Do I hold out for AP dream or take the VC?

[arnage]

I wear the VCO much more frequently than the RO. It feels a bit more "robust" for everyday use, and can be mounted on the rubber strap. It's also less likely to attract unwanted attention, which has become an unfortunate concern these days.

[Reign]

Wait for the AP, VC is a compromise.

Inferior bracelet and movement

[sigma089]

I agree with the previous poster, compromises don't make sense with watches.

[Benzsiam]

Don't settle for second choice, if you preferred RO, you should wait for that one.

[Chute]

Originally Posted by Reign

Wait for the AP, VC is a compromise.

Inferior bracelet and movement

Gotta disagree with you here.

The VC bracelet has two micro adjustments and is easy to swap out straps.
If you look closely at the brushed finish on the VC, it’s almost impossible how they get the same texture to cover the links and the indentation.

Sure the APRO bracelet is more shiny, but IMHO, the VC bracelet is superior I
in many ways. Even the screws that are visible are only visible on one side so the side facing outward shows no screw holes. Plus the screws, when removed are attached to the shaft with a spring so you don’t lose the tiny screws.

The VC movement is a Geneva seal movement and is much more highly finished than the movement in the 15400/15500 movements. The only downside is it doesn’t hack, but at least it beats at 8 beats per second unlike the 15400 at 6bps.

[ExplorerI]

Originally Posted by Chute

Gotta disagree with you here.

The VC bracelet has two micro adjustments and is easy to swap out straps.
If you look closely at the brushed finish on the VC, it’s almost impossible how they get the same texture to cover the links and the indentation.

Sure the APRO bracelet is more shiny, but IMHO, the VC bracelet is superior I
in many ways. Even the screws that are visible are only visible on one side so the side facing outward shows no screw holes. Plus the screws, when removed are attached to the shaft with a spring so you don’t lose the tiny screws.

The VC movement is a Geneva seal movement and is much more highly finished than the movement in the 15400/15500 movements. The only downside is it doesn’t hack, but at least it beats at 8 beats per second unlike the 15400 at 6bps.

Yeah no way I’d say the Overseas is worse finished. They are a great value for what you’re getting they just don’t have the hype of the RO

[Champagnepapi]

Originally Posted by Chute

Gotta disagree with you here.

The VC bracelet has two micro adjustments and is easy to swap out straps.
If you look closely at the brushed finish on the VC, it’s almost impossible how they get the same texture to cover the links and the indentation.

Sure the APRO bracelet is more shiny, but IMHO, the VC bracelet is superior I
in many ways. Even the screws that are visible are only visible on one side so the side facing outward shows no screw holes. Plus the screws, when removed are attached to the shaft with a spring so you don’t lose the tiny screws.

The VC movement is a Geneva seal movement and is much more highly finished than the movement in the 15400/15500 movements. The only downside is it doesn’t hack, but at least it beats at 8 beats per second unlike the 15400 at 6bps.

I LOVE VC but I gotta disagree with you. I don’t think the VC bracelet is superior to the RO. Yes, VC might have an easy strap swap system. But the RO bracelet takes between 9-11 hours of hand finishing (just for the bracelet alone). The way the bracelet hugs the wrist and shimmers in the light, is unbeatable imo. At the end of the day, it depends if you like the brushed or the shiny bracelet finishing.

As for the Geneva seal- most of the top watch brands don’t carry the Geneva seal anymore (Patek for example, has their own quality seal since 2009). Patek stopped submitting their watches to the bureau because they claimed the Geneva seal defined only the minimum quality level for a mechanical watch. As for the AP and VC movement finishing - you might be right about it (just for that specific model) but I’m not quite convinced.

However- VC lacking a hacking function? That’s a bigger issue imo. A watch of that level and price, should be able to hack. The 15500 movement frequency is 4 hz 28,800 vph = same as the VC overseas he is considering.

Power reserve? RO wins.
Thickness? RO wins.
Water resistance - VC wins.


I would buy whichever I felt I wanted more. Otherwise it would feel like a compromise to me.


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[CactusTreeFiddy]

Originally Posted by Champagnepapi

I LOVE VC but I gotta disagree with you. I don’t think the VC bracelet is superior to the RO. Yes, VC might have an easy strap swap system. But the RO bracelet takes between 9-11 hours of hand finishing (just for the bracelet alone). The way the bracelet hugs the wrist and shimmers in the light, is unbeatable imo. At the end of the day, it depends if you like the brushed or the shiny bracelet finishing.

As for the Geneva seal- most of the top watch brands don’t carry the Geneva seal anymore (Patek for example, has their own quality seal since 2009). Patek stopped submitting their watches to the bureau because they claimed the Geneva seal defined only the minimum quality level for a mechanical watch. As for the AP and VC movement finishing - you might be right about it (just for that specific model) but I’m not quite convinced.

However- VC lacking a hacking function? That’s a bigger issue imo. A watch of that level and price, should be able to hack. The 15500 movement frequency is 4 hz 28,800 vph = same as the VC overseas he is considering.

Power reserve? RO wins.
Thickness? RO wins.
Water resistance - VC wins.


I would buy whichever I felt I wanted more. Otherwise it would feel like a compromise to me.


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Always love comparing the RO with the VCO, I bet a load of us here have done the same!

I agree in that the Geneva Seal doesn't hold much weight, but spending time with both, I honestly feel the VCO movement is a MUCH higher quality than the RO. I mean, check out the repertoire of movements VC has in their collection, they're jaw-dropping... Compared with the borrowed chronos and vauches of AP. Clear winner here imo

As for the case and bracelet, the VCO is really intricate with things like the curved case flanks, the dimensionality in the design of the bracelet links, I love everything about it. BUT the straight edges on the RO lend to the ridiculous finish they possess, and I think together they make it pop in a way literally no other sports model can do. It's the original and classic design too, literally the best out there. If this is what you value most, nobody can be blamed for ranking the RO as #1

As for the lack of hacking seconds, I've never set the second hand on my RO, and never plan to

[mickyd329]

All valid points for both RO and VCO. I think we are splitting hairs when we talk about finishing and quality differences of both. At the end of the day, I got bored with my VCO even with the blue dial and move on from it. It's all subjective though. Some will like the qualities of the VCO over the RO and vice versa. For me, the RO checks all the qualities I want in a high end watch.

[VogelPhoenix]

Preparing for boos and hissing from the VC crowd, but holding the white dial Overseas it felt like a really, really high quality Datejust - same category, just much nicer. The RO to me feels like something entirely different.

OP should get the watch he really wants, or be prepared to pay up later.

[theflywrist]

If it is the AP that you truly desire, I would undoubtedly wait for it personally.
I'd rather take a "chance" and get what I really want, rather than settle(even if it means I may not end up getting the former).
I only say this since you refer to AP as your dream, and assuming that it is your preference.

[fareplay]

Update on the AP visit for those curious:

1. I turned down the VC. I don’t have unlimited money and only want 1 this year.

2. Went to AP had a good time (the SA was courteous and the entire team there is nice).

3. Things are getting easier; not easy but easier.

I don’t know what the combination of these mean but I can wait, it’s not like not having it will ruin anything, it’s just a really nice to have.


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[fareplay]

Don’t know how I can edit with Tapatalk but adding music watch to list of desires but prob won’t gets.


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[GW44]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

Preparing for boos and hissing from the VC crowd, but holding the white dial Overseas it felt like a really, really high quality Datejust - same category, just much nicer. The RO to me feels like something entirely different.

OP should get the watch he really wants, or be prepared to pay up later.

Completely agree with this analogy.

VC = Richemont (no thank you as a result......)

[huncho]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

Preparing for boos and hissing from the VC crowd, but holding the white dial Overseas it felt like a really, really high quality Datejust - same category, just much nicer. The RO to me feels like something entirely different.

OP should get the watch he really wants, or be prepared to pay up later.

ROs are imo the perfect combination of a high class watch and jewelry. i think rolex does the jewelry part well too, you can spot one from a mile away because of the glow/bling