Why is VC in the holy trinity?

[RobJordan]

So much history with Vacheron.

Originally Posted by beshannon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacheron_Constantin

https://www.theceomagazine.com/busin...on-constantin/

https://www.hautehorlogerie.org/en/b...on-constantin/

[Brew]

It's that big cross on their dials.

[tudorbaja27]

Originally Posted by Brew

It's that big cross on their dials.

Exactly.

Easy enough to understand

[faimag]

Why not?

[Verdi]

really, you don't understand?!
did you google/read about VC and their watches?

Have a look at their “Métiers d’Art Les Masques” collection:
http://www.thewatchquote.com/Vachero...09-No_7137.htm


Current Métiers d’Art collection:
https://www.vacheron-constantin.com/...art.html#tab=0

forget 'bout it!

[finestdealer]

Who knows ? Tho

[Juan Luis]

Vacheron is tops along with Patek, in my opinion. But, I would switch Jaeger in, and Audemars, I mean Royal Oak, out!

[Verdi]

Originally Posted by Juan Luis

Vacheron is tops along with Patek, in my opinion. But, I would switch Jaeger in, and Audemars, I mean Royal Oak, out!

AP became a one-trick pony in the last 2 decades. All they sell and market is RO and the thousand variations of the model.
RO became the fancier Hublot, no offence to anyone.



I would probably put Lange next to VC and Patek nowadays.

[Juan Luis]

Originally Posted by Verdi

AP became a one-trick pony in the last 2 decades. All they sell and market is RO and the thousand variations of the model.
RO became the fancier Hublot, no offence to anyone.



I would probably put Lange next to VC and Patek nowadays.

I would too! But, I guess the fairly recent (in watch brand history), revival of Lange differs from other brands in the sense that they don't have holes or pauses in their history, so to speak.

[roxobox]

Originally Posted by Verdi

AP became a one-trick pony in the last 2 decades. All they sell and market is RO and the thousand variations of the model.
RO became the fancier Hublot, no offence to anyone.



I would probably put Lange next to VC and Patek nowadays.

From a design language sure the RO octagonal shape is pretty ubiquitous across their line.

They have the "concept" series, minute repeaters, the worlds thinnest perpetual calendar (the RD2) among other grande complications.

Just because they have a less diverse design language doesn't mean they are disqualified. They have a history of amazing movements, complications and "firsts" throughout horology.

Bulgari currently holds several world records for their "thinnest" movements all made in-house some of which are incredible engineering even beyond what some of the holy trinity have accomplished but no one would say Bulgari is part of the holy trinity, they're very very new to that game.

It's not just about a watch case shape. It's about history, contributions to horology and a few other factors like being independent and family owned (AP).

[Cabaiguan]

Originally Posted by Verdi

AP became a one-trick pony in the last 2 decades. All they sell and market is RO and the thousand variations of the model.

RO became the fancier Hublot, no offence to anyone.







I would probably put Lange next to VC and Patek nowadays.

Let me fix this for you...”Hublot became the poser RO”

Whatever you think of AP, their finishing and higher complications position them in the upper tier of watch makers.


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[othertbone]

Originally Posted by Verdi

AP became a one-trick pony in the last 2 decades. All they sell and market is RO and the thousand variations of the model.
RO became the fancier Hublot, no offence to anyone.



I would probably put Lange next to VC and Patek nowadays.

Hahahahaha thats why the Royal Oak trades well over list, with the blue dial at 50%+ over list, because it's a fancy Hublot? You can tell the desired models by their resale. Lange and VC depreciate 40% out the door, dogs!

[GoingPlaces]

Originally Posted by othertbone

Hahahahaha thats why the Royal Oak trades well over list, with the blue dial at 50%+ over list, because it's a fancy Hublot? You can tell the desired models by their resale. Lange and VC depreciate 40% out the door, dogs!

Dogs? Seriously? This is the first time anyone I can recall referred to ALS as a dog. Interesting choice of wording.

[baamvino]

Originally Posted by Juan Luis

Vacheron is tops along with Patek, in my opinion. But, I would switch Jaeger in, and Audemars, I mean Royal Oak, out!

AP...I mean RO is so overrated.

[mickyd329]

Originally Posted by baamvino

AP...I mean RO is so overrated.

You obviously haven't owned an RO.

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by mickyd329

You obviously haven't owned an RO.

And you’ve arrived at that conclusion how exactly?

[mickyd329]

Originally Posted by PJ S

And you’ve arrived at that conclusion how exactly?

Does it matter? He's seems to be Rolex only guy judging by his signature..

[DoraTheExplorerII]

Originally Posted by baamvino

AP...I mean RO is so overrated.

This is a true statement because the RO, as nice as it is, does not warrant a grey market premium or an AD waiting list (mostly caused by social media/influencers and lowered supply)

[Plastique999]

Originally Posted by Juan Luis

Vacheron is tops along with Patek, in my opinion. But, I would switch Jaeger in, and Audemars, I mean Royal Oak, out!

I would add JLC as well as their creation of over 1200 movements is incredible and they supplied movements to all 3 in the holy trinity.


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[Yaz]

Originally Posted by Juan Luis

Vacheron is tops along with Patek, in my opinion. But, I would switch Jaeger in, and Audemars, I mean Royal Oak, out!

VC is a niche for connaisseurs...
History, Legacy, Mastering horological craftmanship, Complications, Haute Horlogerie.
What can I add ?

[trfChris]

Why is this thread in the Rolex section?

[Mr.Rolex1]

Originally Posted by trfchris

why is this thread in the rolex section?

+1

[Pongster]

Originally Posted by Mr.Rolex1

+1

Because it would seem to me that for OP, Rolex (as well as Omega) has a better claim to be in the trinity.

To my mind, these labels take decades and even centuries to take shape. The fact that we all woke up to the notion that VC is in the trinity with PP and AP is the very proof in itself.

[othertbone]

Originally Posted by Luther89

I’d like to know why they are considered part of the holy trinity? I personally don’t understand it.

Thanks

Haha yep a dog in the holy trinity. I guess part of the criteria wasn't desirability!

[Syed117]

Originally Posted by othertbone

Haha yep a dog in the holy trinity. I guess part of the criteria wasn't desirability!

Another fantastic post. Keep it up!

[Cooper33]

Well, if I see a guy with a Rolex on the street I don't think anything of it. Just a guy and a Rolex, probably bought it to celebrate something but has no idea what its actually on his wrist (usually, a Sub).

If I see anyone with a VC, on the other hand, while the above may also be applicable (well, minus the Sub), my first reaction is to think that he knows about watches and has a discerning taste.

Change my mind.

[Syed117]

Originally Posted by Cooper33

Well, if I see a guy with a Rolex on the street I don't think anything of it. Just a guy and a Rolex, probably bought it to celebrate something but has no idea what its actually on his wrist (usually, a Sub).

If I see anyone with a VC, on the other hand, while the above may also be applicable (well, minus the sub), my first reaction is to think that he knows about watches and have a discerning taste.

Change my mind.

Rolex is the definitely the luxury watch for the guy who doesn't know anything about watches. It's part of what's driving the current market.

It's the default, most popular, easiest choice that requires next to no thought.

[Cooper33]

Originally Posted by Syed117

Rolex is the definitely the luxury watch for the guy who doesn't know anything about watches. It's part of what's driving the current market.

It's the default, most popular, easiest choice that requires next to no thought.

Exactly

[othertbone]

Originally Posted by Cooper33

Well, if I see a guy with a Rolex on the street I don't think anything of it. Just a guy and a Rolex, probably bought it to celebrate something but has no idea what its actually on his wrist (usually, a Sub).

If I see anyone with a VC, on the other hand, while the above may also be applicable (well, minus the Sub), my first reaction is to think that he knows about watches and has a discerning taste.

Change my mind.

The only thing I think about when I see a VC on a guys wrist is that he got hosed for 40% after purchase.

[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by othertbone

The only thing I think about when I see a VC on a guys wrist is that he got hosed for 40% after purchase.

I think there lies a sad current problem. A group of Rolex guys lately are all about resale, investment, yadda, yadda, and not about appreciating a watch for what it is.

I guess I am an idiot for buying a Cartier Santos, which I bought because I appreciate the heritage of being the very first wrist watch and because I love it. Never intend to sell it or any of my watches.