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frequentflyer · 1 October 2019, 03:19 PM

I’d wait.

Looking at the sales listings, I can see that asking prices are coming down and the number of bumps are increasing.

Also there’s lots of new sellers/flippers/chancers out there trying to make a quick buck.

I honestly think prices will come down within the next year as the economy is softening.

007_Omega · 1 October 2019, 03:56 PM

If money is not an issue, then just become a VIP at your local AD and get access to all the hard to get models. Just spend money on other models or jewelry and you will quickly become a preferred customer. Doesn't hurt to make them like you on a personal level as well.

Only people who should be going grey and paying massive premiums are those that really want a particular model and have little interest in getting anything else.

EDIT: To make it simple for you, check out the catalogue and see if you like any of the precious metal models. Just go to an AD and talk a bit and mention you'd be interesting in bundling the two models together. Any AD that doesn't agree isn't worth the time. They make huge money on selling PM models and they aren't easy to move. Also, it gives you VIP status because you show you can spend that amount of cash at once. Next time a hot model comes out, you shouldn't have too much trouble getting high up on the list.

grimlock525 · 1 October 2019, 04:38 PM

This thread is an oxymoron.

eijiboy · 1 October 2019, 04:44 PM

I say wait for it. Grey prices still going down. Back in july batman was selling 17-18k and now you can find one for less than 15k. And even at 15k its not flying off the shelf so that means people are still waiting.

Im talking about 126710 price not the 116710

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Seibei · 1 October 2019, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJTOSUB

Please talk me out of this craziness. I am seriously considering paying an outrageous gray price for a GMT Batman.

It would complete my land, sea, air and space collection.

Money is not an issue. But it’s hard to wrap my head around paying 150% of list or more for a watch. I could wait until an AD could get me one even if it took months or years.

But I want one.

Please talk me out of this craziness. Please.

Ok, I will talk you out of it. Have you considered the Hulk!?!?

jimcameron · 1 October 2019, 04:59 PM

"Money is not an issue"

But feeling that you got screwed is an issue regardless of how much $$ you have. Exert a little self control, and wait it out. Otherwise you will be haunted by what a sucker you were every time you put it on.

dcash0615 · 1 October 2019, 05:05 PM

If money is not an issue and you want it, buy it. Time is the valuable thing here. If you wait for the AD to call, who knows when or if that will happen.

joli160 · 1 October 2019, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimcameron

"Money is not an issue"

But feeling that you got screwed is an issue regardless of how much $$ you have. Exert a little self control, and wait it out. Otherwise you will be haunted by what a sucker you were every time you put it on.

How can you feel screwed or think of yourself as a sucker if you pay market value I don't understand ?
Kissing up an AD would give me that feeling

If I was in the market for a BLNR I would simply buy one. Life is too short to wait for an undefined period of time

The Libertine · 1 October 2019, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimcameron

"Money is not an issue"

But feeling that you got screwed is an issue regardless of how much $$ you have. Exert a little self control, and wait it out. Otherwise you will be haunted by what a sucker you were every time you put it on.

Absolutely agree.

Sandpit · 1 October 2019, 05:01 PM

I honestly believe that no piece is worth a premium. If you think it’s worth it then go for it.

Singslinger · 1 October 2019, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandpit

I honestly believe that no piece is worth a premium. If you think it’s worth it then go for it.

Same here. I refuse to pay a premium and feed the frenzy. However, that's me - if money is no object, then by all means.

djgallo · 2 October 2019, 01:04 AM

You could wait for an AD. to get one.....maybe they will....maybe not....

You could buy on the open market at the current price.....at least you will have it

Rolex is always raising prices...so what will this do to the Grey prices going forward?

If you buy Grey now the watch will be worth more or less down the road...nobody knows....

If you have the money and you really want the watch maybe you should buy it and don’t look back....I think thats what I would do. If you end up losing some money oh well...you can’t take it with you.

Littletommy · 2 October 2019, 06:08 AM

As Andy Griffith once told Aunt Bee...'Just Pay The Man'. Go grey and forget the wait!

cascavel · 1 October 2019, 05:08 PM

No, I won't talk you out of "this craziness". You want it, you need it and now you have my endorsement to buy it.

fskywalker · 2 October 2019, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cascavel

No, I won't talk you out of "this craziness". You want it, you need it and now you have my endorsement to buy it.

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importstunna · 1 October 2019, 06:23 PM

I would do it. I paid grey market prices recently with a BLRO and have not looked back. I never thought I would pay over retail, but that's today's market. Buy it and enjoy it.

exador · 1 October 2019, 07:10 PM

The BLNRs are steadily dropping in price. They’ll be $12k in 6 months’ time.

Oxfordian · 1 October 2019, 07:24 PM

Its your money, do what you want with it, if paying over the odds for the watch is something that you will feel comfortable with and will let you sleep at night then go-ahead fuel the grey market and buy the watch.

After all you won't feel bad about it will you, you won't regret spending that extra money on the watch, that extra money that could have taken you away on a nice break, that extra money that could have gone towards another watch, there's nothing to feel bad about is there? You will feel no guilt over all that extra money going out of the piggy bank on a new sparkly bauble to wear on your wrist, no guilt at all.

So you know what, if the watch is your dream and you have the money but no patience, feel free to spend that money on that lovely new watch. And when you have it on your wrist and you have posted the obligatory pictures on TRF you will be able to sit back and look at your second-hand watch and think of all the things that you could have done with that money if only you had mastered the art of patience.

Go and buy it, enjoy it and wear in good health, let's just hope that it's value doesn't drop as the market collapses.

Keyetty · 1 October 2019, 08:14 PM

Don’t do it. Visit you AD and explain. They are human. They know you won’t flip. You’ll be surprised how it can work to your advantage with patience.

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1William · 1 October 2019, 08:32 PM

Don't waste your time or money. The value of an item is what the market commands. I would talk to a couple of the big Grey dealers here on TRF and get the best deal possible and buy the watch. No one has a crystal ball and can tell how the market will change but it is not a loss unless you sell the watch for less than you paid. If you want it, get it. Wear it and enjoy it. Is that not worth something. Some how we have gotten into a mentality that you make money off watches and get to wear them also. That is correct on some watches but not most. I would get it today and have it delivered to my door by 1030 tomorrow morning. Post some incoming pictures and go about enjoying the watch and living my life. Just my thoughts. Good luck.

travisb · 1 October 2019, 09:02 PM

I'd wait. Feels a lot better to pay retail and no mark up.

brandrea · 1 October 2019, 09:29 PM

Everyone is different here and by now you’ve read every opinion from life’s too short, to don’t pay or MRSP.

There’s no right or wrong answer, only you will know what’s best for you.

It sounds to me like you might have regret paying gray, but maybe I read that into your post from my way of thinking. Now you know where I stand

AK797 · 1 October 2019, 09:31 PM

Forget the retail price, if you can afford anything at a price it was on sale for and you really wanted it, then it would be more crazy to pass on it.

locutus49 · 1 October 2019, 09:36 PM

To paraphrase the redoubtable rap artist Vanilla Ice, "Buy, buy baby."

Mystro · 1 October 2019, 09:40 PM

MSRP is meaningless even on a old common model these days. A new 2019 Baselworld super hot model and you are gonna pay-up or waist your life away in the mercy of your AD hoping he isn’t playing games with you. Is this a luxury purchase or not?

Buy it anywhere near around $15k USD and you won’t get hurt with the new BLNR. $17k and up outside the USA is what it’s bringing.
Regardless what the market does you’ll never get close to MSRP unless you get extremely lucky. I just went through this and have been following the new BLNR since release. The BLRO has shown the market will pay $17k-18k and the BLNR is $16k - $17k. It is what it is as the days of buying either of these two new GMT’s anywhere near MSRP are gone. It’s easier paying market value on a new hot model because it has the new movement and updated gorgeous Jubilee bracelet. I’m not a flipper but desirability for this particular watch is only going to climb in years as it looks unbelievable in real life but even wears more comfortable and thats not always a common trait.

Caddyshack’s famous Coke line rings true here for those that insist on only paying msrp.

The watch is a rock star.

drgoro · 1 October 2019, 09:53 PM

Dude, paying above MSRP for a Rolex is something I personally will not do. I’d rather buy AP and have a truly more sophisticated piece vs hype. But still even APs prices are creeping up. But hey, it’s your money.

Uggi · 1 October 2019, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drgoro

Dude, paying above MSRP for a Rolex is something I personally will not do. I’d rather buy AP and have a truly more sophisticated piece vs hype. But still even APs prices are creeping up. But hey, it’s your money.

You would not pay £1 over MSRP for a Daytona or Pepsi?
I just don't believe that is true. How about 1 pence?

Gold Crown · 1 October 2019, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJTOSUB

Please talk me out of this craziness. I am seriously considering paying an outrageous gray price for a GMT Batman.

It would complete my land, sea, air and space collection.

Money is not an issue. But it’s hard to wrap my head around paying 150% of list or more for a watch. I could wait until an AD could get me one even if it took months or years.

But I want one.

Please talk me out of this craziness. Please.

I can get you a 2tone rose gold Root Beer at AD retail from an AD. The watch is gorgeous. I think it’s around $15K. PM me.

Gold Crown · 1 October 2019, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJTOSUB

Please talk me out of this craziness. I am seriously considering paying an outrageous gray price for a GMT Batman.

It would complete my land, sea, air and space collection.

Money is not an issue. But it’s hard to wrap my head around paying 150% of list or more for a watch. I could wait until an AD could get me one even if it took months or years.

But I want one.

Please talk me out of this craziness. Please.

I can get you a 2tone rose gold Root Beer at AD retail from an AD. The watch is gorgeous. I think it’s around $15K. PM me.

Crazy Lugs · 1 October 2019, 10:22 PM

I prefer my name on the card and peace of mind knowing the true provenance of the watch.

1 October 2019, 04:44 PM	#4
eijiboy Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: everywhere Posts: 849	Please talk me out of this craziness... I say wait for it. Grey prices still going down. Back in july batman was selling 17-18k and now you can find one for less than 15k. And even at 15k its not flying off the shelf so that means people are still waiting. Im talking about 126710 price not the 116710 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

1 October 2019, 05:05 PM	#7
dcash0615 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Dave Location: CA Watch: es Posts: 4,395	If money is not an issue and you want it, buy it. Time is the valuable thing here. If you wait for the AD to call, who knows when or if that will happen. __________________ Instagram @dcash0615 2FA security active

1 October 2019, 07:24 PM	#18
Oxfordian "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Real Name: Martin Location: England Watch: Sea Dweller Posts: 3,117	Its your money, do what you want with it, if paying over the odds for the watch is something that you will feel comfortable with and will let you sleep at night then go-ahead fuel the grey market and buy the watch. After all you won't feel bad about it will you, you won't regret spending that extra money on the watch, that extra money that could have taken you away on a nice break, that extra money that could have gone towards another watch, there's nothing to feel bad about is there? You will feel no guilt over all that extra money going out of the piggy bank on a new sparkly bauble to wear on your wrist, no guilt at all. So you know what, if the watch is your dream and you have the money but no patience, feel free to spend that money on that lovely new watch. And when you have it on your wrist and you have posted the obligatory pictures on TRF you will be able to sit back and look at your second-hand watch and think of all the things that you could have done with that money if only you had mastered the art of patience. Go and buy it, enjoy it and wear in good health, let's just hope that it's value doesn't drop as the market collapses. __________________ Martin Small Rolex, Omega, Seiko and Oris Collection

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1 October 2019, 03:19 PM	#1
frequentflyer "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: UAE Watch: GMT IIc, 16750 Posts: 286	I’d wait. Looking at the sales listings, I can see that asking prices are coming down and the number of bumps are increasing. Also there’s lots of new sellers/flippers/chancers out there trying to make a quick buck. I honestly think prices will come down within the next year as the economy is softening.

1 October 2019, 03:56 PM	#2
007_Omega "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Galaxy Watch: Explorer Posts: 905	If money is not an issue, then just become a VIP at your local AD and get access to all the hard to get models. Just spend money on other models or jewelry and you will quickly become a preferred customer. Doesn't hurt to make them like you on a personal level as well. Only people who should be going grey and paying massive premiums are those that really want a particular model and have little interest in getting anything else. EDIT: To make it simple for you, check out the catalogue and see if you like any of the precious metal models. Just go to an AD and talk a bit and mention you'd be interesting in bundling the two models together. Any AD that doesn't agree isn't worth the time. They make huge money on selling PM models and they aren't easy to move. Also, it gives you VIP status because you show you can spend that amount of cash at once. Next time a hot model comes out, you shouldn't have too much trouble getting high up on the list.

1 October 2019, 04:38 PM	#3
grimlock525 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: West Coast Posts: 88	This thread is an oxymoron.

1 October 2019, 04:59 PM	#6
jimcameron "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: ByDawns Earlylite Watch: 16800 Posts: 3,580	"Money is not an issue" But feeling that you got screwed is an issue regardless of how much $$ you have. Exert a little self control, and wait it out. Otherwise you will be haunted by what a sucker you were every time you put it on.

1 October 2019, 05:01 PM	#10
Sandpit "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Middle East Posts: 1,808	I honestly believe that no piece is worth a premium. If you think it’s worth it then go for it.

2 October 2019, 01:04 AM	#12
djgallo Banned Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Eastwest Posts: 1,322	You could wait for an AD. to get one.....maybe they will....maybe not.... You could buy on the open market at the current price.....at least you will have it Rolex is always raising prices...so what will this do to the Grey prices going forward? If you buy Grey now the watch will be worth more or less down the road...nobody knows.... If you have the money and you really want the watch maybe you should buy it and don’t look back....I think thats what I would do. If you end up losing some money oh well...you can’t take it with you.

2 October 2019, 06:08 AM	#13
Littletommy 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Mayor Vaughn Location: Shark City, FL Posts: 475	As Andy Griffith once told Aunt Bee...'Just Pay The Man'. Go grey and forget the wait!

1 October 2019, 05:08 PM	#14
cascavel 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Santa Fe Posts: 1,899	No, I won't talk you out of "this craziness". You want it, you need it and now you have my endorsement to buy it.

1 October 2019, 06:23 PM	#16
importstunna "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: World Watch: BLNR Posts: 855	I would do it. I paid grey market prices recently with a BLRO and have not looked back. I never thought I would pay over retail, but that's today's market. Buy it and enjoy it.

1 October 2019, 07:10 PM	#17
exador Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: NZ Posts: 2,600	The BLNRs are steadily dropping in price. They’ll be $12k in 6 months’ time.

1 October 2019, 08:14 PM	#19
Keyetty "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Japan Watch: DJ36 126233 Posts: 77	Don’t do it. Visit you AD and explain. They are human. They know you won’t flip. You’ll be surprised how it can work to your advantage with patience. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

1 October 2019, 08:32 PM	#20
1William 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 47,787	Don't waste your time or money. The value of an item is what the market commands. I would talk to a couple of the big Grey dealers here on TRF and get the best deal possible and buy the watch. No one has a crystal ball and can tell how the market will change but it is not a loss unless you sell the watch for less than you paid. If you want it, get it. Wear it and enjoy it. Is that not worth something. Some how we have gotten into a mentality that you make money off watches and get to wear them also. That is correct on some watches but not most. I would get it today and have it delivered to my door by 1030 tomorrow morning. Post some incoming pictures and go about enjoying the watch and living my life. Just my thoughts. Good luck.

1 October 2019, 09:02 PM	#21
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,493	I'd wait. Feels a lot better to pay retail and no mark up.

1 October 2019, 09:29 PM	#22
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 78,129	Everyone is different here and by now you’ve read every opinion from life’s too short, to don’t pay or MRSP. There’s no right or wrong answer, only you will know what’s best for you. It sounds to me like you might have regret paying gray, but maybe I read that into your post from my way of thinking. Now you know where I stand

1 October 2019, 09:31 PM	#23
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	Forget the retail price, if you can afford anything at a price it was on sale for and you really wanted it, then it would be more crazy to pass on it.

1 October 2019, 09:36 PM	#24
locutus49 Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: John Location: La Jolla, CA Watch: Platona Posts: 12,194	To paraphrase the redoubtable rap artist Vanilla Ice, "Buy, buy baby."

1 October 2019, 09:40 PM	#25
Mystro 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: The Mystro ;) Location: Central Pa. Posts: 15,514	MSRP is meaningless even on a old common model these days. A new 2019 Baselworld super hot model and you are gonna pay-up or waist your life away in the mercy of your AD hoping he isn’t playing games with you. Is this a luxury purchase or not? Buy it anywhere near around $15k USD and you won’t get hurt with the new BLNR. $17k and up outside the USA is what it’s bringing. Regardless what the market does you’ll never get close to MSRP unless you get extremely lucky. I just went through this and have been following the new BLNR since release. The BLRO has shown the market will pay $17k-18k and the BLNR is $16k - $17k. It is what it is as the days of buying either of these two new GMT’s anywhere near MSRP are gone. It’s easier paying market value on a new hot model because it has the new movement and updated gorgeous Jubilee bracelet. I’m not a flipper but desirability for this particular watch is only going to climb in years as it looks unbelievable in real life but even wears more comfortable and thats not always a common trait. Caddyshack’s famous Coke line rings true here for those that insist on only paying msrp. The watch is a rock star.

1 October 2019, 09:53 PM	#26
drgoro "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Virginia Posts: 816	Dude, paying above MSRP for a Rolex is something I personally will not do. I’d rather buy AP and have a truly more sophisticated piece vs hype. But still even APs prices are creeping up. But hey, it’s your money.

1 October 2019, 10:22 PM	#30
Crazy Lugs "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: USA Posts: 855	I prefer my name on the card and peace of mind knowing the true provenance of the watch.

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