awareness and making judgement calls.

The question of the thread is with regards to AI, and your military drone example isn't. They have human operators. Artificial Intelligence doesn't call the shots, humans do. The fact that those piloting them aren't sitting in them is irrelevant.

[yoniman]

Originally Posted by Rolex addict

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Cheers

[_speedmaster_]

Humans and the job market will adapt. There are unforeseen jobs that will be created that will need a human touch.

If I had to pick a current profession that would be unaffected by AI, I’d say acting. The T-1000 wasn’t quite good enough to fool that kid on the pay phone...he knew damn well Woolfie wasn’t barking.

[utc66]

I think hairdresser is a safe job.

[subtona]

My view is not very optimistic.

Many Jobs will be eliminated and decisions will be rendered without recourse.

Many amazing things will become possible but ultimately I expect the outcome will closely resemble what our movies have shown us.

The greatest concern is when the technology is turned against us, and that imho is inevitable.

[_speedmaster_]

Originally Posted by subtona

...The greatest concern is when the technology is turned against us, and that imho is inevitable.

Curious...do you mean humans turning technology against each other (a WWIII scenario) or AI becoming sentient and deciding humans are unnecessary? I view the former as a distinct inevitability. I'm not so convinced the latter is possible.

[utc66]

Colossus: The Forbin Project, 1970

Great and thought provoking movie about sentient computers.

[exador]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

I would have thought the opposite is true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjAZGUcjrP8

Yeah but who fixes the robots when they break?

[subtona]

Originally Posted by _speedmaster_

Curious...do you mean humans turning technology against each other (a WWIII scenario) or AI becoming sentient and deciding humans are unnecessary? I view the former as a distinct inevitability. I'm not so convinced the latter is possible.

Exactly. Others using it with potential catastrophic consequences.
As far as sentience of technology, I am curious about the growth and progress rate, with each milestone it brings a quicker and quicker evolution.




As far as OP question on jobs, the skies the limit, where there is a will (greed) there is a way.

[-lenny-]

Chain gang

[AzPaul]

They're doing some very interesting things at Cyberdyne Systems.

[vaulter1]

Originally Posted by FTX I

Agree. From what I've been reading, doctors and lawyers will be highly affected.

I can't recall where I read it but the opinion was that while doctors would be highly impacted, nurses and other patient care roles would see an increase in need. From a patient interaction perspective I guess their roles are still too diversified and unpredictable to be replaced with AI. Not sure if anyone in the industry (AI or medicine) has a different perspective?

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by vaulter1

I can't recall where I read it but the opinion was that while doctors would be highly impacted, nurses and other patient care roles would see an increase in need. From a patient interaction perspective I guess their roles are still too diversified and unpredictable to be replaced with AI. Not sure if anyone in the industry (AI or medicine) has a different perspective?

Would be nice to read their opinion.

[uscmatt99]

Originally Posted by FTX I

Would be nice to read their opinion.

It's a pretty broad topic. I am in medical imaging. The utilization of imaging tests continues to rise, and it outpacing the number of graduating trainees relative to retirees in the field. Most of us are swamped with work. Couple this with the fact that as imaging technology advances, there is much more complicated analysis that can be performed. But we only have so many eyes and brains available to process everything.

I think that most business savvy imaging groups are looking for ways to integrate AI into the workflow. However, for the near future, this will only serve to augment what human radiologists are doing. I'll give you an example:

A patient has multiple metastatic lung nodules related to cancer. Right now I manually measure some or all of them, and compare that to a previous scan, and give an impression as to whether they all grew, some grew and some decreased in size, all lesions decreased in size, some are stable, etc etc. The oncologist incorporates this data point into the greater picture of how the patient is doing, and a treatment decision is made.

My end of this is painstaking, it takes a long time, and it's only semi-quantitative. I would love to have software that can reliably pinpoint these lesions and measure them in three dimensions to provide a volume rather than a 2D size measurement that is the current reporting standard. Ideally, the software would then calculate a total volume of cancer in the lungs. Now these are just numbers, but they may help to paint a clearer picture and provide additional info that can help guide treatment for patients. Once we have these tools readily available, they can be appropriately studied in clinical trials.

Now I'll give you a success story. Look up RAPID CT Perfusion for acute stroke imaging. This is an amazing cloud based company. A special type of CT scan is performed and the data set is sent to their servers. Within 5-10 minutes a set of processed images is sent with quantification of brain tissue that has died and tissue that is still salvageable. Based on this, a neurointerventional physician can run a catheter up to the brain through the groin and pull out blood clot, saving brain tissue. The more time that passes, the more brain tissue dies, so every 10 minutes counts. We do this as standard at our facility for patients that meet criteria, and it has changed the game. You can take a patient from nursing home bound to near complete recovery. This technology stratifies which patients should undergo a costly and mildly risky procedure, and which patients should not (because they likely have no salvageable tissue).

Both of these examples are more high-tech computational software than AI. AI will be when the software offers interpretive and/or treatment advise, which isn't a huge step....

[timedate]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Lots of professions will try to resist but there is nobody to stop AI.

Slowly, and in some cases quickly, all professions will be affected and overtaken by computers. There is no real reason to believe that science fiction books, movies are wrong about any of it. And I seriously doubt it will be any kind of utopia.

Who thought in the 1950s that corporations would soon take over the world, but they pretty much have, because money is king, and very few people have the character to oppose it.

People are sheep and so easily led astray by fast talkers and misinformation. There is no way to stop evil people from taking away our freedom and our security. 9/11 proved that people will give up their freedom and choices simply by the promise of security. Facebook proved that people will believe anything. Our political systems have all been coerced by corporate money and influence.

So who is really there to protect the sheep from any advances that serve the will of big money.

you are right, people will believe anything,

or pretend to believe something to maintain membership of their clique, or just to have an easy life,

shocked at how gullible most people are, but mainly western people.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by uscmatt99

It's a pretty broad topic. I am in medical imaging. The utilization of imaging tests continues to rise, and it outpacing the number of graduating trainees relative to retirees in the field. Most of us are swamped with work. Couple this with the fact that as imaging technology advances, there is much more complicated analysis that can be performed. But we only have so many eyes and brains available to process everything.

I think that most business savvy imaging groups are looking for ways to integrate AI into the workflow. However, for the near future, this will only serve to augment what human radiologists are doing. I'll give you an example:

A patient has multiple metastatic lung nodules related to cancer. Right now I manually measure some or all of them, and compare that to a previous scan, and give an impression as to whether they all grew, some grew and some decreased in size, all lesions decreased in size, some are stable, etc etc. The oncologist incorporates this data point into the greater picture of how the patient is doing, and a treatment decision is made.

My end of this is painstaking, it takes a long time, and it's only semi-quantitative. I would love to have software that can reliably pinpoint these lesions and measure them in three dimensions to provide a volume rather than a 2D size measurement that is the current reporting standard. Ideally, the software would then calculate a total volume of cancer in the lungs. Now these are just numbers, but they may help to paint a clearer picture and provide additional info that can help guide treatment for patients. Once we have these tools readily available, they can be appropriately studied in clinical trials.

Now I'll give you a success story. Look up RAPID CT Perfusion for acute stroke imaging. This is an amazing cloud based company. A special type of CT scan is performed and the data set is sent to their servers. Within 5-10 minutes a set of processed images is sent with quantification of brain tissue that has died and tissue that is still salvageable. Based on this, a neurointerventional physician can run a catheter up to the brain through the groin and pull out blood clot, saving brain tissue. The more time that passes, the more brain tissue dies, so every 10 minutes counts. We do this as standard at our facility for patients that meet criteria, and it has changed the game. You can take a patient from nursing home bound to near complete recovery. This technology stratifies which patients should undergo a costly and mildly risky procedure, and which patients should not (because they likely have no salvageable tissue).

Both of these examples are more high-tech computational software than AI. AI will be when the software offers interpretive and/or treatment advise, which isn't a huge step....

Great post my friend. Thanks for sharing your perspective.

So if I understand correctly you still don't have a software to do that for you? I thought your field would be swamped with high tech stuff to do whatever you could imagine. When I read about AI invading all professional fields I don't know what's real and what's BS. I'd never have guessed it would affect lawyers, for example, but when I read about a robot judge everything changes. In medicine we already have robotics like Da Vinci surgery for example but I fail to uderstand how would that replace humans in the future. I think I'm skeptical, or just ignorant.

[uscmatt99]

Originally Posted by FTX I

Great post my friend. Thanks for sharing your perspective.

So if I understand correctly you still don't have a software to do that for you? I thought your field would be swamped with high tech stuff to do whatever you could imagine. When I read about AI invading all professional fields I don't know what's real and what's BS. I'd never have guessed it would affect lawyers, for example, but when I read about a robot judge everything changes. In medicine we already have robotics like Da Vinci surgery for example but I fail to uderstand how would that replace humans in the future. I think I'm skeptical, or just ignorant.

This is a good example of why I'm not too concerned about being replaced by computers for the near future. Turns out it is really hard to write software that can differentiate these things from blood vessels, and detect the edges of the lesions as reliably as a person. There is probably some "in-house" software at some research institutions, but most of us are still doing this stuff manually. Breast imaging is another field where there is intense R&D to use AI to detect lesions on mammograms, again to augment radiologists for the time being until it's more reliable.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by uscmatt99

This is a good example of why I'm not too concerned about being replaced by computers for the near future. Turns out it is really hard to write software that can differentiate these things from blood vessels, and detect the edges of the lesions as reliably as a person. There is probably some "in-house" software at some research institutions, but most of us are still doing this stuff manually. Breast imaging is another field where there is intense R&D to use AI to detect lesions on mammograms, again augment radiologists for the time being until it's more reliable.

Thanks for sharing Matt.

[subtona]

consider the captcha questions that we see to verify our sign-in to accounts ... for some time this was used to resolve OCR (optical character recognition) failures in books, whenever the OCR didn't work they kicked it up to captcha and let the collective (us) determine what it saw.


or the street scenes where you have to identify a crosswalk or stop sign or truck...computer driven cars are the obvious benefit for IA to resolve what it is seeing.


can it be that difficult to imagine medical diagnosis from imaging?

the entirety is aided by the human experiment called facebook and google and instagram... they are beginning to know us better than we know ourselves.
the growth of the learning curve is exponential

[Boothroyd]

Originally Posted by utc66

Colossus: The Forbin Project, 1970

Great and thought provoking movie about sentient computers.

I LOVED that made for TV movie. Way ahead of its time.