The all-new Land Rover Defender.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Looks terrible, IMO. Kia Soul knockoff.

lol c'mon buddy. not a disaster

[BisonHead]

Its horrendous. Looks like a Mini on steroids. Whats the plastic panel for on the side, looks mad.

Owned Land Rovers for many years, started with a Series IIa. Have a Defender 90 TD5. Its the mutts nuts. Love it to bits and don't think i would ever part with it.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by BisonHead

Its horrendous. Looks like a Mini on steroids.

I think you guys will make me save my money lol

[Dr. Robert]

Now it’s a jewel car not a tool car.

[Wesley Crusher]

Originally Posted by FTX I

lol c'mon buddy. not a disaster

I am seriously trying to think of a bigger automotive snafu in recent years and I just cannot come up with anything.

Mercedes, for example, did a great job with the new G Wagon. They kept the iconic styling, but managed it update it in many ways. I wish LR would have done something similar, even if it meant a starting price that is 20-30k more.

[GB-man]

I disagree, I think if anything it is the opposite. MB has turned the G wagon into a chariot for the rich and famous and refuses to offer one enthusiasts can take off road. For this reason likely less than 1/100 buyers ever venture off pavement. You need over 100k to step foot in one.

The defender can be had for 55k and with factory options such as steel wheels, rooftop tent, winch etc

Sure the styling is not a direct descendant but what they are offering seems far better than what I was expecting, which is the exact same thing with a starting price around 80k.

Anyone here own a discovery 5? I am wondering if this factory in Slovakia makes crap or not so bad lol

[Dr. Robert]

https://images.app.goo.gl/TCWgPWDCwZ5SKnrz9

G wagen, defender, land cruiser......all Now jewel cars not tool cars......Willy’s for me

[Wesley Crusher]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I disagree, I think if anything it is the opposite. MB has turned the G wagon into a chariot for the rich and famous and refuses to offer one enthusiasts can take off road. For this reason likely less than 1/100 buyers ever venture off pavement. You need over 100k to step foot in one.

The defender can be had for 55k and with factory options such as steel wheels, rooftop tent, winch etc

Sure the styling is not a direct descendant but what they are offering seems far better than what I was expecting, which is the exact same thing with a starting price around 80k.

Anyone here own a discovery 5? I am wondering if this factory in Slovakia makes crap or not so bad lol

Yea, but the G has been getting more and more lux over the past 15+ years. It wasn’t an all of a sudden kind of thing. And Benz does offer a stripped down version, the G Professional. Of course we don’t get it here in the states because we never get the cool cars and honestly, there’s probably no real market for it here.

The styling of the Defender is just so off putting for me, but that’s a very subjective thing so YMMV. I do like the steel wheels though lol.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

I am seriously trying to think of a bigger automotive snafu in recent years and I just cannot come up with anything.

I get it. Many prefer the '4 digit LR', some like me love the 5 digit, but the 6 digit is highly controversial lol. It's not a tool anymore just some jewelry on four wheels..

[beshannon]

The 2020 Land Rover Defender is here, and it looks good, but only if you avoid the short-wheelbase model with the “floating pillar” option. Because a vehicle equipped that way takes an element that helped the last Defender stand out as a truly iconic piece of design—its large, upright greenhouse—and covers it with a cheap-looking, enormous-blindspot-creating fake pillar. Just look at this silliness.

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-land-r...ill-1838033156



Empty Rolex display tray?

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by beshannon

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-land-r...ill-1838033156



Empty Rolex display tray?

OMG.. That doesn't look good at all...

[037]

I'm buying this one without a doubt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smampJ2MIhU

[Bob the brush]

I have a soft spot for Land Rovers having owned a swb series1, and a series 3 lwb Safari, on which I put about 100000 miles on in 15 years of ownership. I need to see this new incarnation in person, sit in it and drive it before I pass judgement, and it just so happens that I am thinking of changing my car in 2020, so, you never know, I may like it....... !

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Yea, but the G has been getting more and more lux over the past 15+ years. It wasn’t an all of a sudden kind of thing. And Benz does offer a stripped down version, the G Professional. Of course we don’t get it here in the states because we never get the cool cars and honestly, there’s probably no real market for it here.



The styling of the Defender is just so off putting for me, but that’s a very subjective thing so YMMV. I do like the steel wheels though lol.

I think the market for a 70k stripper g wagon is bigger than you think. Lots of well off people drive 50k+ wranglers with 20k in add ons.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

I am seriously trying to think of a bigger automotive snafu in recent years and I just cannot come up with anything.

Mercedes, for example, did a great job with the new G Wagon. They kept the iconic styling, but managed it update it in many ways. I wish LR would have done something similar, even if it meant a starting price that is 20-30k more.

while I kind of like the supra.

I think a lot of people might agree that the supra is as big, if not bigger.

[Jabbo84]

...does it come with a heated rear lift gate so your hands won’t get cold pushing it home??

[1st amg]

Oh boy. Hideous. When the whole car industry says it’s a flop....it’s a flop.


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[Mick8moses]

No thank you. Hard pass.


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[kulak]

The fake pillar is absolutely awful. It’s almost worse than the fake turbo diesel hood scoops and fake bead lock wheels Toyota is obsessed with in North America. The Tundra can even be had with double fake on fake scoops.

LR is trying too hard to look rugged.

[othertbone]

Wow thats cool

[swils8610]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I think the market for a 70k stripper g wagon is bigger than you think. Lots of well off people drive 50k+ wranglers with 20k in add ons.

Much agreed Tom...


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[dtwer]

The new style can't hold a candle to the original style, not even close. Tonka trucks look more manly than this thing.

[andyxxx]

I have not been without a Defender 90 for the last 25 years(I have had three.)

They are mightily flawed, yet I would not be without.

I think the new one looks great, though I wish they had kept more of the looks of the old one (in particular round headlamps and rear lights)
I have always preferred the 90, but the new shape 110 looks better to me, though the commercial 90 hardback, due next year looks good.

I doubt I will part with my old 90 but will definitely be looking at purchasing a new 90 or 110 in addition.

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I think the market for a 70k stripper g wagon is bigger than you think. Lots of well off people drive 50k+ wranglers with 20k in add ons.

I need a stripper g wagon

[tyler1980]

had high hopes... this one looks like a toyota FJ cruiser

Pass, and keep the full sized RR. I was worried i would need to have it. i dont

[andyxxx]

And just because nobody else has:

https://www.rolexforums.com/attachme...1&d=1568315074

[andyxxx]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

Pass, and keep the full sized RR. I was worried i would need to have it. i dont

I too have a FFRR.
JLR have not brought this car to market to compete with the FFRR, though I do realize a heavily specced 110 is crazy money.

[Andrés G]

No desire to own the new one at all and I have always been a fan. They shouldn't have messed with the aesthetics.

[Zoomerang]

It's a Land Rover.. pass

[timedate]

i have never wanted a land rover, and i still dont.