My Issues with 12 Series Subs

[Lol-x]

41 & 21 is the golden size and proportion.

You can't argue with the judge....

[DoctorSpazz]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

41 & 21 is the golden size and proportion.

You can't argue with the judge....

My box of 20 mm watch straps says different


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[cascadez71]

Originally Posted by DoctorSpazz

Why would you prefer a movement with a smaller power reserve?


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Reliability. 32xx series seems to be not only require substantially early service (repair? part replacement?) but new models still seem to demonstrate very inconsistent and occasionally poor readings on timeographers. I have hope they will magically fix this with a million movements being cranked out year after year, but I am starting to think a 33xx based off a newer Tudor movement may be the only real "fix".

[cascadez71]

Clasp length seems to be the same between 11 and 12. I think it is a visual thing because of increased width and slimmed lugs together making the clasp seem substantially bigger.

Side note for those with small wrists: The 11 series has only 3 non-removable links on each side while the 12 has 3 on 6 oclock and 4 on 12 oclock.

[Lesnerelli23]

I will jump on every single 12 v 11 thread I see on TRF to say 11 is my all time favorite.

It’s unique and that makes me appreciate it very much! No mistaking it for an Invicta Pro Diver.


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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by DoctorSpazz

Is it really the same length though as the 11 series?

Yep




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[DoctorSpazz]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Yep




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Wow that 1mm width does a number


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[Kenny G]

It’s really splitting hairs between the two as it’s literally a matter of 1-2mm here or there.

I prefer the 11. The 12 is just as chunky overall with an even wider bracelet and clasp. The lugs were only thinned by hollowing out the insides more and adding a wider bracelet. The overall width is no slimmer and the case is slightly larger.

I would get a 5 digit if I wanted a slimmer case and profile but there’s nothing wrong with the 12. It’s a matter of preference..

[Greg.A]

Originally Posted by jamesgames

The lug to lug on the case between the GMT 126710 and the 41 Sub is the same basically. The 40 vs 41 measurement is actually 40.3 for the GMT so it gets rounded down to a 40mm, and the 41mm measurement on the sub is actually 40.6mm and rounded up to 41mm.

Basically the difference is very small.

Facts..but people gets mislead

[train-time]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Yep




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Thanks Brian! Can't dispute the evidence. Now I need to whine at my AD to deliver me a 12 series and call it a day!

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by train-time

Thanks Brian! Can't dispute the evidence. Now I need to whine at my AD to deliver me a 12 series and call it a day!

Good luck, I hope you land one soon


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[PepsiBezel]

Originally Posted by Kenny G

It’s really splitting hairs between the two as it’s literally a matter of 1-2mm here or there.

I prefer the 11. The 12 is just as chunky overall with an even wider bracelet and clasp. The lugs were only thinned by hollowing out the insides more and adding a wider bracelet. The overall width is no slimmer and the case is slightly larger.

I would get a 5 digit if I wanted a slimmer case and profile but there’s nothing wrong with the 12. It’s a matter of preference..

This is not accurate.

The lugs on the 12XXXX are about 1.1mm thinner when measured across the outer edges of the lugs, plus the 1mm thinner when measured across the inner lugs.



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[Easy E]

Originally Posted by DoctorSpazz

Why would you prefer a movement with a smaller power reserve?


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There is another thread you should check out.

[cascadez71]

Originally Posted by train-time

Thanks Brian! Can't dispute the evidence. Now I need to whine at my AD to deliver me a 12 series and call it a day!

They are fantastically comfortable. Grey prices are dropping steadily.

[Henrimontgomery]

Originally Posted by slide13

The clasp got slightly wider. It didn't get any longer. It's a tiny difference from the 11 series IMO.

Now, I wouldn't have minded a stronger taper either, but I do feel the current version has a very nice balance to it, both in feel and aesthetics.

I owned an 114060 in the past and didn't care for it because of it's proportions with regards to the case. Now wearing a 126610 and absolutely love it, fixed all my problems with the 11 series.

Now if only they'd bring back case chamfers and lug holes.....one can dream :)

Agreed with the taper. I wish it was more tight at the end, like the 11 series. This one feels more like the other brands taper which seems like they couldn’t commit to straight or taper and went midway.

My real issue with 12x and ceramic subs in general is the back case, which makes the watch float above the wrist. My 126710GRNR doesn’t do that and sits way more flush on the wrist. Because of how similar they can look, I’m thinking about letting the sub go.

[Osmin]

The 124060 is perfect. Way better than the 114060.
This of course is very subjective. I also had the 14060M.
This is the best submariner. Yet. ;)

P.S. Yes, the clasp could be a bit shorter for my taste, but I love the Glidelock

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by PepsiBezel

This is not accurate.

The lugs on the 12XXXX are about 1.1mm thinner when measured across the outer edges of the lugs, plus the 1mm thinner when measured across the inner lugs.

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I'd love the same measurements for the 11 and 12 series GMT.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by Roddypeepa

harking back to 5 digits and the case leaves a lot to be desired.

The 16610 case was fine, the bracelet and clasp were rubbish.

It's not moaning, it's a discussion of differences of opinion and perception.

My perfection point is the 116610LV. I don't particularly like the 1 series or the 12 series. I don't care or judge others by what they like, dislike, choose to spend their money on, or their willingness to discuss it in a discussion forum.